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2006-03-14 2:54 AM

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Subject: The position of power and flirting.
I tend to think that in my job I have (in the situation) A LOT of power. Being that I work for Kinko’s, and I a run the store, I think I have a lot of power in that context (most of my customers would think I have power but after all, I control what comittedment they get on their job, which is the what my customers what. My concern is that I like to flirt with cute girls that seem into me, a commitment in their time frame.) Interested with me at my counter. So I think I have a lot of influence and power over my customers, is it okay to flirt with female customers I think might be interested, or is that an “abuse
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2006-03-14 5:34 AM
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Subject: RE: The position of power and flirting.

"abuse of power" - nope. 

Unprofessional, unethical, and sexual harassment - definitely. 

Mark

2006-03-14 5:42 AM
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Subject: RE: The position of power and flirting.

Flirting with customers is sexual harassment?  Give me a break.

RedCorvette - 2006-03-14 5:34 AM

"abuse of power" - nope. 

Unprofessional, unethical, and sexual harassment - definitely. 

Mark

2006-03-14 5:46 AM
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Subject: RE: The position of power and flirting.

technically, I think, for it to be legally "sexual harrassment" the "victim" has to declare the treatment unwanted....

 
 just be careful.   if you are running the store you are also setting the tone for other workers.

2006-03-14 5:57 AM
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Subject: RE: The position of power and flirting.

Plus you have to be in some position of power over the person that's being "harassed".  The example described above is unwanted flirting at best.

possum - 2006-03-14 5:46 AM

technically, I think, for it to be legally "sexual harrassment" the "victim" has to declare the treatment unwanted....


 just be careful.   if you are running the store you are also setting the tone for other workers.

2006-03-14 5:59 AM
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Subject: RE: The position of power and flirting.

Possum's right on both accounts. If your employees see it, it sets a bad example for them, and may encourage it amongst themselves too. If it's welcomed, it's not an issue, but chances are not everyone will appreciate it and that sets you up for trouble big time. 

possum - 2006-03-14 6:46 AM

technically, I think, for it to be legally "sexual harrassment" the "victim" has to declare the treatment unwanted....


just be careful. if you are running the store you are also setting the tone for other workers.



2006-03-14 6:02 AM
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Subject: RE: The position of power and flirting.

You should just pass them a note with the receipt, tyrant.

"U and me shood make sweat love!"

2006-03-14 6:04 AM
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DerekL - 2006-03-14 7:02 AM

You should just pass them a note with the receipt, tyrant.

"U and me shood make sweat love!"

 

Heh... 

2006-03-14 6:21 AM
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Subject: RE: The position of power and flirting.

I never tire of hearing,

"possum's right on both accounts..." (although as often as I hear it, you'd think I'd be very tired...)  

2006-03-14 6:34 AM
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Subject: RE: The position of power and flirting.

Nothin' for nothin'...but in the Groucho Marx ' I wouldn't want to be member of any club that would have me as a member' vein...

Are you sure you want to be making 'social' partner of anyone who is swayed into a 'social situation' by the ability to affect their pecking order at the local copy shop....

 

just sayin...

 

 

 

 

 

2006-03-14 8:35 AM
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2006-03-14 9:00 AM
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Subject: RE: The position of power and flirting.
I think you're taking his orginal post out of context. He's not flirting with his employees, he's flirting with the customers. What Tyrant fails to realize is that the women are flirting with HIM in order to get their print jobs more quickly. I TOTALLY use this technique to my advantage. For example, I have never had to replace a headlamp in my car. I just go into the auto parts store in a dress and heels and ask the guy to help me find the right headlamp for my car. Then after he takes my money, I bat my eyelashes and say, "Are these hard to replace? I've never had to do it before." At which point the guy invariably says, "Oh! It's easy. I'll show you." And then he walks out to the parking lot with me and puts it in. Then I smile and shake his hand and thank him profusely and drive away. Am I guilty of something? Maybe. But not sexual harrassment.
2006-03-14 9:02 AM
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Subject: RE: The position of power and flirting.
DerekL - 2006-03-14 7:02 AM

You should just pass them a note with the receipt, tyrant.

"U and me shood make sweat love!"

