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 2015-10-20 1:45 PM in reply to: mdg2003 |
Pro  9391     Omaha, NE |  Subject: RE: Gun Advocates, What Say You??Originally posted by mdg2003 Originally posted by tuwood I know exactly what Trump said. I was just taking a light hearted poke at him. However, Mexico is not sending their people as he says. The people in question are doing whatever possible to leave Mexico. Yes, there are loads of trash coming in with the ones seeking better lives. Let' stop here because this line of discussion can turn into a major hijack! Originally posted by mdg2003 I can't really think of a big metropolis (1.5M+ people) with very lenient gun laws that has relatively little gun crime. Is there one? I think San Antonio probably fits in here. I think officially we're in at 1.5m. 'Unofficially'? I imagine there are at least another 500K. Our city is spread out all over the place with outlying communities similar to LA. So the overall area that is loosely regarded as being SA would have even more people. There are so many slow nights around here that our weatherman kills airtime showing his vegetable garden.By August we were fairly low at 63. http://www.sanantonio.gov/sapd/UniformCrimeReports.aspx. I can't find the breakdown, but we have a lot of knife murders and assaults. Those are usually tavern related at 1AM. Unfortunately, our crime rate has soared since I moved here in 99. But so has our population, so I guess it is unavoidable. I guess our relatively low crime rate kind of shoots the Donald's theory of, "those people" swimming across the border to commit crimes, right in the buttocks... ETA - We do rule when it comes to DWI, obesity and diabetes rates!  Just to throw in a quick context adjustment on Trump's statements: "When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. …They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems to us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people." - Trump House Judiciary Committee Chairman Robert Goodlatte released data earlier this year that showed deportations as well as arrests of criminal aliens dropped about 30 percent during the first six months of this fiscal year. Moreover, the 30,558 criminal aliens that ICE released back on the streets in 2014 garnered almost 80,000 convictions. These included 250 homicides, 186 kidnappings, 373 sexual assaults, 13,636 convictions for driving under the influence, 1,589 weapons offenses, 994 aggravated assaults, 56 arsons and 31 smuggling offenses. Trump's statement was obviously leaning more on the most are bad side of the argument versus most are good, but I also don't think you can completely ignore the criminal impact of illegal immigration in America and pretend like it's not happening. oh come on now... we need more hijacking. Sorry I missed the lighthearted poke. |
| 2015-10-20 1:46 PM in reply to: Jackemy1 |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: Gun Advocates, What Say You?? Originally posted by Jackemy1 Originally posted by jmk-brooklyn So you're right that the anti-gun people haven't done a great job of proving that less guns= less crime, but neither have the pro-gun people done a good job of proving that more guns=less crime. I don't think us pro gun people are advocating for more guns. We are advocating for the individual right to to defend oneself with a firearm if that person wishes to do so. But I think the burden of proof is with the guys who want to change the laws. You need to prove to me why I should relinquish my rights. I shouldn't have to prove to you why I should keep my rights. I for one am most certainly advocating for more guns, but my wife keeps telling me no. So, I am experiencing gun control first hand and I don't like it. |
hehe| 2015-10-20 2:35 PM in reply to: Jackemy1 |
Champion 7821 Brooklyn, NY | Subject: RE: Gun Advocates, What Say You?? Originally posted by Jackemy1 Originally posted by jmk-brooklyn So you're right that the anti-gun people haven't done a great job of proving that less guns= less crime, but neither have the pro-gun people done a good job of proving that more guns=less crime. I don't think us pro gun people are advocating for more guns. We are advocating for the individual right to to defend oneself with a firearm if that person wishes to do so. But I think the burden of proof is with the guys who want to change the laws. You need to prove to me why I should relinquish my rights. I shouldn't have to prove to you why I should keep my rights. I never said you are advocating for "more guns", but you said explicitly in an earlier post that places that have more guns (or at least more lenient gun laws, which might as well be the same thing) have less crime, and I'm presenting evidence that says that it isn't always true. I'd also like for you to show me where I've said that I think you should relinquish your rights or that you shouldn't get to keep your guns or that I don't believe in an individual's right to defend oneself with a firearm. |
| 2015-10-20 2:58 PM in reply to: jmk-brooklyn |
