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2013-02-18 11:05 AM
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Firearms?
2013-02-18 11:07 AM
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2013-02-18 11:09 AM
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Because the regs put on Sudafed sales have eliminated methamphetamine use?
2013-02-18 11:12 AM
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Regulating who gets a driver's license has eliminated drunk driving deaths?
2013-02-18 11:16 AM
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The ammo one I think is just meant to be a flame and for the auto one a few of the points are already addressed in CA. You have to pass a basic safety test ever 5 years for hand guns and you do get a background check on any sales except for gun shows.

The basic difference is one is out in public interacting with others and one is in your personal space and is a protected freedom. When you get into CCW you do have to do a lot more up carry around in public and in CA it’s almost impossible without being someone famous or transporting money.



2013-02-18 11:20 AM
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We should license cars ... yackyackyack

I see that the gun grabbers have resurrected the old "We license cars, so why can't we license guns?" meme.

I tell you what -- every time you hear a gun grabber snivel about licensing guns like cars, call him a liar to his face.

I would absolutely love to license guns just like we do cars and drivers -- for the same reason that every gun grabber who suggests it is lying through his or her snaggle teeth.

Think about it.

We give a drivers license to every seventeen-year-old high school student who can pass a lowest-common-denominator Drivers Ed course. A course that can be successfully passed by a lobotomized chimpanzee.

In a large percentage of cases, we give drivers licenses to 16 year-old kids who state that they have a particular hardship.

Tell me, Mr or Ms. Gun Grabber, that you want to license guns just like cars. You'll give a gun license to every 17 year-old who wants one -- just like a drivers license.

Any person who possesses a drivers license can drive on any public road on any state in the Union. They can drive on school grounds, they can drive on college campuses, and they can drive to any courthouse in the Union.

Tell me, Gun Grabber, that you want to license guns just like cars. You'll let anyone with a gun license carry a gun anywhere they want to, in every State in the Union -- just like a drivers license.

Drivers licenses issued by one State must be honoured by all other States. Anyone with a Texas Drivers License can drive any car he (or she) wants to, anywhere in New York City that he can fit. And the New York authorities don't have a thing to say about the matter.

Tell me, Gun Grabber, that you want to license guns just like cars. You'll let any 17 year-old cowboy from Bugscuffle, West Texas carry his gun anywhere he wants to in New York and tell the New York authorities they can't do anything about it -- just like a drivers license.

If you get caught driving a car without your drivers license, you get a $90 traffic ticket that comes off your record in three years.

Tell me that you want to license guns just like cars. Tell me that if that Texas cowpoke is visiting Chicago, and gets caught carrying his gun without his license, he gets a traffic citation -- just like a drivers license.

No one must undergo a background check to get a license, any felon can get a drivers license, no mental checks are required for a drivers license.

Tell me again that you want to license guns just like cars. You'll let everyone -- 17 to 70, felons, no mental checks, pay your money, take your test, here's your gun license -- just like a drivers license.

If I'm on private property, I don't even need a driver license to drive any car I want to, the only limit to the number of cars I can possess is the size of my bank account, I can buy as many cars at once as my wallet can stand, and I can buy a car off a street corner in Compton today, another from a back-yard in New York tomorrow, I can import cars as many as a I want, from any country
that I want, and I can sell or trade any or all of them to anyone I want -- and the Federal Government doesn't have word one to say about the matter.

I build any car I want to -- with no Federal permission; I can modify, cut-down, trick-out, customize or skeletonize any car I want to without so much as a "Yes", "No", "Boo", "Kiss my arse" or "By your leave" from the Federal Government.

Tell me, Mr or Ms. Gun Control, that you really want to treat guns just like cars. Tell me that your "gun license" that is "just like we license cars" will let us treat guns just exactly like we treat cars.

2013-02-18 11:23 AM
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Oh, you're also missing a, I guess, minor point that it's illegal to create a registration scheme after 1986:

USC › Title 18 › Part I › Chapter 44 › § 926
No such rule or regulation prescribed after the date of the enactment of the Firearms Owners’ Protection Act may require that records required to be maintained under this chapter or any portion of the contents of such records, be recorded at or transferred to a facility owned, managed, or controlled by the United States or any State or any political subdivision thereof, nor that any system of registration of firearms, firearms owners, or firearms transactions or dispositions be established. Nothing in this section expands or restricts the Secretary’s [1] authority to inquire into the disposition of any firearm in the course of a criminal investigation.
2013-02-18 11:24 AM
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AcesFull - 2013-02-18 10:07 AM Oops, left off the pretty pictures.  I understand people having all sorts of objections to guns being banned or 2nd Amendment rights being limited, but I don't understand objections to common sense regulations like the ones we have on cars or Sudafed.

