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JustWood - 2012-04-05 6:13 PM

Shopping question...

I am looking for a Quarq (SRAM 172.5) power crank for a 'reasonable' price.  I have found them for $1575, but I had read/heard/ or simply made up the fact that they are available for $1200ish.  I currently use a PowerTap, but I am changing to the Zipp disc (so I can catch fatty) and will lose the power feature while racing.  I have googled it, but many times others know a non-published lil' place that offers a good deal.

tanks-a-million 

SSMinnow - 2012-04-06 7:35 AM

This probably requires a more scientific study to satisfy Fatty, but I thought this was interesting enough to share with the group.  I definitely see this in myself.  I can start out midfoot, but resort to heel strike on the right side as races progress.

FINDINGS ON FOOTSTRIKE

For the past couple years, running form, footstrike and other bio-mechanical matters have been endlessly debated. What's often been missing from the discussion is real data from the real world. A new study by a credible source provides some.

Pete Larson--trained as an evolutionary biologist, moonlighting as a minimalist shoe advocate at runblogger.com--took a video camera to the 2009 Manchester City Marathon to see how people were running at different stages of the race. Of 286 marathoners studied, at the 10K mark just under 89 percent were rearfoot strikers, and just under 6 percent had an asymmetrical footstrike (e.g., one foot landing at rear, the other midfoot). At the 20-mile mark, more than 90 percent of the marathoners were rearfoot striking, and the number who demonstrated asymmetry declined. In sum, by the late miles of the marathon, almost everyone Larson filmed was rearfoot striking with both feet, even though some were landing differently 10K into the race.

It's safe to say that some degree of muscular fatigue contributed to the change in footstrike pattern. So if you're among the runners who've been inspired to change your running form the last few years, don't assume your new form will hold once you tire. In terms of training, the findings could be argued to lend strength to doing a good amount of marathon-pace running. Running at race pace at the end of long runs and concentrating on maintaining good form--whatever that means for you--should help to stem the deterioration Larson's findings point to.

_Deb_ - 2012-04-05 9:21 PM

Agreed.  Make sure you flex your biceps so that we can get a true visual of your size in comparison to the arm warmers.

SSMinnow - 2012-04-06 6:35 AM

This probably requires a more scientific study to satisfy Fatty, but I thought this was interesting enough to share with the group.  I definitely see this in myself.  I can start out midfoot, but resort to heel strike on the right side as races progress.

FINDINGS ON FOOTSTRIKE

For the past couple years, running form, footstrike and other bio-mechanical matters have been endlessly debated. What's often been missing from the discussion is real data from the real world. A new study by a credible source provides some.

Pete Larson--trained as an evolutionary biologist, moonlighting as a minimalist shoe advocate at runblogger.com--took a video camera to the 2009 Manchester City Marathon to see how people were running at different stages of the race. Of 286 marathoners studied, at the 10K mark just under 89 percent were rearfoot strikers, and just under 6 percent had an asymmetrical footstrike (e.g., one foot landing at rear, the other midfoot). At the 20-mile mark, more than 90 percent of the marathoners were rearfoot striking, and the number who demonstrated asymmetry declined. In sum, by the late miles of the marathon, almost everyone Larson filmed was rearfoot striking with both feet, even though some were landing differently 10K into the race.

It's safe to say that some degree of muscular fatigue contributed to the change in footstrike pattern. So if you're among the runners who've been inspired to change your running form the last few years, don't assume your new form will hold once you tire. In terms of training, the findings could be argued to lend strength to doing a good amount of marathon-pace running. Running at race pace at the end of long runs and concentrating on maintaining good form--whatever that means for you--should help to stem the deterioration Larson's findings point to.

tahrens - 2012-04-06 8:40 AM I'm probably the last person to have discovered this but I'll take a chance and share it anyway.  Last night in the pool I was doing kick drills.  I routinely do 1 length on my stomach then flip over and do the returning length on my back.  Last night there was a very cool thing going on in a lane next to me that I wanted to watch so I did a side kick drill.  Oh my goodness!  That was just like walking on the stair stepper!   Personally I thought this was great b/c I can't run or use the climber right now so it was an impact free way of using the same muscles.  I thought it was cool.  You are all free to laugh at my naivety now.

fattyfatfat - 2012-04-06 11:25 AM

for those not familiar with the dog story, here's the original post from a few years ago.

a note at the other end of the spectrum, justin mentioned a good friend of ours passed away earlier this week, his name was justin also.  all of you guys that raced lone star met him, there's pictures somewhere of suzy, tony and i think trev with him... he was Houstonrider here on BT.  cancer took him before he could age up to 40-44.  he posted in the link above, i hear his voice when i read his posts.   sucks.   

fattyfatfat - 2012-04-06 10:25 AM

for those not familiar with the dog story, here's the original post from a few years ago.

