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2009-07-07 2:24 PM

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Subject: Swimming issues - swallowing water!!
Hello everyone,
Being new to tri's especially the running and swimming.
A question about swimming. When training in the pool,
the lifeguard who is a triathlete gave me some tips.
She said to swim looking down at the pool bottom, I tend
to look more forward, which she says slows me down.
The problem is when I swim facing down and rotate to the
left to breathe some water seems to get into my mouth.
Which really puts me off my stroke. It feels like it comes
through my nose into the back of my throat. At least that
is the sensation. Has anyone else had this problem and
how did you resolve it?
Thanks for any advice in advance.
Dave


2009-07-07 2:31 PM
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I'm having the exact same problem!!!

Everyone I talk to keeps telling me "just practice and it will stop"

**hopes there are more helpful answers here!**
2009-07-07 2:32 PM
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I'm no swim expert, but are you rotating enough?  Are you rotating your head too late?

I just started using a coach.  They can tell you the little things that can make a huge differenece.
2009-07-07 2:37 PM
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Looking down forces you to lower your head position in the water, which is good for moving your center of balance forward, which in turn raises your legs in the water. Often I instruct beginning or novice swimmers to exaggerate the 'heads down' position in the water to feel how it helps bring the legs up and improves your balance in the water. I think the Total Immersion term for this is 'down hill swimming'.

This can make it difficult to breath, as you've discovered, especially if your shoulders remain square as you execute your arm stroke. (By square, I mean perpindicular to your direction of motion). Make sure that as your arm recovers and you reach that your shoulders roll with the reach. As you turn to breath, toward your 'back' shoulder, there is a natural wake between your shoulder and head that helps you breath. Plus the natural roll of your body helps position your head for a breath.

Make sure you exhale when your face is in the water, and inhale only when you turn to breath, this prevents you from wasting time trying to exhale/inhale as you turn your head.

While not a big proponent of TI, I do know that many of the beginning drills are good for developing a feel for body position, shoulder roll, and breathing. Might be worth looking into.

Note that for many swimmers as they progress in their technique often adjust head angle and look more forward, with the water cresting just above the top of your goggles. Most of the master swimmers I swim with look more forward.
2009-07-07 2:38 PM
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it may be residual water in your nose and once you rotate, it seeps in...

try expelling thru both nose and mouth underwater to rid the water so you have a clear breath on your rotation...

im no expert either
2009-07-07 2:42 PM
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halfpint - 2009-07-07 3:38 PM it may be residual water in your nose and once you rotate, it seeps in...

try expelling thru both nose and mouth underwater to rid the water so you have a clear breath on your rotation...

im no expert either



That is one thing I have noticed.  I have NO IDEA if this is "propper technique" or not, but when I swim, I'm focussing on blowing out evenly through 3 strokes, and right before my 4th (breath) stroke, I switch to finishing all the air out my nose, then turn and breathe in through my mouth...  It's hard to do, but it does help.

(I hope that makes sense, I'm VERY new to swimming, so I don't have all the terms down yet)


2009-07-07 2:42 PM
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the reason she told you to look down is so you are balanced in the water.

IMO, until you are well balanced, swimming is going to be tough to learn and you will encounter problems such as the one you descibe.

I suggest working on your balance only.  dont even swim.  just find that sweet spot where you are completely at ease in the water.  you can do this on your back.  than move on to your belly....

when you got that down, just kick down the length of the pool on your back and your belly with your arms to your side.  try and feel at ease.

once you get a good feel for this, rotating to breath will be much easier for you and you wont be drinking half the pool.

of course, this is just what has worked for me...I am no swim expert by any means...
2009-07-07 2:49 PM
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humming when your face is in the water creates a positive pressure in your sinus cavity which helps keep water out. that's how I teach kids to do flip turns without holding their nose, which they often try to do.
2009-07-07 6:37 PM
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I had this same problem when i first started swimming for tris.  I noticed it went away naturally as i got more comfortable in the water, better balance, better at breathing. 
2009-07-07 9:47 PM
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econway - 2009-07-07 2:37 PM Looking down forces you to lower your head position in the water, which is good for moving your center of balance forward, which in turn raises your legs in the water. Often I instruct beginning or novice swimmers to exaggerate the 'heads down' position in the water to feel how it helps bring the legs up and improves your balance in the water. I think the Total Immersion term for this is 'down hill swimming'. This can make it difficult to breath, as you've discovered, especially if your shoulders remain square as you execute your arm stroke. (By square, I mean perpindicular to your direction of motion). Make sure that as your arm recovers and you reach that your shoulders roll with the reach. As you turn to breath, toward your 'back' shoulder, there is a natural wake between your shoulder and head that helps you breath. Plus the natural roll of your body helps position your head for a breath. Make sure you exhale when your face is in the water, and inhale only when you turn to breath, this prevents you from wasting time trying to exhale/inhale as you turn your head. While not a big proponent of TI, I do know that many of the beginning drills are good for developing a feel for body position, shoulder roll, and breathing. Might be worth looking into. Note that for many swimmers as they progress in their technique often adjust head angle and look more forward, with the water cresting just above the top of your goggles. Most of the master swimmers I swim with look more forward.



I found a great way to get the feel for face down, legs up is swimming with a leg buoy (pull buoy).  (Basically two foam pieces strapped together that go between your legs to allow your legs to float and forcing all the swim motion to come from your arms)  Using the buoy really pulls your legs up and allows you to focus on shoulder rotation and breathing. ( I use it  to try to get back into reciprocal breathing after being a one sided breather)

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I tried to use the leg bouy thing (sp???), it kept flipping me over....maybe my rotations are too far.


Or maybe I'm just a crappy swimmer :-p


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I was doing this, and I found out I wasn't stretching my arm stroke as far out on my breath. Make sure that you really stretch your opposite arm out as far when you breath. I breath on my left side, so it's my right arm I was "short stroking".
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2009-07-07 10:13 PM
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I had a very similar problem.  I found that I just wasn't breathing out right.  I had to make sure that I was exhaling while I brought my head up for air.  If I didn't focus on pushing out that last little bit of breath and water on the tip of my nose as I rotated to breath, I would inhale a bit of water.
2009-07-08 7:39 AM
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Subject: RE: Swimming issues - swallowing water!!
Thanks for all the replies and helpful hints. I really appreciate it!
I'm sure I'll get to that "feeling of calm" in the water eventually!
Once I have mastered the breathing, hopefully the rest will fall
into place.
I'm sure I'm doing something not quite right! My brother-in-law
who is a good swimmer told me to breathe normally, and not to
hold your breath. But I found it awkward doing that, so I breathe
out through my nose as I start to rotate. I practically snort all the
air out just before my nose reaches the surface, then I breathe
in as much as I can through my mouth before it rotates back into
the water.
I'll keep working on it. Thanks again...
2009-07-08 12:14 PM
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I was going to say that if you are having trouble breathing, I suspect your body isn't rotating enough.  There's a drill set that you can work on where you swim three strokes and kick on your side for 10 kicks (or 20 or however many you really want).  Then you swim three more strokes and you kick on your other side for 10 kicks.  This might help your body rotation, and in effect, your breathing. 

The paddles also help me with regards to reaching out with my hands as they enter the water.  This activity helps body roatation as well. 


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