Well then, before you post this... please show ID, pass a test to show you are worthy, carry insurance in case you offend anyone, pay associated fees, renew every year, and then yes... we will deem you worthy of exercising a right you were given when you drew your first breath.

2013-02-18 11:25 AM
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I am not too adverse to requiring training and pos registration. However, I just purchased my first handgun in order to get such training, so I suppose we are looking at a chicken and egg effect.

If firearms are cars, then ammo would be gasoline. No ID or limits apply to fuel, so I don't buy the ammo regulations.



2013-02-18 11:28 AM
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bootygirl - 2013-02-18 9:25 AM I am not too adverse to requiring training and pos registration. However, I just purchased my first handgun in order to get such training, so I suppose we are looking at a chicken and egg effect.

If firearms are cars, then ammo would be gasoline. No ID or limits apply to fuel, so I don't buy the ammo regulations.



This is a very good point and what I was getting at with my post but you said it much better than I could.



2013-02-18 11:31 AM
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Yeah, you know, I'd have given a gun to any of the 12- and 13-year-olds who were in my hunters' safety course long before I'd have given a drivers' license to half of my sophomore high school class...
2013-02-18 11:32 AM
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bootygirl - 2013-02-18 10:25 AM I am not too adverse to requiring training and pos registration. However, I just purchased my first handgun in order to get such training, so I suppose we are looking at a chicken and egg effect.

If firearms are cars, then ammo would be gasoline. No ID or limits apply to fuel, so I don't buy the ammo regulations.



Rational comparisons have no place in this discussion young lady.

2013-02-18 11:40 AM
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DanielG - 2013-02-18 12:20 PM

In a large percentage of cases, we give drivers licenses to 16 year-old kids who state that they have a particular hardship. Tell me, Mr or Ms. Gun Grabber, that you want to license guns just like cars. You'll give a gun license to every 17 year-old who wants one -- just like a drivers license.

Most states allow 16 year olds to get a drivers license after passing the same driving test as a 17 or 18+ year old.  A 16 year old who has taken driver's ed doesn't have to take the driving test (all 18 year olds do even if they have taken driver's ed at 15/16).

Any person who possesses a drivers license can drive on any public road on any state in the Union. They can drive on school grounds, they can drive on college campuses, and they can drive to any courthouse in the Union. Tell me, Gun Grabber, that you want to license guns just like cars. You'll let anyone with a gun license carry a gun anywhere they want to, in every State in the Union -- just like a drivers license. Drivers licenses issued by one State must be honoured by all other States. Anyone with a Texas Drivers License can drive any car he (or she) wants to, anywhere in New York City that he can fit. And the New York authorities don't have a thing to say about the matter. Tell me, Gun Grabber, that you want to license guns just like cars. You'll let any 17 year-old cowboy from Bugscuffle, West Texas carry his gun anywhere he wants to in New York and tell the New York authorities they can't do anything about it -- just like a drivers license.

You mean just like marriage licenses?  If two of my female friends are married here in Mass, Texas has to honour it EXACTLY as MA does?

2013-02-18 11:47 AM
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powerman - 2013-02-18 11:32 AM

bootygirl - 2013-02-18 10:25 AM I am not too adverse to requiring training and pos registration. However, I just purchased my first handgun in order to get such training, so I suppose we are looking at a chicken and egg effect.

If firearms are cars, then ammo would be gasoline. No ID or limits apply to fuel, so I don't buy the ammo regulations.



Rational comparisons have no place in this discussion young lady.

But I'm just getting started! So is there going to be a shooter's license and a registration for each gun? I mean, if I have a drivers licsence and do not own a car, I can still drive someone else's legally on public roads.On the NV vehicle registration application, there is no mandate of providing a drivers license. So you can own a registered vehicle and not be legally able to drive it on public roads. Eggs. Chickens. Everywhere. Ps- isn't anyone going to ask me what I bought?

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2013-02-18 11:48 AM
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What would this accomplish?



2013-02-18 11:53 AM
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scorpio516 - 2013-02-18 12:40 PM

You mean just like marriage licenses?  If two of my female friends are married here in Mass, Texas has to honour it EXACTLY as MA does?



Sure. I really don't care either way. Sounds good to me. Although I see guns being compared to cars as the topic and nothing about marriage in any way, shape or form. If you feel the need to bring another topic into the discussion, I guess you cede the one already going.

2013-02-18 11:55 AM
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bootygirl - 2013-02-18 10:47 AM
powerman - 2013-02-18 11:32 AM

bootygirl - 2013-02-18 10:25 AM I am not too adverse to requiring training and pos registration. However, I just purchased my first handgun in order to get such training, so I suppose we are looking at a chicken and egg effect.

