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2012-07-03 9:18 AM

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Subject: Does BT need a new forum?

Serious question.  Is tri-talk too big?  I'm starting to think it is.  Seeing posts like 'competitive type A types keep out' adds fuel to that thought.

Perhaps we need a forum for open discussion specifically about training to improve performance, and a separate forum for more general talk about tatoos, the weird stuff people do at pools, the use of ipods, etc.

Discuss.  Nicely.



2012-07-03 9:21 AM
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Experior - 2012-07-03 10:18 AM

Serious question.  Is tri-talk too big?  I'm starting to think it is.  Seeing posts like 'competitive type A types keep out' adds fuel to that thought.

Perhaps we need a forum for open discussion specifically about training to improve performance, and a separate forum for more general talk about tatoos, the weird stuff people do at pools, the use of ipods, etc.

Discuss.  Nicely.



There already is one, http://www.slowtwitch.com/ Perhaps you've heard of it.

Here, however, is a nice place for people to not have to deal with self important urinalysis taste testers when they're grumbling about not being able to finish 50 meter swim without a break.



2012-07-03 9:22 AM
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I like the idea, as much as I enjoy the fodder of tattoo debates, or Ironman brand vs not debates, sometimes it would be nice just to sort those out to a different page, but if it stays the way it is I would not be upset either
2012-07-03 9:26 AM
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DanielG - 2012-07-03 9:21 AM
Experior - 2012-07-03 10:18 AM

Serious question.  Is tri-talk too big?  I'm starting to think it is.  Seeing posts like 'competitive type A types keep out' adds fuel to that thought.

Perhaps we need a forum for open discussion specifically about training to improve performance, and a separate forum for more general talk about tatoos, the weird stuff people do at pools, the use of ipods, etc.

Discuss.  Nicely.

There already is one, http://www.slowtwitch.com/Perhaps you've heard of it. Here, however, is a nice place for people to not have to deal with self important urinalysis taste testers when they're grumbling about not being able to finish 50 meter swim without a break.

 

What he said...  And if you really want to get crazy, stop by the Cup Of Joe thread.....

2012-07-03 9:26 AM
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I think it's ok as is.  When a thread's subject is appropriately titled, it's easy to just ignore the ones I don't want to read.  

At least until I notice it getting to page 3 or 4 and then I have to check it out in case it's something juicy.  

2012-07-03 9:26 AM
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I like it the way it is.  Keeps it active.  If you start separating out a number of different areas then not only do you need to look in different places for interesting threads but each of those areas will get less traffic than if its kept all together.  The way it is now you just hit refresh and see whats new.


2012-07-03 9:29 AM
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DanielG - 2012-07-03 10:21 AM
Experior - 2012-07-03 10:18 AM

Serious question.  Is tri-talk too big?  I'm starting to think it is.  Seeing posts like 'competitive type A types keep out' adds fuel to that thought.

Perhaps we need a forum for open discussion specifically about training to improve performance, and a separate forum for more general talk about tatoos, the weird stuff people do at pools, the use of ipods, etc.

Discuss.  Nicely.

There already is one, http://www.slowtwitch.com/Perhaps you've heard of it. Here, however, is a nice place for people to not have to deal with self important urinalysis taste testers when they're grumbling about not being able to finish 50 meter swim without a break.

Hmm.  Maybe my suggestion wasn't clear.  I wasn't suggesting that we have a 'nice' forum and a 'mean' forum.  The suggested division is topical and I believe could lead to everybody getting the kind of advice, or being involved in the kind of discussion, they they are seeking.  (That is what I believe for now -- I posted because I'm willing to be convinced otherwise, not that my opinion on this point matters.)

Let's try to keep the discussion civil.  It's an honest question, not an attempt at provocation.

2012-07-03 9:29 AM
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I would also agree that a couple of sub forums would be benefical to the site. My suggestions are

 

Beginner forum - Unfortunately there are some very inexperienced beginners with main goals about only finishing and having fun. As much as this site is biginner triathalete.com there are many who are not beginners and sometimes forget what that was like in thier responses

Specific Swim/Bike/Run forums? - specific help forums in each discipline. Not necessary but could be helpful

Tri race forum - for those specifically intersted in racing and winning AG, KQ, Boston qualify, etc

Just a few suggestions

2012-07-03 9:30 AM
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I would like a forum specifically dedicated to posting wattage numbers, and the judgement that follows.
2012-07-03 9:34 AM
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I don't think we need a new forum and I don't think it would get a lot of traffic if we had one.  Lets face it...as much as I enjoy BT the vast majority of the post are feel good post.  Not very often is the science of sport, endurance, nutritution discussed in detail.  Like most people, when I really want to know the why behind something, I just go to slowtwitch. 

Edit: Not to say that there are not knowledgeable resources here...but it just gets over run with a bunch of N=1 information. 



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I like it the way it is.  There is already enough forums and it is easy to glance at a topic and skip it if you do not want to read it.


