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2010-04-20 10:05 AM

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Don't you touch my salt sucka!

Funny to me, regulate salt intake but smoking is still legal. 


2010-04-20 10:34 AM
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I hope they choose to regulate it. I cook many things fresh but there are a lot of times I will not get something in the store after looking at its health information and everything is great until I get to the sodium and it is sky high. Not to mention all the health problems that go with it.
2010-04-20 10:34 AM
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Well if the Fed. Govt. is going to take on the responsibility for paying health care and its in the good of the public welfare they should.

I don't know why they don't pass laws that every restaurant should  have calories and nutritional info on the menu as well as have a registered dietician on staff to approve of someone's order based on their weight and lifestyle.

If it would save just one life wouldn't it be worth it.

I just don't understand why people should have to think for themselves or take responsibility for their actions, seem so un-american.

 ETA, why not charge parents with overweight children with child endangerment?



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2010-04-20 10:39 AM
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I love where the spokesman for the Salt Institute (didn't know that existed) said that regulation would be "a disaster for the public". Really, a disaster?

Reinforces what I already knew and do--eat less processed food.

2010-04-20 10:54 AM
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Wonder what will happen to the economy in Salt Lake City if this happens? 

2010-04-20 10:56 AM
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Really?  We are too stupid to make decisions for ourselves?  We need to government to do it for us?  This is just getting really out of hand.  If there is a need for low sodium product, the market will produce it.  Look in your store now and there are plenty of low sodium things out there.  

I LOVE salt.  Why should I have to get what I want taken away by the government?  I'm healthy, I'm active and I'm not stupid.  We do not need any more of a nanny state then we already have.

 


2010-04-20 10:56 AM
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Personally, I think it's a good idea.  People get way too much salt in their diet.
2010-04-20 10:58 AM
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Why would the FDA have to regulate something when all people have to do is not buy/eat them? 
FDA has enough to do for crying out loud.  Don't get me started - I am currently taking courses in drug regulations.  Insane.

2010-04-20 11:29 AM
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Unless they're planning on eliminating salt shakers in all restaurants & homes, this isn't going to accomplish anything.
2010-04-20 11:30 AM
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I am not a big fan of the FDA - and a lot of mrs gearboy's job is spent making sure that the company is in compliance with the relevant regulations.  But to say that "the marketplace will solve the problem" is laughable.  The marketplace CREATED the problem.  At one time, salt was hard to come by in our diets.  It was difficult to get it from where it occured to where people lived.  That's why it was as good as gold as a currency, and why we refer to someone as "the salt of the earth".  Now it is cheap.  We evolved to take advantage of certain things in our diets that helped us in times of uncertainty (fatty tastes, salty tastes).  If I want to sell more of my product, a little salt goes a long way in enhancing the taste and mouth-feel.  And I seriously doubt that a food producer wants to see us use less of their products. 

Knowing that salt plays a role in cardiovascular risks (which will be invisible to the person - I can't "feel" my hypertension), I think some monitoring or regulation is in order.  We require food to have labels already. We require food to be inspected for the ways it is produced. Are those examples of a "nanny state"? At one point do you draw the line between name calling and reasonable monitoring for the public good?
2010-04-20 11:31 AM
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JBrashear - 2010-04-20 9:29 AM Unless they're planning on eliminating salt shakers in all restaurants & homes, this isn't going to accomplish anything.

One of the things they could do would be to put an excessive tax on it so that the cost of salt would be prohibitive to use except for all but the wealthiest, kind of like what they do with tobacco now.



2010-04-20 11:45 AM
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This is ridiculous.  Salt isn't an issue for people without health problems.  If you have health problems requiring the restriction of salt, you can choose foods lower in salt for yourself.
2010-04-20 11:51 AM
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Y'know, sodium, unlike, oh, I dunno, tobacco, is actually an essential mineral for the human body. I think the problem here is not so much that we stupid indiscriminate face-stuffers need to be told what to do, rather it is that food and beverage companies don't really put much thought in how to make some taste good without adding extra salt.

