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This reminds me of the real estate/mortgage crisis, and things swelled to a huge bubble, then burst. There were regulations however in place, unlike with this scenario ...but people manipulated the rules, and committed fraud. Same thing here...this has had to reach a fever pitch before people clamp down.

This was an eye opening article, appreciate you posting it...I didn't realize that this was ''exempt'' from traditional regulations.

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there is manipulation in every aspect of the financial industry. you would think that the SEC would hammer these guys but they continue to find more and more ways to manipulate the markets...be it the mortgage/S&L, currency trading, or high frequency trading. There are times i have profited from the manipulation in equities. just watch Apple stock lately. These damn MM's have weekly options pinned and you can pretty count on Friday the stock will close lower than the price mid-week. Doesn't matter how well the company is doing these guys are controlling the stock price. Even today when their is big news with the China deal the stock is struggling to hold a modest 3 percent gain. It's a crime and I would love to see people punished for this garbage. But they continue to get away with it. How many people were indicted with this last mortgage fraud...zero.

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Well they do go to court sometimes.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-12-16/goldman-sachs-aluminum-ant...

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Originally posted by chirunner134

Well they do go to court sometimes.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-12-16/goldman-sachs-aluminum-ant...

They got to court A LOT. The problem is, they just factor it in as a price of doing business. Why would you care about a $200m fine when you make $1B?

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yeah I agree. No real reason not too. Girl steals $150 and goes to jail for the rest of her life. I still 1 Billion and I get to keep most of it.

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Originally posted by SGirl This reminds me of the real estate/mortgage crisis, and things swelled to a huge bubble, then burst. There were regulations however in place, unlike with this scenario ...but people manipulated the rules, and committed fraud. Same thing here...this has had to reach a fever pitch before people clamp down. This was an eye opening article, appreciate you posting it...I didn't realize that this was ''exempt'' from traditional regulations.

Most "experts" don't see it that way at all and don't feel that stocks are overvalued. Yes, there are a few skeptics and doom and gloomers......and all they missed out on was a near 30% run this year. I read a ton.....and all I keep coming away with is that the market will keep going up, albeit a bit slower than this year. I'll say it again.....with the FED stocking the fire you're crazy not to get in.....they're TELLING you they will continue.

This doesn't feel anything liek the mortgage crisis, when everyday you got 3 or 4 pieces of mail wanting to loan money at cheap rates.....I don't know who thought that was sustainable, but I don't see that happening now.

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Originally posted by Left Brain

Originally posted by SGirl This reminds me of the real estate/mortgage crisis, and things swelled to a huge bubble, then burst. There were regulations however in place, unlike with this scenario ...but people manipulated the rules, and committed fraud. Same thing here...this has had to reach a fever pitch before people clamp down. This was an eye opening article, appreciate you posting it...I didn't realize that this was ''exempt'' from traditional regulations.

Most "experts" don't see it that way at all and don't feel that stocks are overvalued. Yes, there are a few skeptics and doom and gloomers......and all they missed out on was a near 30% run this year. I read a ton.....and all I keep coming away with is that the market will keep going up, albeit a bit slower than this year. I'll say it again.....with the FED stocking the fire you're crazy not to get in.....they're TELLING you they will continue.

This doesn't feel anything liek the mortgage crisis, when everyday you got 3 or 4 pieces of mail wanting to loan money at cheap rates.....I don't know who thought that was sustainable, but I don't see that happening now.

I think there are plenty of signs out there that show there is little room for growth. Just look at the S&P 500 earnings growth by quarter, it's been leveling off quite a bit. The real issue though, is that none of this matters. It's all based off what the Fed is doing. Good news comes out? Stocks go down because investors think the Fed will taper. Bad news? Stocks go up because the Fed won't taper. It's becoming a giant casino with no real reason behind it anymore.

