Debate between my Wife and I. Input is appreciated.
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2011-08-26 11:36 AM |
Member 603 Chicago | Subject: Debate between my Wife and I. Input is appreciated. So my wife and I are having a discussion about how I am always optimistic and she is always pessimistic (or realistic in her words). I have had a run of unfortunate events (bike getting stolen.. recovered) (late registration for classes that are closed.. was able to get the last spot after the payment deadline). So my question to my Cup of Joe Bters is she likes to say that I am optimistic because I have always had good luck. I like to say that I have good luck because I am optimistic. My wife would like to believe that if she were in my shoes that A) she would have never recovered her stolen bike and B) would never have gotten into the classes that were closed because she does not have good luck. I like to say that it is because she is pessimistic. Just so you know this is not a serious matter or fight. More like a fun discussion we have and I get to poke fun at her. |
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2011-08-26 11:39 AM in reply to: #3660791 |
Melon Presser 52116 | Subject: RE: Debate between my Wife and I. Input is appreciated. It seems to me that in any debate with one's spouse, it is much better for your mental and emotional health to go with "your wife is right." So you can stay optimistic and continue to enjoy your good fortune! |
2011-08-26 11:41 AM in reply to: #3660791 |
Alpharetta, GA | Subject: RE: Debate between my Wife and I. Input is appreciated. Is the glass half empty or half full? Yes. You're both right. It's a matter of how you view it. I agree with the above statement, too. ^^^^^^^^ Andi |
2011-08-26 11:43 AM in reply to: #3660791 |
Payson, AZ | Subject: RE: Debate between my Wife and I. Input is appreciated. I think the difference between an optimist and a pestimist is the pestimist assumes they aren't going to get something so they never even try. So your arguement is potentially very valid. Cause your are an optimist you at least try and therefore have success. She assumes the worse so never even tries. I remember I started a new job and had been there two weeks when I walked into my managers office and asked to go to a conference in San Diago. I lived in Halifax at the time, so not a cheap flight, let alone all the other costs. I got a yes. Everyone was all amazed and asked me how I managed that. Um, I asked... |
2011-08-26 11:51 AM in reply to: #3660791 |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: Debate between my Wife and I. Input is appreciated. I too am an optimist. One of my all time favorite quotes that I live by every day:"The longer I love, the more I realize the impact of attitude on life. Attitude, to me, is more important than facts. It is more important than the past, than education, than money, than circumstances, than failures, than successes, than what other people think or say or do. It is more important than appearance, giftedness or skill. It will make or break a company...a church....a home. The remarkable thing is we have a choice every day regarding the attitude we will embrace for that day. We cannot change our past...we cannot change the fact that people will act in a certain way. We cannot change the inevitable. The only thing we can do is play on the one string we have, and that is our attitude...I am convinced that life is 10% what happens to me and 90% how I react to it. And so it is with you...we are in charge of our attitudes." — Charles R. Swindoll |
2011-08-26 11:51 AM in reply to: #3660791 |
Extreme Veteran 3177 | Subject: RE: Debate between my Wife and I. Input is appreciated. similar to the above, optimism has its own rewards. My department put an embargo on time off for this week due to a very large meeting that has been going on all week long. yet I asked about getting off early yesterday as I had something to do and go the green light. My co-workers were amazed about that. I simply asked because the worst they could say would be no, right? |
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2011-08-26 12:03 PM in reply to: #3660798 |
Subject: RE: Debate between my Wife and I. Input is appreciated. Anditrigirl - 2011-08-26 12:41 PM Is the glass half empty or half full? It's a dirty glass that someone, probably me, will have to wash. To the OP, these are the stupid little things that are so insignificant now but can blow up and become honest to goodness issues. Dunno why but they can. If it's something that will not hurt you to give, give it. In this case it really doesn't matter which way it is so smile, nod and agree with her. Just a suggestion but what the heck do I know |