If firearms are cars, then ammo would be gasoline. No ID or limits apply to fuel, so I don't buy the ammo regulations.



Rational comparisons have no place in this discussion young lady.

But I'm just getting started! So is there going to be a shooter's license and a registration for each gun? I mean, if I have a drivers licsence and do not own a car, I can still drive someone else's legally on public roads.On the NV vehicle registration application, there is no mandate of providing a drivers license. So you can own a registered vehicle and not be legally able to drive it on public roads. Eggs. Chickens. Everywhere. Ps- isn't anyone going to ask me what I bought?

Heck ya, what did you get?

I would tell you what I got, but I'm afraid it might be confiscated. All I can say is it is black, and it is evil.Smile

2013-02-18 11:56 AM
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bootygirl - 2013-02-18 12:25 PM

I am not too adverse to requiring training and pos registration.


I am. Registration is federally illegal.

bootygirl - 2013-02-18 12:25 PM
However, I just purchased my first handgun in order to get such training, so I suppose we are looking at a chicken and egg effect.

If firearms are cars, then ammo would be gasoline. No ID or limits apply to fuel, so I don't buy the ammo regulations.





Plus the fact that reloading your own ammo eliminates the need to buy any so that restriction is only for those who do not reload.

2013-02-18 12:00 PM
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DanielG - 2013-02-18 10:56 AM
bootygirl - 2013-02-18 12:25 PM I am not too adverse to requiring training and pos registration.
I am. Registration is federally illegal.
bootygirl - 2013-02-18 12:25 PM However, I just purchased my first handgun in order to get such training, so I suppose we are looking at a chicken and egg effect.

If firearms are cars, then ammo would be gasoline. No ID or limits apply to fuel, so I don't buy the ammo regulations.



Plus the fact that reloading your own ammo eliminates the need to buy any so that restriction is only for those who do not reload.

Well then obviously we have to ban hand loading. Duh. So do we ban the powder, or the projectile? If we ban the powder, do we have to ban fireworks? If we ban the projectile, do we ban lead? Can we still use wooden bullets for vampires? What about Werewolves? Or is it only illegal if the case powder primer and projectile are together? Well then what about construction nails.... oh crap, what about nail guns... do we limit nail strips.... this is getting complicated.



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2013-02-18 12:04 PM
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powerman - 2013-02-18 1:00 PM

Well then obviously we have to ban hand loading. Duh. So do we ban the powder, or the projectile? If we ban the powder, do we have to ban fireworks? If we ban the projectile, do we ban lead? Can we still use wooden bullets for vampires? What about Werewolves? Or is it only illegal if the case powder primer and projectile are together? Well then what about construction nails.... oh crap, what about nail guns... do we limit nail strips.... this is getting complicated.



Exactly my point. Anyone who has ever recommended tax, restriction or other hindrance to purchasing ammunition has done little to no research into the topic.



2013-02-18 12:06 PM
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DanielG - 2013-02-18 11:04 AM
powerman - 2013-02-18 1:00 PM

Well then obviously we have to ban hand loading. Duh. So do we ban the powder, or the projectile? If we ban the powder, do we have to ban fireworks? If we ban the projectile, do we ban lead? Can we still use wooden bullets for vampires? What about Werewolves? Or is it only illegal if the case powder primer and projectile are together? Well then what about construction nails.... oh crap, what about nail guns... do we limit nail strips.... this is getting complicated.

Exactly my point. Anyone who has ever recommended tax, restriction or other hindrance to purchasing ammunition has done little to no research into the topic.

But Daniel... they are scared... we have to do something.



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2013-02-18 12:07 PM
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powerman - 2013-02-18 11:55 AM
bootygirl - 2013-02-18 10:47 AM
powerman - 2013-02-18 11:32 AM

bootygirl - 2013-02-18 10:25 AM I am not too adverse to requiring training and pos registration. However, I just purchased my first handgun in order to get such training, so I suppose we are looking at a chicken and egg effect.

If firearms are cars, then ammo would be gasoline. No ID or limits apply to fuel, so I don't buy the ammo regulations.



Rational comparisons have no place in this discussion young lady.

But I'm just getting started! So is there going to be a shooter's license and a registration for each gun? I mean, if I have a drivers licsence and do not own a car, I can still drive someone else's legally on public roads.On the NV vehicle registration application, there is no mandate of providing a drivers license. So you can own a registered vehicle and not be legally able to drive it on public roads. Eggs. Chickens. Everywhere. Ps- isn't anyone going to ask me what I bought?

Heck ya, what did you get?

