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2007-02-09 3:45 PM

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Ok, so I know soda and caffeine are not the best...and it should be drank in moderation...but does anyone here throw all that out and still drink their cokes?!! I am about to embark on my half ironman training...and I know I am "suppose to" give it all up...but I DON'T WANT TO! Any thoughts on this?!! Thanks...


2007-02-09 3:49 PM
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Do you have a nutrition plan? That's the more important question really.

A Coke here or there won't hurt you, but if you are putting down a few a day that's 100's of empty calories from high fructose corn syrup.

 

2007-02-09 3:52 PM
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Well, I should have said that I drink ONLY diet sodas. So, no extra calories...but yes, I know...all those artificial sweetners. But I really LOVE my Diet Cherry Pepsis!!!
2007-02-09 3:57 PM
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You're good then. Just drink plenty of water too. There's not enough caffeine in soft drinks to have a significant diuretic effect. As for the artificial sweeteners, that's a whole other can of worms with opinions ranging from "harmless" to "you're going to get a giant brain tumor".

At one point I was drinking a gallon of Diet Coke a day. Me brane still gud.

Now I have normal human quantities, like one every day or so... maybe less.

2007-02-09 3:58 PM
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I haven't been able to give up Coke and I don't do the diet kind.  That doesn't mean it was a good idea for me to not give them up.  It really depends on your aspirations.  I did an HIM last year and just tried to be smarter about my eating habits rather than having a real specific nutrition plan.  I'm sure I would have done better had I been more rigid in that area.  That said, I had a great experience so I am not sweating it.  I'm just thinking harder now about adopting that approach.

Hope this helps.

2007-02-09 4:00 PM
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I am truly addicted to Diet Coke. I just try to drink water too. One water bottle-one diet coke


2007-02-09 4:01 PM
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willow - 2007-02-09 4:00 PM I am truly addicted to Diet Coke. I just try to drink water too. One water bottle-one diet coke

You know, I haven't had one today and now I'm digging around in my desk for nickels and dimes... thanks.

 

2007-02-09 4:03 PM
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Good thoughts...I also have USAT National Collegiate in 2 months and really want to make a splash...and for the HIM, I want to beat my last time. I'm working hard on my training and eating...just am on the see-saw about the Cokes. When I was training for a marathon years ago, I drank caffeine-free Diet Coke...and I ran faster on my last marathon (with caffeine in my diet). So, I am curious if the diet sodas would help my performance or not?! Thanks!!
2007-02-09 4:03 PM
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I love my diet coke- just try to make sure I get my water too. I drink a diet coke before every long run and race and it works for me! Just had a half mary PR after 75% of a 20oz diet coke and snickers low carb marathon bar. I'm sure it was the diet coke....

Everything in moderation. When I start my HIM training I will probably limit it to 2 a day, water after that.

2007-02-09 4:04 PM
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Bill - 2007-02-09 4:01 PM

willow - 2007-02-09 4:00 PM I am truly addicted to Diet Coke. I just try to drink water too. One water bottle-one diet coke

You know, I haven't had one today and now I'm digging around in my desk for nickels and dimes... thanks.

 



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2007-02-09 4:06 PM
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Well, maybe since the drink makes me happy...I should keep it. No harm, eh??

And Suzanne...go Clemson Tigers!


2007-02-09 4:10 PM
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BamaTriGal - 2007-02-09 1:45 PM Ok, so I know soda and caffeine are not the best...and it should be drank in moderation...but does anyone here throw all that out and still drink their cokes?!! I am about to embark on my half ironman training...and I know I am "suppose to" give it all up...but I DON'T WANT TO! Any thoughts on this?!! Thanks...

  No one said you have to give up Coke. Do what you want, you're an adult right?

 

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I've heard lots of arguments for/against.  I was one of those people that drank SO much diet soda I didn't think I'd ever quit.  REALLY thought I was addicted.

Well, I stopped.  The trick for me was to drink water with lemon juice in it.  As long as it has flavor I seem to be okay...

Anyway...you can quit.  I promise you can.

2007-02-09 4:12 PM
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coachese - 2007-02-09 4:10 PM

BamaTriGal - 2007-02-09 1:45 PM Ok, so I know soda and caffeine are not the best...and it should be drank in moderation...but does anyone here throw all that out and still drink their cokes?!! I am about to embark on my half ironman training...and I know I am "suppose to" give it all up...but I DON'T WANT TO! Any thoughts on this?!! Thanks...

  No one said you have to give up Coke. Do what you want, you're an adult right?

