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2007-09-14 4:01 PM

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Subject: Who's racing Xterra? What are you doing differently?
I am planning on trying at least one Sprint length Xterra next year, and am wondering how the training will differ. I already do trail runs and reservoir swims. The biking cadence is totaly different than a road bike. Genius that I am, I am figuring the only way to get better on the bike is to bike more!

Comments from Xterra racers are welcome!

Edited by Z-dog 2007-09-14 4:14 PM


2007-09-14 4:20 PM
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Z,

Which one are you planning on doing? The Buffalo Creek in June? I've been thinking about signing up for that one myself. My first tri ever was an off-road tri and it was tough (the Fat Tire Tri in Ft. Collins; they no longer put it on although rumor has it that it may come back). Consider investing in a Camelbak for the bike. The RD, who himself raced only XTERRA events, highly recommended this. I didn't listen. He was right. Even a non-technical MTB course will have bumps and rocks, and you want both hands on the bars as much as possible. Between focusing on the course and keeping your bike on it, reaching down for a water bottle is tricky.

Ride on dirt as much as possible. Riding on pavement is way easier than dirt. Also, if it should happen to rain the night before the race, the damp dirt will stick in your tires and you'll be surprised how much weight that adds, not to mention that it's just more difficult to pedal on wet dirt. To prepare for this, try to ride on dirt after a rain, if possible, and if the trail you ride on allows riding when it's wet because, some don't.

Don't even think about comparing your time to a road sprint. At the tri I did, the winner, who was a pro and had raced a few Iron distances, finished in something like 1:20.

BTW - This may sound like a dumb question, but why is the cadence on a MTB totally different than on a roadie? I mostly ride my MTB just because it's convenient and safer to ride on the dirt trails near my house and haven't really noticed a huge cadence difference. Then again, I'm going from MTB to road, which may be different. I agree that the two bikes are different in terms of handling and of course gearing, but once I spent more time on my roadie I feel fairly comfortable training on my MTB and racing on my roadie. 

2007-09-14 4:41 PM
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Subject: RE: Who's racing Xterra? What are you doing differently?

I could be in for Buffalo Creek next year.  

Interested in the other responses from those experienced in both.

 

As for my 1.2 cents.  You will still want to get your road miles in for building base and spend enough time on the dirt for technical skill.  And remember these two thoughts. 

Look where you want to go, not at what you are trying to avoid,

and I can't remember what pro said this, but she was the top woman about 9 years ago,

"The whole secret to Mountain Biking is pretty simple, the slower you go, the more likely it is you are going to crash"

 

2007-09-14 4:46 PM
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I raced XTERRA West Coast Champiopnships in 2006. The courses are usually pretty difficult. I'd suggest one or two mountain bike rides per week as well as continue road biking. For the trail run, plan on climbs and singletrack trails. Be ready to sweat and bleed and have the time of your life....

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2007-09-14 7:42 PM
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i raced an x-terra last year.

humbling experience is putting it mildly.

 

Put in as much time riding single track as you physically can and practice running up rock walls (repeatedly)

2007-09-14 10:44 PM
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vortmax - 2007-09-14 7:42 PM

... practice running up rock walls (repeatedly)

That's not too far from the truth. You forgot the part about practicing running downhill, which can be just as hard as uphill.



2007-09-14 10:50 PM
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Thanks for the answers thus far.

Buffalo Creek is the likely race for me to do first since it is in the area, and I won't have so far to go to return my bloody body home.

I am experienced riding single track, as I've done it for at least twelve years. I am questioning the training on a mtb vs road or tri bike, and how to divy that up. I agree on the camel back idea for sure. Drinking out of muddy bottles while careening across rocks is a likely early end to the season.

The cadence note was due to the fact that when road riding I spin at a steady 90-100 rpms all the time. On singletrack, I find my cadence varying between 40 and 85 depending on the terrain. I haven't worn my HRM while on the mtb yet, but this is definitely a different type of training for the body.
2007-09-15 9:02 AM
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I'll be racing my first 2 sprint length xterras next year (Garnet Hill & Grafton Lakes, both in NY). Can't wait!! I'm an avid mountain bike rider/racer, so it will be good to see if my technical skills on the bike help me in comparison to a regular tri.
2007-09-15 9:07 AM
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Running off the bike.

Get used to the feeling of lead legs.

Just make sure you smile when you finish!

Take a look at www.racergirl.com

 

2007-09-15 2:58 PM
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How is that different from running off the bike in a regular tri, WITH dead legs?
2007-09-15 5:16 PM
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Z-dog - 2007-09-15 1:58 PM How is that different from running off the bike in a regular tri, WITH dead legs?

You think your legs are dead from a normal tri?  Tripple the hills, then look forward to this as a run course:

 





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2007-09-15 5:30 PM
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Matt, which tri was that? That's just wrong.

2007-09-15 5:41 PM
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For Z and other Coloradans, here's an off-road tri that just started. Check out the results - the overall winner took 1:28. That would be what, an age group winner in a road tri?

http://www.racingunderground.com/dirtfest/index.html

2007-09-15 6:28 PM
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Your freaking kidding me!!! Vortmax, you had to run (climb) that?

You would think that living in Az that there would be alot of Fat Tire Tri's, but there are only two; one sprint in Oct and a long in April. I will be doing my first sprint this Oct and hope to have a blast. Lucky for us here in Az we have no climbs that hard. Wish we had more races and would really like to head up north; not happening..

I agree with everyone who says that you really want to spend alot of time off roading, but dont leave out your road rides, there great for seat time and endurance. HR will really go up becasue of the climbing and youll see that your tech skills in the mtn will improve. Camelback is a must, and practice your climbing and downhill..

Oh, and dont forget to bring your fuzzy dice and breath.....

