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2014-01-19 7:54 AM
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Carlo - The first marathon I ran I didn't use a plan as such as I was only training for a half... and was just running as much as I could during the week and increasing my long run on the weekends, when I got to what was supposed to be a 13 mile long run I felt good and done 14, and someone told me: 'all you need now is two 16 milers and two 18 milers' and that's exactly what I done; finished in 4:58. Peak week 48 miles.
The second marathon I used a plan someone gave me not sure whose, was very heavy on the long run but not a lot running during the week, I think I done 3 or 4 20 milers but my peak was 45 miles; that was my worst time and I really suffered, 5:21.
The last one I used Hal Higdon's intermediate 2 but instead of the cross training day I added a 4 or 5 mile run and would add a 2 or 3 miler here and there where I could fit it, all my runs were VERY slow (12min/mile or slower) and I peaked at 56 miles, I had an absolutely amazing experience at that mary, finished feeling fresh, like I didn't push myself to my limit, time 4:45.

Greg - I too need to learn to love biking... Getting there.

Kyle - My first sprint I already ran but only got my bike 2 months before and was fine (not brilliant) but didn't feel it was too little training to just finish. Now if you want to race I'd say it's a different story.

Took my husband out on the MTB trail today and I think I got a convert! He loves it, and is pretty good at it, definitely more confident than I am. I'm hoping I'll get more sympathy for my training


2014-01-19 9:21 AM
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Originally posted by ktoolz Well Got out for a run 3.75 km gotta build that volume up slowly! Then did 45 mins of strength training! I was looking at the training plans for sprint triathlons and it seems to me that the first weeks seem to low in volume, should I keep training by feel until a bit closer and hope into the plan that is closer to my current volume?
That's what I would do, yeah.  You shouldn't overdo it such that you injure yourself, of course, but on the other hand you needn't hold yourself to an unnecessarily low level just because a beginner plan has lower volume than appropriate for you.  You can always modify the plan you have an eye on if you are more advanced than the plan calls for.

But it's worth stressing again, now is the time to build volume, not the time to be overdoing it and getting yourself injured.  i.e. when you are building volume you usually avoid sprint work and the like.




Yeah that was what I was thinking. I am about 20 weeks out from race day and was looking at following a 16 week plan, so for now I am just going to keep building volume by feel! And keep really watch my nutrition.

I have down 4 lbs in two weeks!
I committed to logging my food and training for 20 weeks!

Trying to loose 39 more pounds to get down to 200 lbs


I agree with Joe. Build volume and don't worry about doing more than what the plan says. For a sprint, you can also follow an Oly plan or do a volume somewhere between a sprint and Oly. I can tell you that if you are trained for an Oly, a sprint will either be easier or just as hard but you'll be faster depending on how you choose to race.
2014-01-19 9:25 AM
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Carlo - The first marathon I ran I didn't use a plan as such as I was only training for a half... and was just running as much as I could during the week and increasing my long run on the weekends, when I got to what was supposed to be a 13 mile long run I felt good and done 14, and someone told me: 'all you need now is two 16 milers and two 18 milers' and that's exactly what I done; finished in 4:58. Peak week 48 miles.
The second marathon I used a plan someone gave me not sure whose, was very heavy on the long run but not a lot running during the week, I think I done 3 or 4 20 milers but my peak was 45 miles; that was my worst time and I really suffered, 5:21.
The last one I used Hal Higdon's intermediate 2 but instead of the cross training day I added a 4 or 5 mile run and would add a 2 or 3 miler here and there where I could fit it, all my runs were VERY slow (12min/mile or slower) and I peaked at 56 miles, I had an absolutely amazing experience at that mary, finished feeling fresh, like I didn't push myself to my limit, time 4:45.

Greg - I too need to learn to love biking... Getting there.

Kyle - My first sprint I already ran but only got my bike 2 months before and was fine (not brilliant) but didn't feel it was too little training to just finish. Now if you want to race I'd say it's a different story.