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Originally posted by JoshR

Originally posted by Left Brain

Originally posted by SGirl This reminds me of the real estate/mortgage crisis, and things swelled to a huge bubble, then burst. There were regulations however in place, unlike with this scenario ...but people manipulated the rules, and committed fraud. Same thing here...this has had to reach a fever pitch before people clamp down. This was an eye opening article, appreciate you posting it...I didn't realize that this was ''exempt'' from traditional regulations.

Most "experts" don't see it that way at all and don't feel that stocks are overvalued. Yes, there are a few skeptics and doom and gloomers......and all they missed out on was a near 30% run this year. I read a ton.....and all I keep coming away with is that the market will keep going up, albeit a bit slower than this year. I'll say it again.....with the FED stocking the fire you're crazy not to get in.....they're TELLING you they will continue.

This doesn't feel anything liek the mortgage crisis, when everyday you got 3 or 4 pieces of mail wanting to loan money at cheap rates.....I don't know who thought that was sustainable, but I don't see that happening now.

I think there are plenty of signs out there that show there is little room for growth. Just look at the S&P 500 earnings growth by quarter, it's been leveling off quite a bit. The real issue though, is that none of this matters. It's all based off what the Fed is doing. Good news comes out? Stocks go down because investors think the Fed will taper. Bad news? Stocks go up because the Fed won't taper. It's becoming a giant casino with no real reason behind it anymore.

Not exactly, the FED recently announced a taper,and the market likes it....because it's showing some sign of responsibility. I'm not gettignout of this market until I see a 7-15% drop over a few days.....and then I'm still way ahead of any other investment strategies right now. It seems crazy to me to sit this market out.

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Originally posted by Left Brain

Originally posted by JoshR

Originally posted by Left Brain

Originally posted by SGirl This reminds me of the real estate/mortgage crisis, and things swelled to a huge bubble, then burst. There were regulations however in place, unlike with this scenario ...but people manipulated the rules, and committed fraud. Same thing here...this has had to reach a fever pitch before people clamp down. This was an eye opening article, appreciate you posting it...I didn't realize that this was ''exempt'' from traditional regulations.

Most "experts" don't see it that way at all and don't feel that stocks are overvalued. Yes, there are a few skeptics and doom and gloomers......and all they missed out on was a near 30% run this year. I read a ton.....and all I keep coming away with is that the market will keep going up, albeit a bit slower than this year. I'll say it again.....with the FED stocking the fire you're crazy not to get in.....they're TELLING you they will continue.

This doesn't feel anything liek the mortgage crisis, when everyday you got 3 or 4 pieces of mail wanting to loan money at cheap rates.....I don't know who thought that was sustainable, but I don't see that happening now.

I think there are plenty of signs out there that show there is little room for growth. Just look at the S&P 500 earnings growth by quarter, it's been leveling off quite a bit. The real issue though, is that none of this matters. It's all based off what the Fed is doing. Good news comes out? Stocks go down because investors think the Fed will taper. Bad news? Stocks go up because the Fed won't taper. It's becoming a giant casino with no real reason behind it anymore.

Not exactly, the FED recently announced a taper,and the market likes it....because it's showing some sign of responsibility. I'm not gettignout of this market until I see a 7-15% drop over a few days.....and then I'm still way ahead of any other investment strategies right now. It seems crazy to me to sit this market out.

Instead of buying $1.08 trillion/year, the Fed is now ONLY buying $900 billion. If this is to be believed as well, there really was no taper.

http://www.aei.org/article/economics/monetary-policy/federal-reserv...

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Originally posted by JoshR

Originally posted by Left Brain

Originally posted by JoshR

Originally posted by Left Brain

Originally posted by SGirl This reminds me of the real estate/mortgage crisis, and things swelled to a huge bubble, then burst. There were regulations however in place, unlike with this scenario ...but people manipulated the rules, and committed fraud. Same thing here...this has had to reach a fever pitch before people clamp down. This was an eye opening article, appreciate you posting it...I didn't realize that this was ''exempt'' from traditional regulations.

