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2012-12-21 11:16 AM

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2012-12-21 11:25 AM
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Not much to discuss, i dont think anyone expected anything different from the NRA....
2012-12-21 11:27 AM
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What do you think of the proposal? Not a fan myself... I don't see it happening. I HOPE it doesn't happen....
2012-12-21 11:30 AM
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Why would you be against this? Besides giving the people in the school a chance. It could create alot of jobs for veterans/citizens by increasing the police force size or creating a new force. Uniforms would have to be made, contracts for gun manufacturers.

I understand people might want to shelter their kids from something like this, but something must be done.

2012-12-21 11:30 AM
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It wont acomplish anything, just a grandiose idea to say they are tackling the problem.   Is one armed security guard or cop guarding an entire school goign to prevent this from happening again?  With the class sizes now days worst could happen before even the security officer finds out whats happening.

Next time, and i hope there isnt one, the ones will be to placed 2, then 3, then 4....I guess that represents more gun sales

2012-12-21 11:33 AM
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On one side, you have Joe Biden leading a group to decide how to put more laws in place to keep guns out of the hands of people who then have to follow those laws.

On the other, you have a plan, funded by the NRA, to put a trained person with a weapon at schools to protect kids from people who don't follow the current or new laws.



2012-12-21 11:33 AM
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So the group that lobbies for companies that sell guns is saying we need more guns.

I sit here, shocked and outraged.
2012-12-21 11:39 AM
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GomesBolt - 2012-12-21 12:33 PM On one side, you have Joe Biden leading a group to decide how to put more laws in place to keep guns out of the hands of people who then have to follow those laws.

On the other, you have a plan, funded by the NRA, to put a trained person with a weapon at schools to protect kids from people who don't follow the current or new laws.

What are they paying for?

2012-12-21 11:40 AM
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mkarr0110 - 2012-12-21 12:30 PM

Why would you be against this? Besides giving the people in the school a chance. It could create alot of jobs for veterans/citizens by increasing the police force size or creating a new force. Uniforms would have to be made, contracts for gun manufacturers.

I understand people might want to shelter their kids from something like this, but something must be done.



Mainly because I don't want to live in a world where my kids have to walk past armed guards to go to school.

But on a more practical note - where are all these armed guards going to come from and who is going to pay for them? Local school boards? State, federal or local government? How are the guards going to be trained and screened?

And why just stop at schools? What about colleges and universities? What about shopping malls, movie theaters, Broadway shows, the opera... why not put armed guards there, too?

I guess I shouldn't be surprised that the solution for the NRA (and the gun manufacturers who provide most of their funding) would center around more guns, not fewer.
2012-12-21 11:47 AM
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Even if you think this is a good idea...who is paying for this? The NRA did not say anything about funding the whole program. So now you are asking counties or cities, which are cutting education spending left and right, to pay for this? If its volunteers, who protects them in case of lawsuits, wrongful deaths, etc?

2012-12-21 11:51 AM
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Samyg - 2012-12-21 11:47 AM

Even if you think this is a good idea...who is paying for this? The NRA did not say anything about funding the whole program. So now you are asking counties or cities, which are cutting education spending left and right, to pay for this? If its volunteers, who protects them in case of lawsuits, wrongful deaths, etc?



It'd have to come from defense spending since it's not actually education related.


2012-12-21 11:57 AM
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Apparently, Columbine had an armed guard.

2012-12-21 11:58 AM
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Well, I don't think their idea will work any better than removing guns from the hands of stable law abiding citizens. So, both sides of the issue have proposed bone headed solutions to the problem. Next?

2012-12-21 11:58 AM
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Yeah.. So I want my little children to walk into a school past the armed guard while wearing their armored backpack and checking it through the metal detector so they feel safe.  Safe that if and when the bad guy shows up, the armed guard can blow his head all over the bricks outside before he gets in to kill the children..  While we're at it, let's put a few of those big gatlin gun type things on all of the busses...
2012-12-21 12:00 PM
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I heard a couple of minutes of the address on the radio. What struck me was the comment that "Guns protect the president". Wait - isn't the NRA position that guns don't kill people, people kill people? So do guns protect the prez or do people protect him?
2012-12-21 12:01 PM
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Jackasses


2012-12-21 12:02 PM
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gearboy - 2012-12-21 12:00 PM I heard a couple of minutes of the address on the radio. What struck me was the comment that "Guns protect the president". Wait - isn't the NRA position that guns don't kill people, people kill people? So do guns protect the prez or do people protect him?

People with guns protect the president. Glad to have been able to clear that up for ya. Merry Christmas GB.

2012-12-21 12:04 PM
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Wow, it looks like I'm the only one who read past the headline.