Edited by mm5093 2007-09-15 6:29 PM
2007-09-15 7:04 PM
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Subject: RE: Who's racing Xterra? What are you doing differently?
Xterra rocks. Then again, I'm a life long mountain biker and only a recent triathlete.

At the risk of starting a war on the thread, I would suggest more time in the weight room than you would for a regular tri. Mountain biking requires much more upper body strength. In addition, I notice more lower back fatigue during Xterra, so strengthening the core is important also.

Try mountain biking and trail running already fatigued, like in a race. It's amazing how much you're skills erode when tired. It helps to point out any weaknesses you might have.

Good luck!
2007-09-15 7:57 PM
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I'm thinking about one next year in New Castle IN at Westwood park. I'm starting to ride more on the MTB. Ride the course before hand if you can. The one at Westwood get's a little technical and it's really going to help knowing the course before the race. My legs are shot after a hard lap around this place so the run looks to be a challenge for me.


2007-09-15 8:03 PM
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That's the Iron Creek tri in Spearfish South Dakota.  That hill is part of a two loop course.  I don't have a picture of the half mile 17% hill at the start of the run loop.  The fact the race is in July just adds insult to injury.  Last year it was over 100* at gun time (2:00 in the afternoon)

 

In terms of training for it, it was a month after my marathon, which was also somewhat hilly.  To prepare for that I did a TON of hill work, both long runs and intervals, as well as a lot of hill work on the bike.  My moutain biking skills were seriously lacking, but I made up a lot of places by being a strong hill climber.  Same with the run too.  My overall pace was pretty slow, but the fact that my recovery time after a climb like that was super low (from the hill training) I could pick my pace back up on the flats and pass a lot of people coming off the hills during the run.

2007-09-15 8:04 PM
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jmickle11 - 2007-09-15 6:57 PM I'm thinking about one next year in New Castle IN at Westwood park. I'm starting to ride more on the MTB. Ride the course before hand if you can. The one at Westwood get's a little technical and it's really going to help knowing the course before the race. My legs are shot after a hard lap around this place so the run looks to be a challenge for me.

I think i might do that one too.  I need to serisouly start hitting the single track though

2007-09-15 8:15 PM
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jmickle11 - 2007-09-15 6:57 PM I'm thinking about one next year in New Castle IN at Westwood park. I'm starting to ride more on the MTB. Ride the course before hand if you can. The one at Westwood get's a little technical and it's really going to help knowing the course before the race. My legs are shot after a hard lap around this place so the run looks to be a challenge for me.

I think i might do that one too.  I need to serisouly start hitting the single track though



Definitely single track! Passing could be tough there!
2007-09-15 8:28 PM
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sgt2133 - 2007-09-15 7:04 PM Xterra rocks. Then again, I'm a life long mountain biker and only a recent triathlete. At the risk of starting a war on the thread, I would suggest more time in the weight room than you would for a regular tri. Mountain biking requires much more upper body strength. In addition, I notice more lower back fatigue during Xterra, so strengthening the core is important also. Try mountain biking and trail running already fatigued, like in a race. It's amazing how much you're skills erode when tired. It helps to point out any weaknesses you might have. Good luck!

I was going to suggest more time in the weight room as well but I always get nailed for saying stuff like that. As a life-long MTBer, you have more credibility. If someone wants to argue with you, they better have spent some time on a MTB. You're right about the upper body fatigue. I once did one of those go up a ski lift and ride down deals. You'd think that it was easy - all you do is ride down and you don't even need to pedal. Total body fatigue after that one run.

2007-09-15 9:45 PM
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mm5093 - 2007-09-15 3:28 PM

You would think that living in Az that there would be alot of Fat Tire Tri's, but there are only two; one sprint in Oct and a long in April.

I can think of 3: AZ Xtreme XTERRA by DCB, Deuces Wild XTERRA by TriSports, and Papago Park Off Road Tri by Red Rock Co.

You must be doing the Papago Park one in Oct. Have fun!



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jbjboc - 2007-09-14 4:46 PM I raced XTERRA West Coast Champiopnships in 2006. The courses are usually pretty difficult. I'd suggest one or two mountain bike rides per week as well as continue road biking. For the trail run, plan on climbs and singletrack trails. Be ready to sweat and bleed and have the time of your life....

I race the Xterra Southeast Championship, right in my backyard in Birmingham, Al.  I totally agree with jbjboc, you got to ride the Mtn bike one to two days a week.  The XTERRA is much harder to me because its all anaerobic full tilt.  Mtn biking to me has a greater physically demand than road biking.  You must work your technical skills for many of these courses.  The XTERRA Southeast is the same course the Pro MTN bikers race on a couple of weeks before the XTERRA.  You can seriously hurt yourself at "Race Pace", pushing the limits of your technical ability.  They are definitely a blast and a must if you enjoy Mtn Biking.

 

2007-09-17 12:39 PM
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I forgot about that one. i missed Mesa, (AZ Xterra) wrong weekend, and have been kicking myself ever since.. Already signed up for PBR in Oct...

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Are you planning on only Xterra's next season, or both road and off-road? If you only to off-road you can seriously work on your mtb skills. Regards to what some say mtb'ing is nothing like road riding. Get that road mentality out of your head and think like a mtb'er. Try to find a local shop to ride with, riding with more experienced mtb'er will help tremendously. And you runs legs are going to be nothing like your TT set up. Will will be forced to use much more power during the bike and it will shred your legs. The mtb geometry is not designed in any way to help preserve you legs unlike some TT set-ups.
INCREASE YOU LEG STRENGTH! I cannot stress this enough. If you are not at the gym yet try to get to one and start doing a intense leg routine(since it is off season you can go crazy with strength building....you cardio w/o's might suffer a bit but that's fine for now).
I hope this helps. Peace.
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