Took my husband out on the MTB trail today and I think I got a convert! He loves it, and is pretty good at it, definitely more confident than I am. I'm hoping I'll get more sympathy for my training


Thanks for sharing your marathon training experience Tay. I've read that you don't want to do too many long runs since they take more recovery than shorter runs and it sounds like your experience was exactly that. More overall volume and less long runs yielded your best marathon to date.
2014-01-19 9:25 AM
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My first serious run this morning on the treadmill to see what my real base is after the long break. Did a 4 minute run/1 minute walk interval to make sure I'm not overdoing it. Skipped the walking at 34 minutes though. Total 36:08. Nothing great but something to work on. At least I know I can get through a full 5k without collapsing.
2014-01-19 9:39 AM
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@ Kyle
I envy you weight loss gained alot of weight after my HIM training. Your looking good if your looking into a sprint IMHO you dont need 20 weeks yo train for it if you can swim mediocre 3 months should be enough, therefore your looking great. I still watch old cycling movies at Netflix, "American Flyer" "Breakaway"


oh yeah I did my first sprint two years ago started training at the end of May for a July first race. I was at my heavyist at 265 lbs and got down to 235 lbs for race day. I was really sick (food poisoning) for the two days before the race so my actual weight was probably closer to 240 lbs

I watched Breakaway the other day. Couldn't help but really pick up when he was chasing the girl on the vespa or riding behind the semi truck.

American Flyer is so good! Kevin Costner is the best, unfortunately its not on Canadian Netflixs

I weighed in this morning and I am down to 237.6 woot!
2014-01-19 9:41 AM
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Kyle, one more thing about ramping up, the rule of thumb is to increase volume by no more than 10% per week. It's usually a good idea to back off 20-30% every fourth week to let your body recover a little. Of course everyone is different so listen to your body and back off when things start to hurt.


2014-01-19 9:43 AM
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My first serious run this morning on the treadmill to see what my real base is after the long break. Did a 4 minute run/1 minute walk interval to make sure I'm not overdoing it. Skipped the walking at 34 minutes though. Total 36:08. Nothing great but something to work on. At least I know I can get through a full 5k without collapsing.


Nice run Markus! The run/walk approach is a good one. Nothing wrong with walking at all. Whenever I'm feeling like I'm working to hard on long runs or my heart rate is higher than I want it, I take a walk break.
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^^^^€ stupid I phone!

Just finished 2 hr trainer ride 50 km! And Now having a well deserved breakfast! 3 eggs, 1 bell pepper, 30g of cheese, siracha sauce salsa and a little sour cream! mmmmmmhhhh
2014-01-19 1:23 PM
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^^^^€ stupid I phone!

Just finished 2 hr trainer ride 50 km! And Now having a well deserved breakfast! 3 eggs, 1 bell pepper, 30g of cheese, siracha sauce salsa and a little sour cream! mmmmmmhhhh


Nice ride! A two hour trainer ride is no joke.
2014-01-19 2:00 PM
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The last 25 mins where a battle to not quit!


2014-01-19 9:15 PM
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Tay - Really interesting how your marathon training progressed. Interesting on your last M that you trained at 12:00/mi and then ran faster in the race. For my own running I'm always trying to run faster. Maybe I should just run more.

That's great that your hubby had fun on the mtn bike. Good for both of you, eh.

Mike - Your clothing advice for winter running was very timely. I was going through my workout gear and pulled out exactly what you said. No doubt I'll come up with more excuses but I had a lot of fun on my last run and I need to just get out there more often.

Markus - You're off to a great start. Where do you think you are with your swim and bike?

Kyle - My wife and I have been considering Netflix but the Canadian Netflix is a poor second to the US Netflix. If you like Siracha sauce how do you feel about Sambal Oelek?


I was going to run after my 90min cycling session yesterday but my left lateral thigh was intensely sore like a toothache so I decided not to run. I was better today but I'll run tomorrow after swimming (and coffee). Further on the running - I've resisted running on days that I have a cycling class but I'm now thinking I should add in even some short runs on these days. It might slow down my cycling but in the long run lead to better cycling and running fitness.

Not much else to report. My wife and I drove to Omak, Washington today. In Walmart I was surprised to see that some things were written in English and Spanish (?). In Canada, we have English and French.

