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Are tool boxes included with tools?
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Yes, fight for them.22 Votes - [84.62%]
No, let them go and move on.4 Votes - [15.38%]

2012-06-01 5:34 PM

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Subject: Are tool boxes included with tools?

I am debating of how much I want to argue over my tool boxes or if I am even in
the right. I was a mechanic by trade so I have many tools and tool boxes. I
have two boxes that are worth over 5k that got left at my old house when got separated
because I had no room for them at the time I moved out. Well in my divorce
papers I made an oversight using the word tools as a general statement for
everything. I have been trying to arrange the pickup of the things left at the
house including the tool boxes and my ex says the agreement says tools so that
is all I am getting, not the boxes. It's Friday and I cannot get a hold of my lawyer
so I am going to see what BT says is reasonable for me to do. I think she
already sold them and that is why she is fighting so hard to not have them
included. Being that they were worth so much and if I ever went back to being a
mechanic I would need them I do want them.

So should I fight for them or let them go?

 



2012-06-01 5:35 PM
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Subject: RE: Are tool boxes included with tools?
Fight for them.  I know how expensive quality tool boxes are.  
2012-06-01 6:01 PM
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Subject: RE: Are tool boxes included with tools?
There will be a special place in hell for ex-wives.  She can take a seat next to mine!
2012-06-01 6:01 PM
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Subject: RE: Are tool boxes included with tools?

That's tough.  I contract lawer would screw you.  You did probably need to say tools AND tool boxes.  I think that you should fight.  Don't just walk away, but I don't think you have a good case.  Unless you have a better lawer and can argue that the toolbox is a tool itself.  But in general, good tool boxes are sold as that, just tool boxes.

OR, some kind of arguement in the same lines as if I wanted my golf clubs, it would be assume under reasonable arugement, that the golf bag they are kept in as part of them. 

There has to be some sort of reasonable expectation that things that go with it are included otherwise you would have to list every single thing.

"I want the computer"

and monitor

and keyboard

and speakers

and mouse

and disk drives

and software

and power cords

and router

and HDMI cable

and on and on and on.



Edited by Kido 2012-06-01 6:02 PM
2012-06-01 6:07 PM
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Subject: RE: Are tool boxes included with tools?
However, if you are supposed to split things down the middle, you should AT LEAST get half the value if she got rid of them...  no?
2012-06-01 6:10 PM
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blbriley - 2012-06-01 4:01 PM There will be a special place in hell for ex-wives.  She can take a seat next to mine!

I'm sure they are reserving the seats for ex husbands...

It's always the ex that's the bad one.

I'm glad I don't think that way about my ex, and she doesn't think that way about me.  We parted on pretty good terms.



2012-06-01 6:39 PM
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2012-06-01 6:44 PM
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Subject: RE: Are tool boxes included with tools?
Too much hassle and drama. She's probably sold them and it's not worth the $300/hr your lawyer will charge you to fit for something which is already gone.

She's into the petty games and pushing your buttons. Don't engage in the fight; that's your win.
2012-06-01 7:14 PM
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Subject: RE: Are tool boxes included with tools?
I concur - the tool box is implied
2012-06-01 7:46 PM
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Subject: RE: Are tool boxes included with tools?
When I first started reading your post I was saying "Oh yeah, only a non-professional would think that tools and tool chests come together, like the crap tool sets some discount store sell." Then I saw that your situation puts you in a hard place

Find some ads for some combination tool and drawer/chest sets and send them to your attorney showing that it is typical to have these together. At least you may be able to raise enough of an ambiguity to not get totally shafted.

2012-06-02 10:27 AM
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Subject: RE: Are tool boxes included with tools?

pitt83 - 2012-06-01 6:44 PM Too much hassle and drama. She's probably sold them and it's not worth the $300/hr your lawyer will charge you to fit for something which is already gone. She's into the petty games and pushing your buttons. Don't engage in the fight; that's your win.

This



2012-06-02 11:12 AM
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Subject: RE: Are tool boxes included with tools?
Tell her if the boxes aren't included you will come by and pick up one tool at a time. I'm sure the inconvenience of that for her will drive her up a wall (I know it would suck for you as well, but let's hope she doesn't call your bluff). 
2012-06-02 11:54 AM
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I can totally understand, some folks who are just uninformed, just don't know how much the box itself costs.  Even a regular roll cab can be 5K by itself.  It was a loosing agreement from the beginning, I suppose they would still specify, "Roll Cab", "Top Chest", "Side Shelf" etc.

I don't really know what she'd actually do with them.  You may have to let them go or see if you can buy them back after she cools down and realizes that she is just doing it out of spite.  Or realizes that she just needs the space. 

2012-06-02 12:28 PM
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Subject: RE: Are tool boxes included with tools?
I'd probably try the nice approach first and if she's still stubborn then let it go.  But if you have anything of hers, might not hurt to return it with "some assembly required".  Especially after she no longer has tools.
2012-06-02 10:06 PM
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Subject: RE: Are tool boxes included with tools?