2011-08-26 12:05 PM in reply to: #3660791 |
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2011-08-26 12:33 PM in reply to: #3660791 |
Champion 7554 Albuquerque, New Mexico | Subject: RE: Debate between my Wife and I. Input is appreciated. Attitude and outcome are intertwined. You've presented two situations where an acceptable outcome resulted from a challenging situation. Having a generally upbeat attitude allowed you to ride out the disruption to a surprisingly positive outcome. You're more likely to ride out the next setback as well. Your wife might not exhibit that same patience and the turmoil from the initial setback proves so disruptive that she "gives up" before the acceptable outcome materializes. In her experiences, setbacks end negatively and she becomes less and less likely to ride one out in the future. |
2011-08-26 12:41 PM in reply to: #3660791 |
Veteran 200 Bradford, PA | Subject: RE: Debate between my Wife and I. Input is appreciated. My wife is the optimist (naive) and I'm the pessimist (realist). We balance each other out. I believe a lot of our attitudes to be related to our upbringing. I have to always be aware of my attitude and try to remain positive and optimistic. To a certain degree I believe my pessimism is an inherited/learned trait. ETA: I use naive and realist in jest. Kinda. Edited by Trout 2011-08-26 12:42 PM |
2011-08-26 12:41 PM in reply to: #3660899 |
Champion 4835 Eat Cheese or Die | Subject: RE: Debate between my Wife and I. Input is appreciated. I heard a story on NPR about an interview question one company always asks. I forget the company, google maybe. But they always ask interviewees if the interviewee thinks they are a lucky person. Apparently there was a study found that people who feel they are lucky look at situations from a different perspective and often find creative ways to approach the situation. This causes them to have better outcomes. It's their actions that lead to better outcomes, but their perception is that they are just lucky. I think in many instances "luck" is a cycle. People with positive outlooks, often approach things in a positive manner resulting in a positive result which in turn reinforces their positive outlook. A negative outlook results and a negative approach, negative result and the continuation of the negative outlook. |
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2011-08-26 12:43 PM in reply to: #3660791 |
Pro 4838 | Subject: RE: Debate between my Wife and I. Input is appreciated. X2 /\ BINGO Trout. |
2011-08-26 1:01 PM in reply to: #3660791 |
Iron Donkey 38643 , Wisconsin | Subject: RE: Debate between my Wife and I. Input is appreciated. 1). The wife is always right. |
2011-08-26 3:08 PM in reply to: #3660910 |
Veteran 267 Peoria Heights | Subject: RE: Debate between my Wife and I. Input is appreciated. graceful_dave - 2011-08-26 12:41 PM People with positive outlooks, often approach things in a positive manner resulting in a positive result which in turn reinforces their positive outlook. A negative outlook results and a negative approach, negative result and the continuation of the negative outlook. This is quite true often. I help provide computers to users in a big company. There are certain guidelines that we follow on who can have an upgrade and who can't, but there is a fair amount of use your best judgement. I am way more likely to bend the rules for a person who calls that is friendly, positive and optomistic than I am for a person who is pessimistic. On a personal note I have made the conscious choice to change my pessimistic nature to a more optomistic nature. Not only does life seem better but it actually has been better. I'm more open to people and experiences that have been making life worth while. |
2011-08-26 3:11 PM in reply to: #3660899 |
Extreme Veteran 849 San Diego | Subject: RE: Debate between my Wife and I. Input is appreciated. McFuzz - 2011-08-26 10:33 AM Attitude and outcome are intertwined. You've presented two situations where an acceptable outcome resulted from a challenging situation. Having a generally upbeat attitude allowed you to ride out the disruption to a surprisingly positive outcome. You're more likely to ride out the next setback as well. Your wife might not exhibit that same patience and the turmoil from the initial setback proves so disruptive that she "gives up" before the acceptable outcome materializes. In her experiences, setbacks end negatively and she becomes less and less likely to ride one out in the future. Yes! Optimism also helps people weather change. My bf is a pessimist and I'm an optimist. I'm always happy and he gets grumpy frequently. An example: we get dessert. It's small so it's finished quickly. I think "that was great!" He thinks "that was too small!" It's caused some issues in the past, but we balance each other out and he's becoming better natured. When I was a kid my mom always said, "it's better than a hit on the head with a stick." Funny philosophy but almost always true, at least in the day to day stuff. |