2014-01-19 9:33 PM
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Originally posted by wenceslasz My wife and I drove to Omak, Washington today. In Walmart I was surprised to see that some things were written in English and Spanish (?). In Canada, we have English and French.
And man, that was in Washington.  In California there's more Spanish writing than English.  I don't think I've ever seen anything translated into French in America. 

2014-01-19 10:27 PM
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Markus - You're off to a great start. Where do you think you are with your swim and bike?



I'll try to squeeze in some bike later this week. Haven't had a chance to get that in. By the time I get home it's dark and I don't want to chance getting run over by the crazy drivers around here. Swimming I'll have to see. Need to figure out where to go swimming.

Carl where do you swim?

But to answer your question. I've grown up spending all of my summer breaks pretty much at the pool so hopefully my swim won't be too bad, especially for a sprint.
I keep you guys posted once I get some biking in. It'll be my third time with clips, so that ought to be interesting after the 6 months break as well.
2014-01-19 11:12 PM
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Amazing run on Saturday. Flew through 6km with no problem. I could have went further, but I decided to end it and stick with my plan of gradually building back up.
2014-01-19 11:20 PM
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Originally posted by wenceslasz

Markus - You're off to a great start. Where do you think you are with your swim and bike?



I'll try to squeeze in some bike later this week. Haven't had a chance to get that in. By the time I get home it's dark and I don't want to chance getting run over by the crazy drivers around here. Swimming I'll have to see. Need to figure out where to go swimming.

Carl where do you swim?

But to answer your question. I've grown up spending all of my summer breaks pretty much at the pool so hopefully my swim won't be too bad, especially for a sprint.
I keep you guys posted once I get some biking in. It'll be my third time with clips, so that ought to be interesting after the 6 months break as well.



i use to swim at Pearland Natatorium ,then i find it OWS is more helpful for me so i swim lots at 288 lake sometimes at twin lakes, i feel lazy now a days to go back to the pool and when its not too cold i do a little bit of OWS. Honestly need to hit the pool soon.


2014-01-19 11:33 PM
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Originally posted by tatous

Carlo - The first marathon I ran I didn't use a plan as such as I was only training for a half... and was just running as much as I could during the week and increasing my long run on the weekends, when I got to what was supposed to be a 13 mile long run I felt good and done 14, and someone told me: 'all you need now is two 16 milers and two 18 milers' and that's exactly what I done; finished in 4:58. Peak week 48 miles.
The second marathon I used a plan someone gave me not sure whose, was very heavy on the long run but not a lot running during the week, I think I done 3 or 4 20 milers but my peak was 45 miles; that was my worst time and I really suffered, 5:21.
The last one I used Hal Higdon's intermediate 2 but instead of the cross training day I added a 4 or 5 mile run and would add a 2 or 3 miler here and there where I could fit it, all my runs were VERY slow (12min/mile or slower) and I peaked at 56 miles, I had an absolutely amazing experience at that mary, finished feeling fresh, like I didn't push myself to my limit, time 4:45.



Tay

i am currently having recovery problems dont know when will i be back to my my better pacing. . I guess in training for full Mary its really the qty not the intensity per week. When i hammer my weekly runs the longer it takes me to recover the less days i can train for running. When i am fully recovered i guess i should try running at easy pace so i can run 5 days a week therefore increase my mpw. My goal is really just finish a Mary at a decent time and have fun along the way and not curse the race at the end of day.


thanks again for the above.

2014-01-19 11:55 PM
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Kyle - My wife and I have been considering Netflix but the Canadian Netflix is a poor second to the US Netflix. If you like Siracha sauce how do you feel about Sambal Oelek?



Sambal Oelek???
2014-01-20 1:10 PM
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Amazing run on Saturday. Flew through 6km with no problem. I could have went further, but I decided to end it and stick with my plan of gradually building back up.


I think after you get past the 4 mile marker it's easier to increase the distance without too much drama if you just take it slow, you'll be running 10k in no time.
2014-01-20 1:18 PM
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Tay - Really interesting how your marathon training progressed. Interesting on your last M that you trained at 12:00/mi and then ran faster in the race. For my own running I'm always trying to run faster. Maybe I should just run more.

That's great that your hubby had fun on the mtn bike. Good for both of you, eh.