It's better to stay away from processed foods, but I don't really see a problem with getting F&B companies to do a better job with the recipes they use. Don't they do something similar with trans fats?

2010-04-20 11:52 AM
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crusevegas - 2010-04-20 12:31 PM

JBrashear - 2010-04-20 9:29 AM Unless they're planning on eliminating salt shakers in all restaurants & homes, this isn't going to accomplish anything.

One of the things they could do would be to put an excessive tax on it so that the cost of salt would be prohibitive to use except for all but the wealthiest, kind of like what they do with tobacco now.



yeah, because no poor people smoke...
2010-04-20 11:53 AM
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crusevegas - 2010-04-20 12:31 PM

One of the things they could do would be to put an excessive tax on it so that the cost of salt would be prohibitive to use except for all but the wealthiest, kind of like what they do with tobacco now.

 

That's awesome! I was fooled into thinking that homeless dude who was smoking was poor, but now I see he must be one of our wealthiest citizens!

2010-04-20 12:44 PM
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condorman - 2010-04-20 8:54 AM

Wonder what will happen to the economy in Salt Lake City if this happens? 



Think they should drain the Salt Lake.  Could be used like another Bonneville salt flat.Wink 


2010-04-20 1:22 PM
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crusevegas - 2010-04-20 12:31 PM

JBrashear - 2010-04-20 9:29 AM Unless they're planning on eliminating salt shakers in all restaurants & homes, this isn't going to accomplish anything.

One of the things they could do would be to put an excessive tax on it so that the cost of salt would be prohibitive to use except for all but the wealthiest, kind of like what they do with tobacco now.



yeah, because no poor people smoke...


Here, read it again the way I think he intended.
2010-04-20 1:27 PM
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Sigh.. You ALL MISSED IT!  This was just lobbyists from PETA trying to save the slugs.

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2010-04-20 1:39 PM
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Opus - 2010-04-20 9:53 AM

crusevegas - 2010-04-20 12:31 PM

One of the things they could do would be to put an excessive tax on it so that the cost of salt would be prohibitive to use except for all but the wealthiest, kind of like what they do with tobacco now.

That's awesome! I was fooled into thinking that homeless dude who was smoking was poor, but now I see he must be one of our wealthiest citizens!

Hummmm, are you saying that sin taxes like they have on tobacco don't stop the poor folks from using the product? I thought that was part of the reason the federal govt. put them on such items.

Maybe the tax just isn't high enough yet?



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crusevegas - 2010-04-20 2:39 PM

Opus - 2010-04-20 9:53 AM

crusevegas - 2010-04-20 12:31 PM

One of the things they could do would be to put an excessive tax on it so that the cost of salt would be prohibitive to use except for all but the wealthiest, kind of like what they do with tobacco now.

Hummmm, are you saying that sin taxes like they have on tobacco don't stop the poor folks from using the product? I thought that was part of the reason the federal govt. put them on such items.

Maybe the tax just isn't high enough yet?

That's awesome! I was fooled into thinking that homeless dude who was smoking was poor, but now I see he must be one of our wealthiest citizens!

Hey, somebody added something to my post!

2010-04-20 1:42 PM
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crusevegas - 2010-04-20 2:39 PM

Opus - 2010-04-20 9:53 AM

crusevegas - 2010-04-20 12:31 PM

One of the things they could do would be to put an excessive tax on it so that the cost of salt would be prohibitive to use except for all but the wealthiest, kind of like what they do with tobacco now.

 

Maybe the tax just isn't high enough yet?

That's awesome! I was fooled into thinking that homeless dude who was smoking was poor, but now I see he must be one of our wealthiest citizens!

Hummmm, are you saying that sin taxes like they have on tobacco don't stop the poor folks from using the product? I thought that was part of the reason the federal govt. put them on such items.