I would tell you what I got, but I'm afraid it might be confiscated. All I can say is it is black, and it is evil.Smile

Good point. I will PM you.I considered reserecting the "Ladies - Show us your guns" thread but didn't.
2013-02-18 12:19 PM
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DanielG - 2013-02-18 9:23 AM Oh, you're also missing a, I guess, minor point that it's illegal to create a registration scheme after 1986: USC › Title 18 › Part I › Chapter 44 › § 926
No such rule or regulation prescribed after the date of the enactment of the Firearms Owners’ Protection Act may require that records required to be maintained under this chapter or any portion of the contents of such records, be recorded at or transferred to a facility owned, managed, or controlled by the United States or any State or any political subdivision thereof, nor that any system of registration of firearms, firearms owners, or firearms transactions or dispositions be established. Nothing in this section expands or restricts the Secretary’s [1] authority to inquire into the disposition of any firearm in the course of a criminal investigation.

Your first post was missing the entire point.

The idea is to enforce liability for gun ownership.  No we can't take all the guns off the market - I will fully agree with Left Brain on that.  There are too many out there already.  What we can do is make sure that people are taking proper precautions with the guns they DO own.

The ones who leave weapons unsecured to be stolen, played with by a child, or whatever other irresponsible thing you can think of: those cause far more deaths every year than assault weapons.  And those actions should be dealt with.  Licensing also implies background checks on *every* sale, even person to person, since it would be tracked just like an auto sale.

As for the law you cited: aren't we talking about Congress changing the law anyhow?

2013-02-18 12:24 PM
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DanielG - 2013-02-18 10:20 AM We should license cars ... yackyackyack I see that the gun grabbers have resurrected the old "We license cars, so why can't we license guns?" meme. I tell you what -- every time you hear a gun grabber snivel about licensing guns like cars, call him a liar to his face. I would absolutely love to license guns just like we do cars and drivers -- for the same reason that every gun grabber who suggests it is lying through his or her snaggle teeth. Think about it. We give a drivers license to every seventeen-year-old high school student who can pass a lowest-common-denominator Drivers Ed course. A course that can be successfully passed by a lobotomized chimpanzee. In a large percentage of cases, we give drivers licenses to 16 year-old kids who state that they have a particular hardship. Tell me, Mr or Ms. Gun Grabber, that you want to license guns just like cars. You'll give a gun license to every 17 year-old who wants one -- just like a drivers license. Any person who possesses a drivers license can drive on any public road on any state in the Union. They can drive on school grounds, they can drive on college campuses, and they can drive to any courthouse in the Union. Tell me, Gun Grabber, that you want to license guns just like cars. You'll let anyone with a gun license carry a gun anywhere they want to, in every State in the Union -- just like a drivers license. Drivers licenses issued by one State must be honoured by all other States. Anyone with a Texas Drivers License can drive any car he (or she) wants to, anywhere in New York City that he can fit. And the New York authorities don't have a thing to say about the matter. Tell me, Gun Grabber, that you want to license guns just like cars. You'll let any 17 year-old cowboy from Bugscuffle, West Texas carry his gun anywhere he wants to in New York and tell the New York authorities they can't do anything about it -- just like a drivers license. If you get caught driving a car without your drivers license, you get a $90 traffic ticket that comes off your record in three years. Tell me that you want to license guns just like cars. Tell me that if that Texas cowpoke is visiting Chicago, and gets caught carrying his gun without his license, he gets a traffic citation -- just like a drivers license. No one must undergo a background check to get a license, any felon can get a drivers license, no mental checks are required for a drivers license. Tell me again that you want to license guns just like cars. You'll let everyone -- 17 to 70, felons, no mental checks, pay your money, take your test, here's your gun license -- just like a drivers license. If I'm on private property, I don't even need a driver license to drive any car I want to, the only limit to the number of cars I can possess is the size of my bank account, I can buy as many cars at once as my wallet can stand, and I can buy a car off a street corner in Compton today, another from a back-yard in New York tomorrow, I can import cars as many as a I want, from any country that I want, and I can sell or trade any or all of them to anyone I want -- and the Federal Government doesn't have word one to say about the matter. I build any car I want to -- with no Federal permission; I can modify, cut-down, trick-out, customize or skeletonize any car I want to without so much as a "Yes", "No", "Boo", "Kiss my arse" or "By your leave" from the Federal Government. Tell me, Mr or Ms. Gun Control, that you really want to treat guns just like cars. Tell me that your "gun license" that is "just like we license cars" will let us treat guns just exactly like we treat cars.

I'm a left-winger....BUT...I get this argument.  ^^^  Well Done. 

(However, I'm still a left-winger....DUCK! Black Heleicopter!)

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