I know! I was quite surprised myself, and I think that's why I finished feeling like I could have gone faster because I held back fearing I would crash and burn over the last few miles if I didn't hold back.
I guess the pace had to do with the volume, and I was making a conscious effort to go as slow as I could (my mantra was: 'relaxed, enjoying' lol); after the taper my legs were fresh. The best thing was that I kept a decent running fitness for a while, had my best 10k time 4 months after the mary (59:40)

My problem is that I want to apply the same principle to cycling (just keep it slow and enjoyable) but it doesn't quite work out the same, does it? Although to be fair I have not yet seriously dedicated time for the bike.... Next month!

I ran 10k this morning and my day was going well until a girl crashed into my car Felt sorry for her, she is only 18 and just didn't react quick enough, could have happened to anyone. My neck and back are a bit stiff but in my insane mind all I care about is: am I going to be able to swim tomorrow????
2014-01-20 1:58 PM
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Kyle - My wife and I have been considering Netflix but the Canadian Netflix is a poor second to the US Netflix. If you like Siracha sauce how do you feel about Sambal Oelek?



Sambal Oelek???


It's a ground chili paste - Vietnamese I think. The first time I used it I put too much in and it was so hot it was funny. But, it really tasted good. I don't use as much as I used to. It is good in spaghetti, pizza, soup and stir fries. Just be careful the first few times you use it if you choose to try it.


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Tay - A 59:40 for a 10K is my next goal (anything under :60 will do). Last September I ran a 1:11:00 10K in my Olympic race and that is my best pace so far. To the best of my recollection it was also my 1st purely 10K run as well. I did run/walk a 21K last year but I was so slow I hate counting it.

For cycling you do want to push yourself a bit and build up your bike fitness. But, you do need a place you can ride and feel fairly safe. Also, it is important to practice riding hard then getting off the bike and running even just for 15 minutes to get your legs used to the feeling of running off the bike.

Out of curiosity what is your January weather like? Temps and wind conditions. Riding outside here is not even a consideration although a few die hard Mtn bikers do ride outside but they're pretty bundled up to do it. I once went out for a 1st outdoor ride in March at 5C/41F and nearly froze my feet and hands.

Sorry about your MVA. I hope you're feeling better and not too stiff. A massage might be worthwhile and if your husband is willing get him to gently traction your neck (nothing too forceful - just an easy stretching pull). Try the swimming but stop if it irritates your neck.
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I never thought I would have been able to run 10k in under 1hr, I'm almost afraid to enter the same race this year just in case I don't run as well. I would love to run under one hour in an Oly, but I guess for that I would have to be able to run a standalone 10k in under 54min...

Irish weather is unpredictable... I've been living here for over 12years and every year is different, this seems to be the year of storms, the temperature is mild, 5-10C most days, very little frost, no snow at all so far (although one year we got snow in St Paddy's), but a lot of rain and high winds. I've been lucky enough to ride outside most Sundays so far, but my toes and fingers have suffered.... By the way, does anyone have any tips? I'm wearing two gloves and three pairs of socks and they seem to make no difference.



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Originally posted by tatous I never thought I would have been able to run 10k in under 1hr, I'm almost afraid to enter the same race this year just in case I don't run as well. I would love to run under one hour in an Oly, but I guess for that I would have to be able to run a standalone 10k in under 54min... Irish weather is unpredictable... I've been living here for over 12years and every year is different, this seems to be the year of storms, the temperature is mild, 5-10C most days, very little frost, no snow at all so far (although one year we got snow in St Paddy's), but a lot of rain and high winds. I've been lucky enough to ride outside most Sundays so far, but my toes and fingers have suffered.... By the way, does anyone have any tips? I'm wearing two gloves and three pairs of socks and they seem to make no difference.
Have you tried using handwarmers?  You know those chemical packs that when exposed to air generate heat?  I know some people put those in their shoes during cold ride.  You could probably put them in between pairs of gloves or something too.  Around here you can get them at gas stations, Walmart, etc.

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It was a nice day for walk in the city this weekend got carried away along with 10K random strangers

http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp...

the weather is good today i just enjoyed some OWS

now i need to do some serious recovery



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