Most "experts" don't see it that way at all and don't feel that stocks are overvalued. Yes, there are a few skeptics and doom and gloomers......and all they missed out on was a near 30% run this year. I read a ton.....and all I keep coming away with is that the market will keep going up, albeit a bit slower than this year. I'll say it again.....with the FED stocking the fire you're crazy not to get in.....they're TELLING you they will continue.

This doesn't feel anything liek the mortgage crisis, when everyday you got 3 or 4 pieces of mail wanting to loan money at cheap rates.....I don't know who thought that was sustainable, but I don't see that happening now.

I think there are plenty of signs out there that show there is little room for growth. Just look at the S&P 500 earnings growth by quarter, it's been leveling off quite a bit. The real issue though, is that none of this matters. It's all based off what the Fed is doing. Good news comes out? Stocks go down because investors think the Fed will taper. Bad news? Stocks go up because the Fed won't taper. It's becoming a giant casino with no real reason behind it anymore.

Not exactly, the FED recently announced a taper,and the market likes it....because it's showing some sign of responsibility. I'm not gettignout of this market until I see a 7-15% drop over a few days.....and then I'm still way ahead of any other investment strategies right now. It seems crazy to me to sit this market out.

Instead of buying $1.08 trillion/year, the Fed is now ONLY buying $900 billion. If this is to be believed as well, there really was no taper. http://www.aei.org/article/economics/monetary-policy/federal-reserv...

All I know is that you guys were preaching this same stuff last year at this time......and look where we are. I agree that sooner or later you're going to be right, that's how it works, but you're missing one of the biggest runs in history sitting around waiting for it all to collapse. Like I said, I don't get it......the FED is telling you they are going to keep themarket propped up.

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Originally posted by Left Brain

Originally posted by JoshR

Originally posted by Left Brain

Originally posted by JoshR

Originally posted by Left Brain

Originally posted by SGirl This reminds me of the real estate/mortgage crisis, and things swelled to a huge bubble, then burst. There were regulations however in place, unlike with this scenario ...but people manipulated the rules, and committed fraud. Same thing here...this has had to reach a fever pitch before people clamp down. This was an eye opening article, appreciate you posting it...I didn't realize that this was ''exempt'' from traditional regulations.

Most "experts" don't see it that way at all and don't feel that stocks are overvalued. Yes, there are a few skeptics and doom and gloomers......and all they missed out on was a near 30% run this year. I read a ton.....and all I keep coming away with is that the market will keep going up, albeit a bit slower than this year. I'll say it again.....with the FED stocking the fire you're crazy not to get in.....they're TELLING you they will continue.

This doesn't feel anything liek the mortgage crisis, when everyday you got 3 or 4 pieces of mail wanting to loan money at cheap rates.....I don't know who thought that was sustainable, but I don't see that happening now.

I think there are plenty of signs out there that show there is little room for growth. Just look at the S&P 500 earnings growth by quarter, it's been leveling off quite a bit. The real issue though, is that none of this matters. It's all based off what the Fed is doing. Good news comes out? Stocks go down because investors think the Fed will taper. Bad news? Stocks go up because the Fed won't taper. It's becoming a giant casino with no real reason behind it anymore.

Not exactly, the FED recently announced a taper,and the market likes it....because it's showing some sign of responsibility. I'm not gettignout of this market until I see a 7-15% drop over a few days.....and then I'm still way ahead of any other investment strategies right now. It seems crazy to me to sit this market out.

Instead of buying $1.08 trillion/year, the Fed is now ONLY buying $900 billion. If this is to be believed as well, there really was no taper. http://www.aei.org/article/economics/monetary-policy/federal-reserv...

All I know is that you guys were preaching this same stuff last year at this time......and look where we are. I agree that sooner or later you're going to be right, that's how it works, but you're missing one of the biggest runs in history sitting around waiting for it all to collapse. Like I said, I don't get it......the FED is telling you they are going to keep themarket propped up.