Sweat love.... only in CAlifornia.
2006-03-14 9:09 AM
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Subject: RE: The position of power and flirting.
What you describe is neither "abuse of power' nor "sexual harassment".  It is only abuse of power if you prey upon someone who works for you, not a client.  If you flirt with a woman and she asks you to stop and you do (stop), there is no problem.  If you do not stop your unrequited attention, then it becomes sexual harassment under the law.  Try to act with some degree of professionalism and refrain from flirting with clients altogether.   
2006-03-14 9:32 AM
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Subject: RE: The position of power and flirting.

Bettylou - 2006-03-14 9:00 AM I think you're taking his orginal post out of context. He's not flirting with his employees, he's flirting with the customers. What Tyrant fails to realize is that the women are flirting with HIM in order to get their print jobs more quickly. I TOTALLY use this technique to my advantage. For example, I have never had to replace a headlamp in my car. I just go into the auto parts store in a dress and heels and ask the guy to help me find the right headlamp for my car. Then after he takes my money, I bat my eyelashes and say, "Are these hard to replace? I've never had to do it before." At which point the guy invariably says, "Oh! It's easy. I'll show you." And then he walks out to the parking lot with me and puts it in. Then I smile and shake his hand and thank him profusely and drive away. Am I guilty of something? Maybe. But not sexual harrassment.

 

Ha!  Great point!  So just who has the power again?

2006-03-14 10:02 AM
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Subject: RE: The position of power and flirting.

Flirting with clients? Not a huge deal, except for the reasons stated by possum and others. But, come on, don't get a big head about your 'position of power' over your clients. Your client has all the power. You need to respect them, get them what they want and do it in the time frame they expect. You serve them.

More than whether or not you flirt, the delusion that you hold the power over your customers is a dangerous attitude to your career.



2006-03-14 10:23 AM
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Subject: RE: The position of power and flirting.
kimj81 - 2006-03-14 10:02 AM

Flirting with clients? Not a huge deal, except for the reasons stated by possum and others. But, come on, don't get a big head about your 'position of power' over your clients. Your client has all the power. You need to respect them, get them what they want and do it in the time frame they expect. You serve them.

More than whether or not you flirt, the delusion that you hold the power over your customers is a dangerous attitude to your career.




I don't know....have you ever had your color copier die an hour before a major client presentation? The Kinkos guy has the power of the universe in his hands at that point and I would take whatever steps necessary (flirting, cash bribes, whatever) to get my printing!
2006-03-14 10:33 AM
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Subject: RE: The position of power and flirting.
Bettylou - 2006-03-14 8:23 AM
kimj81 - 2006-03-14 10:02 AM

Flirting with clients? Not a huge deal, except for the reasons stated by possum and others. But, come on, don't get a big head about your 'position of power' over your clients. Your client has all the power. You need to respect them, get them what they want and do it in the time frame they expect. You serve them.

More than whether or not you flirt, the delusion that you hold the power over your customers is a dangerous attitude to your career.

I don't know....have you ever had your color copier die an hour before a major client presentation? The Kinkos guy has the power of the universe in his hands at that point and I would take whatever steps necessary (flirting, cash bribes, whatever) to get my printing!

LOL! Well, sometimes they're powerful, I guess. I just don't think it's healthy for anyone's career, if it's client-driven, to think that they're more important or powerful than the client.

2006-03-14 11:20 AM
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Subject: RE: The position of power and flirting.

That all depends on the quality of service you provide, irrespective of whether your customers respond to your flirtations.

If you withhold or sabotage their project because they don't respond to your flirting - or they are offended by your flirting or you are offended at being rejected - then I would say you are doing your customer and your employer a disservice. That's not about abuse of power; that's about being passive aggressive, creepy, and a crap employee.

If, however, you happily provide the level of service that Kinko's expects of their employees to all your clients - be they single or not, cute or not, flirty or not - then you should be proud of the service you provide and not lose sleep over whether you are compromising your employer because of your flirting.

You are paid to service the people who walk through your retail doors. The bricks and mortar were not constructed to facilitate your dating life. However, retail is a great way to be exposed to a great number of people and if, in the course of serving them well, you also get a date - more power to ya.



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2006-03-14 11:41 AM
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Subject: RE: The position of power and flirting.
kimj81 - 2006-03-14 10:33 AM

Bettylou - 2006-03-14 8:23 AM
kimj81 - 2006-03-14 10:02 AM

Flirting with clients? Not a huge deal, except for the reasons stated by possum and others. But, come on, don't get a big head about your 'position of power' over your clients. Your client has all the power. You need to respect them, get them what they want and do it in the time frame they expect. You serve them.

