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2011-03-29 8:45 AM

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Subject: Mount/Dismount with Road Shoes

Alright, I don't know what I'm doing and figured I would give a run at a critique my mount/dismount thread.  Unfortunately, no video.

Mount: sort of jog with bike, hop on carrying forward momentum, attempt to clip in quickly, if that fails, pedal a few strokes with my shoes just resting on the pedals until I can clip in.

Dismount: unclip right shoe, get right leg on same side as left, coast to a stop, right leg on ground crossed behind left, unclip left and get moving.  I definitely come to a stop and the whole right leg crossed behind my left could be somewhat unstable, but it seems to work.

Before I start practicing this on my rides, I figured I would see if there is a better/more efficient method.  Thanks for any suggestions.

 



2011-03-29 9:03 AM
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Dismount: Right leg swings over and instead of stepping behind the left leg, step through like your running (this would be inside). Much faster and easier to carry momentum. At speed it can be a little scary cause you're not going to slow down. I use this method of CX racing and the dismounts are done at high speeds. (Your feet are out top of both shoes before starting this). If you do coast, make sure the seat post is up against your hip as this will add stability.

I do a flying mount but I've also done this 100's of times with CX.





Edited by running2far 2011-03-29 9:04 AM
2011-03-29 9:19 AM
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Subject: RE: Mount/Dismount with Road Shoes
Goosedog - 2011-03-29 9:45 AM

Before I start practicing this on my rides, I figured I would see if there is a better/more efficient method.  Thanks for any suggestions.

 

Get tri shoes. Leave them clipped in.

That would be much more efficient. Otherwise, seems fairly sound to me.

2011-03-29 10:02 AM
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Leegoocrap - 2011-03-29 10:19 AM

Goosedog - 2011-03-29 9:45 AM

Before I start practicing this on my rides, I figured I would see if there is a better/more efficient method.  Thanks for any suggestions.

 

Get tri shoes. Leave them clipped in.

That would be much more efficient. Otherwise, seems fairly sound to me.



I have practiced the tri shoes clipped in probably 30 times and still feel dangerous to myself and others when I am trying to get my feet in the shoes. I even practice this with my bike on the trainer and still struggle to get the shoes on.

On the other hand, if I put my shoes on in T1, I can run pretty fast, flying mount, clip in and be on my way with minimal loss of forward momentum. At my last race, one of the volunteers said, "wow, that was fast" as I did this. I probably lose 30 seconds putting the shoes on but gain some of it back on maintained forward progress. For now, this is my method of choice.

Wish I could figure out the shoes clipped in method....

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2011-03-29 10:08 AM
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what part are you having trouble with? Once you get up to speed putting shoes on shouldn't be an issue. Sometimes if you practice "slowly" (in a parking lot for example) the steering is pretty twitchy and can skew the ease of getting your feet in the shoes. Really the only chance to screw up bad is to get excited and NOT get your foot on top of the shoe... then when you go to pedal the shoe scrapes pavement and stops you (err...crashes you)
2011-03-29 10:14 AM
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Subject: RE: Mount/Dismount with Road Shoes
wannabefaster - 2011-03-29 11:02 AM
Leegoocrap - 2011-03-29 10:19 AM
Goosedog - 2011-03-29 9:45 AM

Before I start practicing this on my rides, I figured I would see if there is a better/more efficient method.  Thanks for any suggestions.

 

Get tri shoes. Leave them clipped in.

That would be much more efficient. Otherwise, seems fairly sound to me.

I have practiced the tri shoes clipped in probably 30 times and still feel dangerous to myself and others when I am trying to get my feet in the shoes. I even practice this with my bike on the trainer and still struggle to get the shoes on. On the other hand, if I put my shoes on in T1, I can run pretty fast, flying mount, clip in and be on my way with minimal loss of forward momentum. At my last race, one of the volunteers said, "wow, that was fast" as I did this. I probably lose 30 seconds putting the shoes on but gain some of it back on maintained forward progress. For now, this is my method of choice. Wish I could figure out the shoes cliped in method....

What I do is I mount with my shoes on and dismount with my shoes off.  It doesnt have to be a one way or the other for both.  With your T1 time, it sounds like this would work for you. 



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Subject: RE: Mount/Dismount with Road Shoes
ratherbesnowboarding - 2011-03-29 11:14 AM

wannabefaster - 2011-03-29 11:02 AM
Leegoocrap - 2011-03-29 10:19 AM
Goosedog - 2011-03-29 9:45 AM

Before I start practicing this on my rides, I figured I would see if there is a better/more efficient method.  Thanks for any suggestions.

 

Get tri shoes. Leave them clipped in.

That would be much more efficient. Otherwise, seems fairly sound to me.

I have practiced the tri shoes clipped in probably 30 times and still feel dangerous to myself and others when I am trying to get my feet in the shoes. I even practice this with my bike on the trainer and still struggle to get the shoes on. On the other hand, if I put my shoes on in T1, I can run pretty fast, flying mount, clip in and be on my way with minimal loss of forward momentum. At my last race, one of the volunteers said, "wow, that was fast" as I did this. I probably lose 30 seconds putting the shoes on but gain some of it back on maintained forward progress. For now, this is my method of choice. Wish I could figure out the shoes cliped in method....

What I do is I mount with my shoes on and dismount with my shoes off.  It doesnt have to be a one way or the other for both.  With your T1 time, it sounds like this would work for you. 