 



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2007-02-09 4:13 PM
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BamaTriGal - 2007-02-09 4:03 PM Good thoughts...I also have USAT National Collegiate in 2 months and really want to make a splash...and for the HIM, I want to beat my last time. I'm working hard on my training and eating...just am on the see-saw about the Cokes. When I was training for a marathon years ago, I drank caffeine-free Diet Coke...and I ran faster on my last marathon (with caffeine in my diet). So, I am curious if the diet sodas would help my performance or not?! Thanks!!

For my 1/2 IM last June my coach had me do a caffeine depletion phase the week before, with the idea being that doing so would allow me to get some performance enhancement from caffeine on race day. I chickened out on the caffeine on race day other than one cup of coffee. I hadn't practiced taking caffeine in training, and it was a potentially going to be very hot. I plan to do it this year, but I will practice it a month or two out, depleting for a week and then supplementing caffeine on a long brick workout.

FWIW, you can carb deplete as well, and then when you carbo load 48 hours out you can load up your muscle glycogen more effectively. Carbo loading has less benefit when your muscles are already tanked up on glycogen. There's literature to read and review, and that's the way to go. Don't just take anonymous internet advice (from me).

Let me see if I can find the information on it and I'll send you a link.

2007-02-09 4:14 PM
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BamaTriGal - 2007-02-09 4:04 PM
Bill - 2007-02-09 4:01 PM

Need some change?!

Yeah. Change my co-worker into a big vat of Diet Coke. He'd be more productive.

 

One thing I have managed to do is kick my need for bottled water. I just drink tap water now, and I haven't keeled over. Crazy. But I save $100 a month easy.



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2007-02-09 4:14 PM
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diet coke for me too... although I try to limit it to 1 or 2 a day. Did the diet/caffiene free thing for awhile, but then couldn't see the point! thought I read somewhere recently that a drinking a coke during the run of an endurance event would be beneficial... but don't quote me on that!
Now, if I could just give up my lattes I could buy a wetsuit!
2007-02-09 4:17 PM
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I know! I drank a coke before my first HIM and I did great!! Who knows...
2007-02-09 4:18 PM
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You don't have to give it up unless you want to.  I drank about a 20 oz bottle of Diet Pepsi every day for as long as I can imagine.  Then, this week I decided I didn't want to anymore.  Not sure why.  I'm surprised how easy it's been to give it up.  I guess my point is that if you want to do it, you'll be able to.  If you don't want to, it's going to be really really hard.
2007-02-09 4:19 PM
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Artemis - 2007-02-09 4:18 PM

You don't have to give it up unless you want to.  I drank about a 20 oz bottle of Diet Pepsi every day for as long as I can imagine.  Then, this week I decided I didn't want to anymore.  Not sure why.  I'm surprised how easy it's been to give it up.  I guess my point is that if you want to do it, you'll be able to.  If you don't want to, it's going to be really really hard.


Bingo! Thanks!
2007-02-09 4:42 PM
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I hate to admit this but I throw down 3-4 monster energy drinks and a 12 pack of Diet mnt dew every day at work... When I was doing marathon training during the weeks that I did the high mileage long runs [16miles +] I noticed it that my legs always felt heavy, by the end of the work day, so I cut back some those weeks and my legs felt fresher. I keep saying that I'm going to cut back or stop. A few weeks ago I was doing a fast with my church so no caffinee (basically a true vegan diet) at all for 21 days, I didn't have a headache from stopping cold turkey, I thought I would not start up again once the fast was over. But I lasted only 15 minutes and that was the drive time to the local 7-11.

I was more amazed by the money I saved by just drinking water.

gary


2007-02-09 4:55 PM
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I'm good for 3-4 Diet Cokes a day. For IMLP, I tapered the caffeine off during the rest of my taper. I had a full bore Coke on race morning and started drinking the Coke on the course at about mile 10 or so. Chicken broth and Coke got me through the run.
2007-02-09 7:44 PM
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An article my coach sent me last season: 

The facts about caffeine and athletic performance

By Nancy Clark, M.S., R.D.
For Active.com
August 12, 2005

Many athletes enjoy a caffeine-lift either as a morning eye-opener, during daily coffee breaks, before training and during competitions. Questions arise about caffeine:

 

  • Should I use caffeinated gels during long runs?
  • How much caffeine is in Red Bull?
  • Does coffee enhance performance -- or is it dehydrating?

    The purpose of this article is to look at caffeine (most commonly consumed as coffee) as a part of a sports diet and help you determine whether you want to take it or leave it.

    Caffeine and hydration

    We've all heard the warning: Coffee has a diuretic effect, is dehydrating, and doesn't count as a fluid replacer. While once deemed true, we now know differently.