2012-07-03 9:40 AM
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All snarkiness and snideness aside for a moment.

I have seen a LOT of really good forums with topics I'm very interested in fold because they branched out with too many specific subforums.

Just as a for instance, take a car forum:

Non-horsepower adding mods
Horsepower adding mods.

a whole buttload of threads in both, very relevant to stuff I'm trying to do and threads about things I never knew existed. Your idea came to someone within this board and we ended up with


body modification - 99-05
body modification - 06-09
engine modification - appearance 99-03
engine modification - appearance 04-06
engine modification - appearance 06-09
engine mod - performance ...
engine mod - OEM replacement...
wheel mods -
interior mods ...
electrical mods ...
schematics ...

The board shut down after about 6 months. Most of the same people/usernames I see on another board with a whole lot fewer forums.

Hell, even here I don't know the difference between tri talk and gear talk considering the threads posted in each. I understand why they're different subforums but they've become pretty close to the same thing.

Just my take on a handful of boards I've seen.

2012-07-03 9:43 AM
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I think it's ok as is.  When a thread's subject is appropriately titled, it's easy to just ignore the ones I don't want to read.  

At least until I notice it getting to page 3 or 4 and then I have to check it out in case it's something juicy.  

I'll be sure to title all my threads "Hot triathlon coeds in their birthday suit" to get more responses next timeLaughing

2012-07-03 9:44 AM
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mktoson - 2012-07-03 10:34 AM

I don't think we need a new forum and I don't think it would get a lot of traffic if we had one.  Lets face it...as much as I enjoy BT the vast majority of the post are feel good post.  Not very often is the science of sport, endurance, nutritution discussed in detail.  Like most people, when I really want to know the why behind something, I just go to slowtwitch. 

Edit: Not to say that there are not knowledgeable resources here...but it just gets over run with a bunch of N=1 information. 

agree with that. i think since it's a beginner site, if you segmented the forums too much, i think that would inadvertantly divert the experienced posters away from  the inexperienced (ie: the ones who need the experienced ones to read and comment the most)

 

 

2012-07-03 9:45 AM
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DanielG - 2012-07-03 10:40 AM All snarkiness and snideness aside for a moment. I have seen a LOT of really good forums with topics I'm very interested in fold because they branched out with too many specific subforums. Just as a for instance, take a car forum: Non-horsepower adding mods Horsepower adding mods. a whole buttload of threads in both, very relevant to stuff I'm trying to do and threads about things I never knew existed. Your idea came to someone within this board and we ended up with body modification - 99-05 body modification - 06-09 engine modification - appearance 99-03 engine modification - appearance 04-06 engine modification - appearance 06-09 engine mod - performance ... engine mod - OEM replacement... wheel mods - interior mods ... electrical mods ... schematics ... The board shut down after about 6 months. Most of the same people/usernames I see on another board with a whole lot fewer forums. Hell, even here I don't know the difference between tri talk and gear talk considering the threads posted in each. I understand why they're different subforums but they've become pretty close to the same thing. Just my take on a handful of boards I've seen.

A valid point.  I was suggesting just one (additional) division, but I do appreciate the 'slippery slope' argument.

2012-07-03 9:46 AM
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2453V - 2012-07-03 8:26 AM I like it the way it is.  Keeps it active.  If you start separating out a number of different areas then not only do you need to look in different places for interesting threads but each of those areas will get less traffic than if its kept all together.  The way it is now you just hit refresh and see whats new.

I agree



2012-07-03 9:50 AM
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I don't think we need a new forum and I don't think it would get a lot of traffic if we had one.  Lets face it...as much as I enjoy BT the vast majority of the post are feel good post.  Not very often is the science of sport, endurance, nutritution discussed in detail.  Like most people, when I really want to know the why behind something, I just go to slowtwitch. 

Edit: Not to say that there are not knowledgeable resources here...but it just gets over run with a bunch of N=1 information. 

agree with that. i think since it's a beginner site, if you segmented the forums too much, i think that would inadvertantly divert the experienced posters away from  the inexperienced (ie: the ones who need the experienced ones to read and comment the most

I get your worry.  I think that an argument could be made in the other direction.  There are several very experienced, knowledgeable, fantastic, helpful, people on this site who almost never post in the main forum because they are interested only in training-related posts and don't like wading through the rest.  There are others who used to post a lot, but don't anymore, largely for the same reason.  I'm not speculating here -- I've spoken with them (in the internet sense of 'spoken').  Sometimes skimming subject lines is enough, and sometimes the subject line or even the post itself fools you about what the OP is looking for.  After being burned enough times, they just stay away.