I forgot to say that I can get my shoes off for the dismount, just like you said. Works great taking them off.
2011-03-29 12:42 PM
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Thanks for the responses.
2011-03-29 12:55 PM
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running2far - 2011-03-29 10:03 AM Also, try Dismount: Right leg swings over and instead of stepping behind the left leg, step through like your running (this would be inside). Much faster and easier to carry momentum. At speed it can be a little scary cause you're not going to slow down. I use this method of CX racing and the dismounts are done at high speeds. (Your feet are out top of both shoes before starting this). If you do coast, make sure the seat post is up against your hip as this will add stability. I do a flying mount but I've also done this 100's of times with CX.

Yikes, I watched some videos of this on youtube.  Impressive, but I can't imagine being able to unclip my left that effortlessly.  I understand this comes with practice, but are they using some sort of pedals/cleats that would make this easier? 

 

2011-03-29 1:25 PM
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I race CX and am good at doing CX mounts and dismounts.

I do CX type mount in tris but I take a more conservative way to dismount...unclip my foot before I stop, then lift my leg over and run off. My MTB pedals and my road pedals are quite different in how easily it is to get in and out of.

If you aren't 100% confident in your mount and dismount method don't do it that way but a way that is safer and you are sure you can do. In a race you will be going harder than you do while doing it on your every day life plus depending on your swim wave and time the mount line may be super crowded. For some more focus may help them do better others mess up. Falling, crashing, going off the course will delay you more than doing it a slightly slower method.

Last year there was a video of women's ITU tri showing the women mount there bikes, so many crashed, went zig zag over the course causing issues with other riders. Most were doing the shoes clipped in method of mounts and these are elite racers.

2011-03-29 1:27 PM
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Goosedog - 2011-03-29 12:55 PM

running2far - 2011-03-29 10:03 AM Also, try Dismount: Right leg swings over and instead of stepping behind the left leg, step through like your running (this would be inside). Much faster and easier to carry momentum. At speed it can be a little scary cause you're not going to slow down. I use this method of CX racing and the dismounts are done at high speeds. (Your feet are out top of both shoes before starting this). If you do coast, make sure the seat post is up against your hip as this will add stability. I do a flying mount but I've also done this 100's of times with CX.

Yikes, I watched some videos of this on youtube.  Impressive, but I can't imagine being able to unclip my left that effortlessly.  I understand this comes with practice, but are they using some sort of pedals/cleats that would make this easier? 

 

If you are referring to CX, then I would guess that very few are using Look cleats/pedals since they don't handle mud.  But really any pedal system should be fine for your purposes because the retention adjustment can be loosened up to allow it to come out pretty easily. 

I do this on my mtn bikes because I prefer to come unclipped automagically when I'm crashing.  I have never unclipped accidentally while just riding, but otherwise unclip very, very easily.  In fact, if my pedal hits a rock more times than not that foot pops out.

You describe running and flying mount in road shoes.  I can't imagine trying that in my road shoes.  The cleats and soles are hard plastic or carbon fiber.  They are as slick on pavement as ice.  I could never trust my leap.  And a $200 pair of carbon soled shoes would be ruined.

It sounds like you already do just fine though.  Do you believe you are losing significant time?



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Goosedog - 2011-03-29 12:55 PM

running2far - 2011-03-29 10:03 AM Also, try Dismount: Right leg swings over and instead of stepping behind the left leg, step through like your running (this would be inside). Much faster and easier to carry momentum. At speed it can be a little scary cause you're not going to slow down. I use this method of CX racing and the dismounts are done at high speeds. (Your feet are out top of both shoes before starting this). If you do coast, make sure the seat post is up against your hip as this will add stability. I do a flying mount but I've also done this 100's of times with CX.

Yikes, I watched some videos of this on youtube.  Impressive, but I can't imagine being able to unclip my left that effortlessly.  I understand this comes with practice, but are they using some sort of pedals/cleats that would make this easier? 

 



All my Tri mounts are done with barefeet. Easier as you don't have to worry about unclipping.

CX pedals I use egg beaters.
2011-03-29 1:54 PM
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JeffY - 2011-03-29 2:27 PM Do you believe you are losing significant time?

I probably should have addressed this initially.  No, and considering where I place, it doesn't much matter.  Mainly, I was curious as to how people were mounting/dismounting when using road shoes and not having them on the pedals before or after.

Again, thanks for the comments.

 



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wannabefaster - 2011-03-29 10:02 AM I probably lose 30 seconds putting the shoes on but gain some of it back on maintained forward progress. For now, this is my method of choice. Wish I could figure out the shoes clipped in method....

Go with what works for you, but I guarantee that you're not going to gain back 30 seconds on me in "maintained forward progress".  The key with mounting with your shoes already clipped in is to not even think about putting your feet in until you are fully up to speed and on a flat or slight downhill.  This is where most people fail.  They try too quickly to get their feet in, so they're moving too slowly and they wobble all over the place.

Even if I'm out of transition only 20 seconds before you, I'm not going to lose anywhere near enough speed for you to make up that ground: 20 seconds while you put on your shoes, I'm moving 20 mph, you're moving 0 mph; 20 seconds while I put on my shoes, I'm moving at 17-18 mph (at worst), you're moving at 20 mph.

Do a roll down test on a flat or slightly downhill section.  See how much speed you actually lose from 20 mph during the time it takes to put your feet in your shoes.  It's much less than you'd think and it's way faster than putting your shoes on while doing 0 mph.

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