Sounds similar to what people were saying in 2005 about the housing bubble.

How do you like me bringing that back to the original quote.

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Originally posted by JoshR

Originally posted by Left Brain

Originally posted by JoshR

Originally posted by Left Brain

Originally posted by JoshR

Originally posted by Left Brain

Originally posted by SGirl This reminds me of the real estate/mortgage crisis, and things swelled to a huge bubble, then burst. There were regulations however in place, unlike with this scenario ...but people manipulated the rules, and committed fraud. Same thing here...this has had to reach a fever pitch before people clamp down. This was an eye opening article, appreciate you posting it...I didn't realize that this was ''exempt'' from traditional regulations.

Most "experts" don't see it that way at all and don't feel that stocks are overvalued. Yes, there are a few skeptics and doom and gloomers......and all they missed out on was a near 30% run this year. I read a ton.....and all I keep coming away with is that the market will keep going up, albeit a bit slower than this year. I'll say it again.....with the FED stocking the fire you're crazy not to get in.....they're TELLING you they will continue.

This doesn't feel anything liek the mortgage crisis, when everyday you got 3 or 4 pieces of mail wanting to loan money at cheap rates.....I don't know who thought that was sustainable, but I don't see that happening now.

I think there are plenty of signs out there that show there is little room for growth. Just look at the S&P 500 earnings growth by quarter, it's been leveling off quite a bit. The real issue though, is that none of this matters. It's all based off what the Fed is doing. Good news comes out? Stocks go down because investors think the Fed will taper. Bad news? Stocks go up because the Fed won't taper. It's becoming a giant casino with no real reason behind it anymore.

Not exactly, the FED recently announced a taper,and the market likes it....because it's showing some sign of responsibility. I'm not gettignout of this market until I see a 7-15% drop over a few days.....and then I'm still way ahead of any other investment strategies right now. It seems crazy to me to sit this market out.

Instead of buying $1.08 trillion/year, the Fed is now ONLY buying $900 billion. If this is to be believed as well, there really was no taper. http://www.aei.org/article/economics/monetary-policy/federal-reserv...

All I know is that you guys were preaching this same stuff last year at this time......and look where we are. I agree that sooner or later you're going to be right, that's how it works, but you're missing one of the biggest runs in history sitting around waiting for it all to collapse. Like I said, I don't get it......the FED is telling you they are going to keep themarket propped up.

Sounds similar to what people were saying in 2005 about the housing bubble. How do you like me bringing that back to the original quote.

Nice.

I don't think this is anything like the Housing bubble where it was obvious that values were overinflated and lending was out of control. I'm very happy to see the value of my house coming back slowly.....I'm not going anywhere, and that slow and steady march helps keep the market trending upward.

Edited by Left Brain 2013-12-23 1:06 PM

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Met with my Financial Advisor last week and we are still in equities pretty heavy for next year and anticipate decent returns based on continued strong earnings, more cash moving into the markets both from Corp buy-backs and individual investors getting back in, pretty solid GDP growth, QE continuing somewhat, and still expanding (slightly) multiples - although not as good as the last 2 years. We are reducing Large Growth exposure as it did SO well this past yeat and getting a bit more into muni-bonds, real estate through another private REIT, mid-value US stocks, Europe and a bit more into Asia Value stocks.

My favorite move in recent years? Check out F-Squared Investments - computer trading firm that acts kinda like a hedge fund. Can be a really good tool to help reduce your portfolio beta.

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Sorry, DP!

Edited by ejshowers 2013-12-23 3:30 PM

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"It is absolutely without any question in my mind that virtually every financial market, and everything with a paper price, is being manipulated, gamed, rigged, and otherwise adulterated for fun and profit by those with deep pockets and deeper connections to Wall Street...."
from Chris Martenson.

for those that don't believe that equities are overly inflated, and good is being manipulated by the major banks I encourage you to listen to the interview with David Collum...link below:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWcZCqkOvfU

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