2011-08-26 3:12 PM in reply to: #3660791 |
Member 143 Oklahoma City, OK | Subject: RE: Debate between my Wife and I. Input is appreciated. The perception of whether a glass is half-empty or half-full is based on the expectation of the contents. If you expected nothing in the glass, then it's half-full because something is there. If you expected the glass to be full, then it's half-empty because something is missing. A pessimist is unlucky because, when confronted by an obstacle, expects failure and quits easily, blaming bad luck. An optimist is lucky because, when confronted by the same obstacle, expects success and strives longer, crediting good luck. Someone once said, 'The harder I work, the luckier I get!' Edited by Sooner Tri Guy 2011-08-26 3:35 PM |
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2011-08-26 3:14 PM in reply to: #3661206 |
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2011-08-26 3:15 PM in reply to: #3660791 |
Veteran 345 SE TX | Subject: RE: Debate between my Wife and I. Input is appreciated. Thomasski - 2011-08-26 11:36 AM Just so you know this is not a serious matter or fight. More like a fun discussion we have and I get to poke fun at her. I think you are understating the severity of the conflict and it will bite you on the backside. But seriously, I like what McFuzz said, and I see it in action a bunch. There are dozens of cliches and motivational phrases that sum up the impact of attitude on outcomes, and I like 'em all. Lots of people think I am a huge optimist and always certain of a positive outcome. It's almost never the case. I believe that a positive outcome can happen, and I will do everything I can to contribute. If I hit a roadblock, I am not gonna bag it because of one barrier. Part of this is accepting that there will be challenges, and that I am up for them, so when they come I try to take them in stride, or adapt as needed. Everything we do is preparation for something bigger and better to come, so if I give up today, what will I do when I hit a bigger obstacle? Aw what the hell am I saying? You are all triathletes. You already know all this stuff. Carry on.
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2011-08-26 3:18 PM in reply to: #3660791 |
Expert 1416 San Luis Obispo, CA | Subject: RE: Debate between my Wife and I. Input is appreciated. |
2011-08-26 3:36 PM in reply to: #3660791 |
Pro 6767 the Alabama part of Pennsylvania | Subject: RE: Debate between my Wife and I. Input is appreciated. Optimists invented airplanes. Pessimists invented parachutes. Both are useful. OTOH, the wife is always right. And in this case, studies show that mildly depressed and pessimistic people have more accurate perceptions of the world as it is. Optimists tend to discount and forget bad things that happen, giving them a more positive bias in their outlook. |
2011-08-26 3:40 PM in reply to: #3661226 |
Extreme Veteran 745 | Subject: RE: Debate between my Wife and I. Input is appreciated. Luck favors the prepared. Maybe it's just little things but that "preparedness" brings you"luck." |
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2011-08-26 3:46 PM in reply to: #3660791 |
Extreme Veteran 799 | Subject: RE: Debate between my Wife and I. Input is appreciated. I think the difference is normally what someone pays attention to. Similar to counting blue cars. If you spend time counting blue cars, you are likely to surmise that there are a very large number of blue cars. But if you were able to go back and count colors of all cars, you'd see that this was just a illusion. |
2011-08-26 3:46 PM in reply to: #3660791 |
Extreme Veteran 799 | Subject: RE: Debate between my Wife and I. Input is appreciated. |
2011-08-26 4:17 PM in reply to: #3661305 |
Sensei Sin City | Subject: RE: Debate between my Wife and I. Input is appreciated. Opptomists apear to be luckier because they KNOW it's going to workout, so they keep working at it until it does. Pessimists don't think it's going to happen, so give up. Then of course it WON'T since they don't even try.
Generally speaking....
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2011-08-27 1:28 PM in reply to: #3660791 |
Master 1989 New Jersey | Subject: RE: Debate between my Wife and I. Input is appreciated. Henry Ford: “If you believe you can or if you believe you can’t . . . you’re right.” I vote for Optimism causing good results, not the other way. |
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