a note at the other end of the spectrum, justin mentioned a good friend of ours passed away earlier this week, his name was justin also.  all of you guys that raced lone star met him, there's pictures somewhere of suzy, tony and i think trev with him... he was Houstonrider here on BT.  cancer took him before he could age up to 40-44.  he posted in the link above, i hear his voice when i read his posts.   sucks.   

fattyfatfat - 2012-04-06 11:25 AM

for those not familiar with the dog story, here's the original post from a few years ago.

a note at the other end of the spectrum, justin mentioned a good friend of ours passed away earlier this week, his name was justin also.  all of you guys that raced lone star met him, there's pictures somewhere of suzy, tony and i think trev with him... he was Houstonrider here on BT.  cancer took him before he could age up to 40-44.  he posted in the link above, i hear his voice when i read his posts.   sucks.   

tricrazy - 2012-04-06 11:08 AM I did my long run this morning since I will be at the ILs this weekend and 20 miles is hard to get in there.  I was alone and slow but so proud of myself.  It has been so long since I have put in these miles.  Yay!!

fattyfatfat - 2012-04-06 10:25 AM

for those not familiar with the dog story, here's the original post from a few years ago.

a note at the other end of the spectrum, justin mentioned a good friend of ours passed away earlier this week, his name was justin also.  all of you guys that raced lone star met him, there's pictures somewhere of suzy, tony and i think trev with him... he was Houstonrider here on BT.  cancer took him before he could age up to 40-44.  he posted in the link above, i hear his voice when i read his posts.   sucks.   

SSMinnow - 2012-04-06 4:35 AM

This probably requires a more scientific study to satisfy Fatty, but I thought this was interesting enough to share with the group.  I definitely see this in myself.  I can start out midfoot, but resort to heel strike on the right side as races progress.

FINDINGS ON FOOTSTRIKE

For the past couple years, running form, footstrike and other bio-mechanical matters have been endlessly debated. What's often been missing from the discussion is real data from the real world. A new study by a credible source provides some.

Pete Larson--trained as an evolutionary biologist, moonlighting as a minimalist shoe advocate at runblogger.com--took a video camera to the 2009 Manchester City Marathon to see how people were running at different stages of the race. Of 286 marathoners studied, at the 10K mark just under 89 percent were rearfoot strikers, and just under 6 percent had an asymmetrical footstrike (e.g., one foot landing at rear, the other midfoot). At the 20-mile mark, more than 90 percent of the marathoners were rearfoot striking, and the number who demonstrated asymmetry declined. In sum, by the late miles of the marathon, almost everyone Larson filmed was rearfoot striking with both feet, even though some were landing differently 10K into the race.

It's safe to say that some degree of muscular fatigue contributed to the change in footstrike pattern. So if you're among the runners who've been inspired to change your running form the last few years, don't assume your new form will hold once you tire. In terms of training, the findings could be argued to lend strength to doing a good amount of marathon-pace running. Running at race pace at the end of long runs and concentrating on maintaining good form--whatever that means for you--should help to stem the deterioration Larson's findings point to.

fattyfatfat - 2012-04-06 11:25 AM

for those not familiar with the dog story, here's the original post from a few years ago.

a note at the other end of the spectrum, justin mentioned a good friend of ours passed away earlier this week, his name was justin also.  all of you guys that raced lone star met him, there's pictures somewhere of suzy, tony and i think trev with him... he was Houstonrider here on BT.  cancer took him before he could age up to 40-44.  he posted in the link above, i hear his voice when i read his posts.   sucks.   

fattyfatfat - 2012-04-06 11:25 AM

for those not familiar with the dog story, here's the original post from a few years ago.

a note at the other end of the spectrum, justin mentioned a good friend of ours passed away earlier this week, his name was justin also.  all of you guys that raced lone star met him, there's pictures somewhere of suzy, tony and i think trev with him... he was Houstonrider here on BT.  cancer took him before he could age up to 40-44.  he posted in the link above, i hear his voice when i read his posts.   sucks.   

SSMinnow - 2012-04-06 11:40 AM

Can you find the picture? And yes, Cancer Sucks. 

fattyfatfat - 2012-04-06 1:53 PM

justin is to your right.     SAMMY!!!!

jfought - 2012-04-06 12:13 PM

OMG!! You guys are great.  I haven't laughed that hard since I watched the drunk Canadian singing Bohemian Rhapsody.  "20 miles b!tch!!"  LOL  I had to watch it 3 times just to hear Fatty laughing. 

Sorry for the loss of your friend.  Cancer sucks.  Just buried a friend this week who was only 46.  Sad stuff.

fattyfatfat - 2012-04-06 10:57 AM

here's a better pic of him from that day... maybe you recognize him. 5:25 at his first 70.3!!!

JustWood - 2012-04-06 1:33 PM

Yes indeed, the best part of the video is fatty's dam laugh!  ha!

That's a great pic of John & Justin!