2012-07-03 9:52 AM
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I think it's good as it is. I check the other pages on this site about once per every 5 visits. And take a look at tritalk itself, you have posts that are still on the first page from yesterday's working hours. I don't know why the turnover has slowed, but if you take a bunch of topics out to another page then you will have a pretty stagnate section. Just my opinion though.
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DanielG - 2012-07-03 9:40 AM All snarkiness and snideness aside for a moment. I have seen a LOT of really good forums with topics I'm very interested in fold because they branched out with too many specific subforums. Just as a for instance, take a car forum: Non-horsepower adding mods Horsepower adding mods. a whole buttload of threads in both, very relevant to stuff I'm trying to do and threads about things I never knew existed. Your idea came to someone within this board and we ended up with body modification - 99-05 body modification - 06-09 engine modification - appearance 99-03 engine modification - appearance 04-06 engine modification - appearance 06-09 engine mod - performance ... engine mod - OEM replacement... wheel mods - interior mods ... electrical mods ... schematics ... The board shut down after about 6 months. Most of the same people/usernames I see on another board with a whole lot fewer forums. Hell, even here I don't know the difference between tri talk and gear talk considering the threads posted in each. I understand why they're different subforums but they've become pretty close to the same thing. Just my take on a handful of boards I've seen.

 

This is spot on.

 

When a board starts branching out into multiple sub-forums for general discussion - one of two things happens.

 

1)  People ignore the new forums after a month and end up staying in one forum anyway.

2)  People get spread out over a few forums on a site - the discussion dies down - and eventually people move on and the board dies.

You need a MASSIVE community to be able to keep multiple forums active over time - and BT isn't anywhere near the size you need to be (I'm talking something like ign.com - where they can divide a ton of forums throughout each video game they support...).  I've yet to see a community of this size be able to post consistently over several subforums and keep the community going.  Just the way it is.

 

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I agree with DanielG. I understand the need for subforums to a point, but how granular do you want to go? Heaven forbid someone posted in the Trisport forum when they should have been in running specific. I like where the forums are and if you make it too granular, sure it would be easy to find something, IF! everyone used the correct forum. Otherwise you will have to search in each one to find what they are looking for. Just my 2c.
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I don't think we need a new forum and I don't think it would get a lot of traffic if we had one.  Lets face it...as much as I enjoy BT the vast majority of the post are feel good post.  Not very often is the science of sport, endurance, nutritution discussed in detail.  Like most people, when I really want to know the why behind something, I just go to slowtwitch. 

Edit: Not to say that there are not knowledgeable resources here...but it just gets over run with a bunch of N=1 information. 

agree with that. i think since it's a beginner site, if you segmented the forums too much, i think that would inadvertantly divert the experienced posters away from  the inexperienced (ie: the ones who need the experienced ones to read and comment the most)

 

 

I agree with the bolded parts and in fact I think that's already happened here.  Now it's often beginners helping beginners in the main forums and all the best discussions on the site are now found in the mentor threads.



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Maybe not a new forum, but a new and more sophisticated way of searching for previous threads by topic.  That way questions that get asked over and over and generally have the same answers are not repeated as much.  When I first got on here and had a bunch of noob questions, I could never find what I was looking for with the search engine.  If it was too general, it would overload and fail.  Too specific and nothing would come up.  It's just not the most user friendly.
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DanielG - 2012-07-03 9:40 AM All snarkiness and snideness aside for a moment. I have seen a LOT of really good forums with topics I'm very interested in fold because they branched out with too many specific subforums. Just as a for instance, take a car forum: Non-horsepower adding mods Horsepower adding mods. a whole buttload of threads in both, very relevant to stuff I'm trying to do and threads about things I never knew existed. Your idea came to someone within this board and we ended up with body modification - 99-05 body modification - 06-09 engine modification - appearance 99-03 engine modification - appearance 04-06 engine modification - appearance 06-09 engine mod - performance ... engine mod - OEM replacement... wheel mods - interior mods ... electrical mods ... schematics ... The board shut down after about 6 months. Most of the same people/usernames I see on another board with a whole lot fewer forums. Hell, even here I don't know the difference between tri talk and gear talk considering the threads posted in each. I understand why they're different subforums but they've become pretty close to the same thing. Just my take on a handful of boards I've seen.

I agree with this, the general spirit being, "KEEP IT SIMPLE".  This forum is robust enough to capture a good breadth of topics without creating an overwhelming set of threads to sift through.  If you look at the most current comment posted in each thread on the right-hand, it goes back to yesterday afternoon (that is, the thread at the very bottom of page 1 has not been commented on since then and the time from then to now includes some high traffic periods (evening after work and morning log-in)).  There are enough people logging on that, for most topics, if anyone has something new to say or if there is still a discussion/debate going, the thread will likely remain on page one . . . and it takes less than 30 seconds to scan down the list of topics.



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I don't think branching out would help the site develop.  Here's a good example with the existing site.  I asked a question in the equipment section and got a few responses.  Almost the exact same question was asked in the Tri Talk forum and there were many more responses.  Perhaps the other forums we already have don't get the traffic that we would expect.
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So maybe reorganization?  Just two (or maybe three) tri-related forums:  training-specific, general (and maybe keep the IM/HIM forum)?  Total number of sub-forums would then be the same or lower.
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