I don't know the reasons gov'ts put in sin taxes. If they do it to discourage the poor, I would say they have failed.



2010-04-20 1:42 PM
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Opus - 2010-04-20 11:40 AM

crusevegas - 2010-04-20 2:39 PM

Opus - 2010-04-20 9:53 AM

crusevegas - 2010-04-20 12:31 PM

One of the things they could do would be to put an excessive tax on it so that the cost of salt would be prohibitive to use except for all but the wealthiest, kind of like what they do with tobacco now.

That's awesome! I was fooled into thinking that homeless dude who was smoking was poor, but now I see he must be one of our wealthiest citizens!

Hey, somebody added something to my post!

Calm down, I made an error and have corrected it..... JFTR here is the part I wrote.

 

Hummmm, are you saying that sin taxes like they have on tobacco don't stop the poor folks from using the product? I thought that was part of the reason the federal govt. put them on such items.

Maybe the tax just isn't high enough yet?

 

2010-04-20 1:45 PM
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Opus - 2010-04-20 11:42 AM

crusevegas - 2010-04-20 2:39 PM

Opus - 2010-04-20 9:53 AM

crusevegas - 2010-04-20 12:31 PM

One of the things they could do would be to put an excessive tax on it so that the cost of salt would be prohibitive to use except for all but the wealthiest, kind of like what they do with tobacco now.

 

Maybe the tax just isn't high enough yet?

That's awesome! I was fooled into thinking that homeless dude who was smoking was poor, but now I see he must be one of our wealthiest citizens!

Hummmm, are you saying that sin taxes like they have on tobacco don't stop the poor folks from using the product? I thought that was part of the reason the federal govt. put them on such items.

I don't know the reasons gov'ts put in sin taxes. If they do it to discourage the poor, I would say they have failed.

Do you think when the federal govt puts a tax on something that it would have the effect of increasing consumption or decreasing consumption?

Do you think that it would be more punative on the poor than on the wealthy?

2010-04-20 2:11 PM
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crusevegas - 2010-04-20 2:45 PM

Opus - 2010-04-20 11:42 AM

crusevegas - 2010-04-20 2:39 PM

Opus - 2010-04-20 9:53 AM

crusevegas - 2010-04-20 12:31 PM

One of the things they could do would be to put an excessive tax on it so that the cost of salt would be prohibitive to use except for all but the wealthiest, kind of like what they do with tobacco now.

 

Maybe the tax just isn't high enough yet?

That's awesome! I was fooled into thinking that homeless dude who was smoking was poor, but now I see he must be one of our wealthiest citizens!

Hummmm, are you saying that sin taxes like they have on tobacco don't stop the poor folks from using the product? I thought that was part of the reason the federal govt. put them on such items.

I don't know the reasons gov'ts put in sin taxes. If they do it to discourage the poor, I would say they have failed.

Do you think when the federal govt puts a tax on something that it would have the effect of increasing consumption or decreasing consumption?

Do you think that it would be more punative on the poor than on the wealthy?

I'm not sure what we're discussing here.

I would think that, on average if you increase taxes - assuming all other variables stay the same - the effect would be that consumption would go down. Of course, this would not hold true for essential items where consumer demand is outside of the control of the consumer and would be less true (at least in the short term) for items that are addictive. Of course, this is just my gut feeling.

Regarding the punitive nature of taxes, it depends on how you define punitive. If the poor continue to smoke after taxes have gone up, the relative effect of a tax hike would be higher than on the rich. If, on the other hand, the effect of the tax hike were really to reduce the number of smokers, thereby improving the overall health of the poor, the effect of the tax hike would harm the rich more.

I answered these questions for fun, but I'm not exactly sure what your point is.

2010-04-20 2:50 PM
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This is another example of the nanny state. This is a slippery slope. Is the amount of fat in our foods next? Sugar? Serving sizes? Time of day eaten? When does it end? How much of our tax dollars will go this program?

I don't like it at all.
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