  • The truth is, a moderate intake of coffee, cola and other caffeinated beverages does count towards fluid needs -- particularly if you're accustomed to consuming caffeine on a daily basis. (Don't we all know someone who drinks only coffee -- no water -- and is fully functional?)

    Given that about 80 percent of Americans drink coffee (55 percent daily, 25 percent occasionally), and the average intake is about 200 mg caffeine/day (3 mg/kg), most athletes are familiar with caffeine's benefits of heightened alertness and performance.

    The U.S. military is intensely interested in the physiological effects of caffeine on hydration. With soldiers enduring the heat of Iraq, the military needs to know how to optimize hydration. Hence, they have researched the effects of moderate and high doses of caffeine (3 and 6 mg/kg body weight) on hydration.

    Using subjects who habitually consumed a relatively low amount of caffeine -- equivalent to one, six-ounce cup of brewed coffee (100 mg/day; about 1.3 mg caffeine/kg), they found no detrimental effects of caffeine on 24-hour urine volume. (Armstrong, In't J Sports Nutr, June 2005) By day's end, the urine losses were similar whether the person consumed no caffeine or a high dose.

    How did the "coffee is dehydrating" myth start? The initial studies looked at urine collection just two to four hours after caffeine consumption (not the 24-hour picture), didn't compare coffee to water, or used very high doses of caffeine. We now know people have similar urine volume whether they consume caffeinated (<3 mg caffeine/kg) or plain water.

    Caffeine and performance

    Caffeine is one of the best-tested ergogenic aids (substances, devices, or practices that enhance an individual's energy use, production, or recovery) and is known to help athletes train harder and longer. Caffeine stimulates the brain and contributes to clearer thinking and greater concentration.

    There are more than 74 good studies on the use of caffeine for both endurance exercise and short-term, higher intensity exercise. The vast majority of the studies conclude that caffeine does indeed enhance performance and makes the effort seem easier (by about six percent).

    The average improvement in performance is about 12 percent, with more benefits noticed during endurance exercise than with shorter exercise (eight to 20 minutes) and a negligible amount for sprinters. More benefits are also noticed in athletes who rarely drink coffee, hence are not tolerant to its stimulant effect.

    Because each person responds differently to caffeine, don't assume you'll perform better with a caffeine-boost. You might just end up nauseated, coping with a "coffee stomach," or suffering from caffeine jitters at a time when you're already nervous and anxious.

    And be forewarned: While a morning cup of coffee can assist with a desirable bowel movement, a pre-competition cup might lead to transit troubles! Experiment during training to determine if a caffeinated beverage or plain water is your best bet.

    Caffeine and sports beverages, sports supplements

    As you have likely observed, caffeine is readily available in a variety of products:

  • Gu, Vanilla, 1 oz: 20 mg
  • Diet Coke, 12 oz: 30 mg
  • Espresso, 1 oz shot: 40 mg
  • Jolt gum, 1 piece: 40 mg
  • Pepsi, 12 oz can: 45 mg
  • Dexatrim diet pill: 52 mg
  • Excedrine, 1 tab: 5 mg
  • Red Bull, 8 oz can: 80 mg
  • Starbucks, 16 oz: 200 mg
  • NoDoz max, 1 tab: 200 mg

     

    A moderate caffeine intake is considered to be 250 mg/day. In research studies, the amount of caffeine that enhances performance ranges from 1.5 to 4 mg/lb body weight (3 to 9 mg/kg) taken one hour before exercise. For a 150 lb person, this comes to about 225 to 600 mg. More doesn't seem to be better.

    Most athletes get caffeine by drinking coffee; others consume caffeinated gels, chug Red Bull, or pop NoDoz pills. Because the amount of caffeine in coffee is so variable, some athletes prefer products with specified doses.

    Caffeine and calories

    If Starbucks or Dunkin' Donuts are your preferred sources for caffeine, be forewarned: Their specialty coffees are filled with calories. While black coffee has no calories, a "coffee regular" with two creamers and two sugars has 80 calories. A 16-ounce Starbucks Vanilla Frapuccino perks you up with 470 calories of sugar and fat; a Dunkin' Donuts Coffee Coolatta is 350 calories. These are not "diet beverages." Hopefully, they'll energize you enough to burn off those calories during a killer workout!

    Caffeine and common sense

    Athletes vary in their response to caffeine; some are very sensitive and prefer to abstain rather than get over stimulated. Others thrive on a jumbo cup of brew. Clearly, you have to learn through trial and error the amount of caffeine that works best for your body -- if any at all. Perhaps more sleep could be the better energizer for some low-energy athletes.

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    I recently graduated from Mt Dew to the REALLY bad stuff -- energy drinks.

    My faves are Rip-It (Citrus-X and 'tomic Pom) and Fuze Mega mango.
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