"Former Congressman Asa Hutchinson will lead this effort as National Director of the National School Shield Program, with a budget provided by the NRA of whatever scope the task requires."
2012-12-21 12:06 PM
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GomesBolt - 2012-12-21 1:04 PM

Wow, it looks like I'm the only one who read past the headline.

"Former Congressman Asa Hutchinson will lead this effort as National Director of the National School Shield Program, with a budget provided by the NRA of whatever scope the task requires."


I interpreted that as funding to administer and get such a program up and running. I have a hard time believing the NRA is going to pay armed guards in every single school in the USA....
2012-12-21 12:08 PM
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SoberTriGuy - 2012-12-21 10:58 AM Yeah.. So I want my little children to walk into a school past the armed guard while wearing their armored backpack and checking it through the metal detector so they feel safe.  Safe that if and when the bad guy shows up, the armed guard can blow his head all over the bricks outside before he gets in to kill the children..  While we're at it, let's put a few of those big gatlin gun type things on all of the busses...

Or we can just make it impossible for law abiding citizens to get ahold of guns but really do nothing that prevents someone who has already chosen to break the law from obtaining a gun and shooting up a school. Do you really think that criminals follow gun control laws?

I would rather have someone on scene who can respond in under 5 minutes than rely on the police who can take a while. I think if the parents at Sandy Hook were given the choice between having their kid walk past someone with a gun or be shot by a lunatic with a gun they would choose the former every time. 

And it is a bit sensationalist to portray heavily armed guards in fatigues carrying M4's and grenades rather than imagining a plain clothes security guard with a concealed handgun. In reality the kids would probably never notice the difference. 

2012-12-21 12:12 PM
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I personally hate guns, and would prefer a country that's free of them. However, if nothing can be done to regulate them more effectively, putting armed guards in strategic locations is completely logical.

The broader question is, of course, does society really want this?


2012-12-21 12:15 PM
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I am a proud owner of 3 guns.

None of my guns would most likely ever be banned by laws or restrictions.

I never belonged to the NRA, nor will I ever join, nor would I ever give them my money.

This gun owner doesn't believe in the tactics or message of the NRA.  And I don't believe I'm unique in being a gun-owning, anti-NRA individual.  I think their ideas are warped and wrong.  I think their "house of cards" argument has been used for centuries for combating things like communism and gay marriage and they always turn out to be wrong.  I think Wayne LaPierre and the rest of the NRA leadership are idiots.

Banning magazines or guns that can hold above 16 rounds, armor-piercing ammunition, and weapons that could be easily converted to fully automatic, wouldn't affect or bother me one bit.  I believe in an individual's rights to purchase a legal gun, but also that a thorough background check, mental health exam, household exam (if anyone else living in the home wouldn't qualify), and even a practical exam, is perfectly fine by me.  If it takes you a month to get a gun, then it takes you a month.  What if Adam Landa's mother were banned from keeping a gun in her home because of who her son was?  There are tighter restrictions on getting a driver's license in some states.

And I don't think these types of restrictions would lead down a "slippery slope" or a "house of cards" to where the government would be searching homes and confiscating any and all firearms.

 

2012-12-21 12:17 PM
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Aarondb4 - 2012-12-21 12:08 PM

SoberTriGuy - 2012-12-21 10:58 AM Yeah.. So I want my little children to walk into a school past the armed guard while wearing their armored backpack and checking it through the metal detector so they feel safe.  Safe that if and when the bad guy shows up, the armed guard can blow his head all over the bricks outside before he gets in to kill the children..  While we're at it, let's put a few of those big gatlin gun type things on all of the busses...

Or we can just make it impossible for law abiding citizens to get ahold of guns but really do nothing that prevents someone who has already chosen to break the law from obtaining a gun and shooting up a school. Do you really think that criminals follow gun control laws?

I would rather have someone on scene who can respond in under 5 minutes than rely on the police who can take a while. I think if the parents at Sandy Hook were given the choice between having their kid walk past someone with a gun or be shot by a lunatic with a gun they would choose the former every time. 

And it is a bit sensationalist to portray heavily armed guards in fatigues carrying M4's and grenades rather than imagining a plain clothes security guard with a concealed handgun. In reality the kids would probably never notice the difference. 

Duly noted, still against it.  I also said nothing about criminals following the law. 

2012-12-21 12:23 PM
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Ok, more from the transcript:


"Under Asa's leadership, our team of security experts will make this the best program in the world for protecting our children at school, and we will make that program available to every school in America free of charge."

Seriously, read it. I know you're anxious to say anything from the NRA is stupid. But he makes some good points.

It sounds like the NRA is taking a direct step to put themselves out there as responsible to stop this madness and you are calling them stupid.
2012-12-21 12:25 PM
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Plenty of school districts already have a police force, this isn't that much of a stretch. 
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