More than whether or not you flirt, the delusion that you hold the power over your customers is a dangerous attitude to your career.

I don't know....have you ever had your color copier die an hour before a major client presentation? The Kinkos guy has the power of the universe in his hands at that point and I would take whatever steps necessary (flirting, cash bribes, whatever) to get my printing!

LOL! Well, sometimes they're powerful, I guess. I just don't think it's healthy for anyone's career, if it's client-driven, to think that they're more important or powerful than the client.



no i know i serve the client, but to what level is a gray area. should i cancel a production run, and spin that job to print this ladys to books she needs NOW?

Dont get me wrong, i consider it light flirting, just making conversation; talking about the job and junk like that. if they dont seem intrested in talking i just work and ignore them, if they open up; i continue to talk. The situations only arised as we were trying to "improve our freindly and polite" scores. so im just being freindly.
2006-03-14 11:49 AM
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Subject: RE: The position of power and flirting.
Renee - 2006-03-14 11:20 AM

If, however, you happily provide the level of service that Kinko's expects of their employees to all your clients - be they single or not, cute or not, flirty or not - then you should be proud of the service you provide and not lose sleep over whether you are compromising your employer because of your flirting.


its mainly just making conversation. if they dont really respond to conversation, i just shut up and dont talk, providing them the same level of service (BC im super at what i do..... and modest too)


2006-03-14 11:50 AM
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Subject: RE: The position of power and flirting.

tyrant - 2006-03-14 12:41 PM  no i know i serve the client, but to what level is a gray area. should i cancel a production run, and spin that job to print this ladys to books she needs NOW? Dont get me wrong, i consider it light flirting, just making conversation; talking about the job and junk like that. if they dont seem intrested in talking i just work and ignore them, if they open up; i continue to talk. The situations only arised as we were trying to "improve our freindly and polite" scores. so im just being freindly.

From what you're saying, it does sound more like you're just being friendly rather than flirting. So if that's true, why do you sigle out your cute girl customers? Don't all of them deserve the same attention? 

2006-03-14 2:16 PM
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Subject: RE: The position of power and flirting.
run4yrlif - 2006-03-14 11:50 AM

tyrant - 2006-03-14 12:41 PM  no i know i serve the client, but to what level is a gray area. should i cancel a production run, and spin that job to print this ladys to books she needs NOW? Dont get me wrong, i consider it light flirting, just making conversation; talking about the job and junk like that. if they dont seem intrested in talking i just work and ignore them, if they open up; i continue to talk. The situations only arised as we were trying to "improve our freindly and polite" scores. so im just being freindly.

From what you're saying, it does sound more like you're just being friendly rather than flirting. So if that's true, why do you sigle out your cute girl customers? Don't all of them deserve the same attention? 




just to be clear, i dont give "bedroom eyes," i dont touch, i dont make suggestive comments, i dont use pickup lines; i just make conversation. I only ask for a number after the job is done, they have paid (to show that there is no negive effect of saying no to me, and i just say that i would like to see them again...).

i make conversation with all my clients. i think i just get more bounce from them... BC they are flirting with me. some talk and thats it, i dont ask for a number, some ARE flirting (winking and such).
2006-03-14 2:28 PM
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Subject: RE: The position of power and flirting.
Well, the last time I went the Sprint store to get a new phone, the guy helping me was flirting and then asked me if he could call me (already had the number, what with it being my cell company and all). Now, I didn't want him to call me, but I did want the sweet deal I was getting on the phone ... so, yeah, he had the "power" in that instance,  but you'll notice I said it was the LAST time I went to the Sprint store. Asked him not to call me, and haven't been back. Yeah, it might be have been ok for him to ask, yeah, it was Ok for me to say no (after NOT getting my discount -ahem), but seriously? I don't care. It was a long day, I was tired, I didn't want to fluff some Sprint store employees ego -- I just wanted my phone, and while I'm occassionally happy to flash a smile (or whatever) to swing some discount, I'd rather not feel like I HAD to in order to get service. It's annoying. You're in a service industry -- the last thing you need your customers to feel like is that they have to cater to YOU.
2006-03-14 3:00 PM
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Subject: RE: The position of power and flirting.
Dude, your name is Tyrant, you of all people should be least concerned with abuses of power!
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