While I do agree it may be more of a PITA than its worth and better left alone.  I also really like my tools and for them to be organized.  That said, I have to think about the definition of a tool.  Without looking at Mr. Webster I seem to recall that a tool is an object or device used to accomplish a task more efficiently.  If this is the case then the tool box would be included with the tools, or identified as a tool on its own because it helps organize the person and perform a task more efficiently. 

Another thing to look at is if you were to go back to being a mechanic, is it a standard expectation/ practice that you provide your own tools to work?  If so... then you could make a point by saying you need the tools to ensure future income potential should you decide to return to your previous profession.

Just my thoughts.  

In the end you may get the tools but it will cost you almost the value of the tools to get them and for half of that you could get back into a nice tool set and some special use tools too.  Another idea is to do some pick up work for friends and they pay in tools and equipment, win win.  you get tools, lots of positive equity and you continue to be the positive influence for your kids. Pay it forward

2012-06-03 4:53 PM
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Subject: RE: Are tool boxes included with tools?
Go by, pick up the tools.  Take the boxes too.  Let her hire the lawyer to get them back.


2012-06-03 8:27 PM
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Subject: RE: Are tool boxes included with tools?
Go pick up the tools and see if she even still has the boxes.  If she does, just take them.  If she doesn't, seems like a huge hassle, and it's up to you to decide if it's worth it to move forward with it.  
2012-06-04 7:43 AM
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Subject: RE: Are tool boxes included with tools?
IRL tools are not included with tool boxes. In this case, it should be included.  Keep calling your attorney.  It's really sad that an oversight like AND can stand up in court and the wicked witch can give you another shot below the belt with this.  Sorry for you bro.
2012-06-04 7:44 AM
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TriRSquared - 2012-06-03 4:53 PM Go by, pick up the tools.  Take the boxes too.  Let her hire the lawyer to get them back.

 

If you do that it's called theft and he can be charged IRL.  Better clear it up before picking them up.

2012-06-04 7:59 AM
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Subject: RE: Are tool boxes included with tools?
Jtiger - 2012-06-04 8:44 AM

TriRSquared - 2012-06-03 4:53 PM Go by, pick up the tools.  Take the boxes too.  Let her hire the lawyer to get them back.

If you do that it's called theft and he can be charged IRL.  Better clear it up before picking them up.

Not if he has an agreement stating that it's his property (which according to his first post, he does).  How would this be different than pickup up the tools?  Does the paperwork specify each and every tool? No..

It's not like I'm suggesting he take her computer... He's taking his rightful property.

2012-06-04 8:04 AM
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Subject: RE: Are tool boxes included with tools?
TriRSquared - 2012-06-04 5:59 AM
Jtiger - 2012-06-04 8:44 AM

TriRSquared - 2012-06-03 4:53 PM Go by, pick up the tools.  Take the boxes too.  Let her hire the lawyer to get them back.

If you do that it's called theft and he can be charged IRL.  Better clear it up before picking them up.

Not if he has an agreement stating that it's his property (which according to his first post, he does).  How would this be different than pickup up the tools?  Does the paperwork specify each and every tool? No..

It's not like I'm suggesting he take her computer... He's taking his rightful property.

I think she already sold the big work box that is worth 5k but I will talk to my lawyer about it. I would not be able to just take the boxes even if I wanted to. She puts things for pick up out front (in the rain one time) so I have no access to the garage or backyard or I would have grabbed the boxes already.



2012-06-04 8:13 AM
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Subject: RE: Are tool boxes included with tools?
Big Appa - 2012-06-04 9:04 AM
TriRSquared - 2012-06-04 5:59 AM
Jtiger - 2012-06-04 8:44 AM

TriRSquared - 2012-06-03 4:53 PM Go by, pick up the tools.  Take the boxes too.  Let her hire the lawyer to get them back.

If you do that it's called theft and he can be charged IRL.  Better clear it up before picking them up.

Not if he has an agreement stating that it's his property (which according to his first post, he does).  How would this be different than pickup up the tools?  Does the paperwork specify each and every tool? No..

It's not like I'm suggesting he take her computer... He's taking his rightful property.

I think she already sold the big work box that is worth 5k but I will talk to my lawyer about it. I would not be able to just take the boxes even if I wanted to. She puts things for pick up out front (in the rain one time) so I have no access to the garage or backyard or I would have grabbed the boxes already.

That stinks... I know I'd go after them if it were me.  I have one of those big boxes (was a mechanic during college) and they are not cheap...

2012-06-04 8:22 AM
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Subject: RE: Are tool boxes included with tools?
You're a tool.
2012-06-04 8:39 AM
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Subject: RE: Are tool boxes included with tools?

1stTimeTri - 2012-06-04 6:22 AM You're a tool.

That's why I got me in the divorce

2012-06-04 8:42 AM
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Subject: RE: Are tool boxes included with tools?
Big Appa - 2012-06-04 8:39 AM

1stTimeTri - 2012-06-04 6:22 AM You're a tool.

That's why I got me in the divorce

At least she didn't take you apart.

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