Pro 6838 Tejas | Subject: RE: Gun Advocates, What Say You?? Looks like knife fight problem has gotten worse over night... http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/Police-Man-stabbed-w... |
| 2015-10-20 3:05 PM in reply to: tuwood |
Champion 7821 Brooklyn, NY | Subject: RE: Gun Advocates, What Say You?? Originally posted by tuwood Originally posted by Jackemy1 Originally posted by jmk-brooklyn So you're right that the anti-gun people haven't done a great job of proving that less guns= less crime, but neither have the pro-gun people done a good job of proving that more guns=less crime. I don't think us pro gun people are advocating for more guns. We are advocating for the individual right to to defend oneself with a firearm if that person wishes to do so. But I think the burden of proof is with the guys who want to change the laws. You need to prove to me why I should relinquish my rights. I shouldn't have to prove to you why I should keep my rights. I for one am most certainly advocating for more guns, but my wife keeps telling me no. So, I am experiencing gun control first hand and I don't like it. Why does your wife hate America? So the n+1 formula works for guns as well? I could see why it would. |
| 2015-10-20 3:05 PM in reply to: mdg2003 |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: Gun Advocates, What Say You?? Originally posted by mdg2003 Looks like knife fight problem has gotten worse over night... http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/Police-Man-stabbed-w... and then some... I think we need to regulate machete's and cars after watching this one. I mean, if it saves one life. ;-) |
| 2015-10-20 3:09 PM in reply to: mdg2003 |
Champion 7821 Brooklyn, NY | Subject: RE: Gun Advocates, What Say You?? Originally posted by mdg2003 I can't really think of a big metropolis (1.5M+ people) with very lenient gun laws that has relatively little gun crime. Is there one? I think San Antonio probably fits in here. I think officially we're in at 1.5m. 'Unofficially'? I imagine there are at least another 500K. Our city is spread out all over the place with outlying communities similar to LA. So the overall area that is loosely regarded as being SA would have even more people. There are so many slow nights around here that our weatherman kills airtime showing his vegetable garden.By August we were fairly low at 63. http://www.sanantonio.gov/sapd/UniformCrimeReports.aspx. I can't find the breakdown, but we have a lot of knife murders and assaults. Those are usually tavern related at 1AM. Unfortunately, our crime rate has soared since I moved here in 99. But so has our population, so I guess it is unavoidable. I guess our relatively low crime rate kind of shoots the Donald's theory of, "those people" swimming across the border to commit crimes, right in the buttocks... ETA - We do rule when it comes to DWI, obesity and diabetes rates! Side note-- you live in San Antonio? San Antonio's awesome. i totally get the obesity thing-- we had amazing food there. If I lived there, I would weigh 300 lbs easy. We were just passing through on the way to the Hill Country, so we only stayed a couple of days-- just enough time for the Alamo, River Walk, etc. |
| 2015-10-20 7:41 PM in reply to: tuwood |
Pro 6838 Tejas | Subject: RE: Gun Advocates, What Say You?? Originally posted by tuwood Originally posted by mdg2003 Looks like knife fight problem has gotten worse over night... http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/Police-Man-stabbed-w... and then some... I think we need to regulate machete's and cars after watching this one. I mean, if it saves one life. ;-) Well, sure, as long as it's for the children. |
| 2015-10-20 7:41 PM in reply to: tuwood |
Pro 6838 Tejas | Subject: RE: Gun Advocates, What Say You?? Originally posted by tuwood Originally posted by mdg2003 Looks like knife fight problem has gotten worse over night... http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/Police-Man-stabbed-w... and then some... I think we need to regulate machete's and cars after watching this one. I mean, if it saves one life. ;-) For the children, of course.. |
| 2015-10-20 7:41 PM in reply to: tuwood |
Pro 6838 Tejas | Subject: RE: Gun Advocates, What Say You?? Originally posted by tuwood Originally posted by mdg2003 Looks like knife fight problem has gotten worse over night... http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/Police-Man-stabbed-w... and then some... I think we need to regulate machete's and cars after watching this one. I mean, if it saves one life. ;-) For the children, of course.. |
| 2015-10-20 7:41 PM in reply to: tuwood |
Pro 6838 Tejas | Subject: RE: Gun Advocates, What Say You?? Originally posted by tuwood Originally posted by mdg2003 Looks like knife fight problem has gotten worse over night... http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/Police-Man-stabbed-w... and then some... I think we need to regulate machete's and cars after watching this one. I mean, if it saves one life. ;-) For the children, of course.. |
| 2015-10-20 7:41 PM in reply to: tuwood |
Pro 6838 Tejas | Subject: RE: Gun Advocates, What Say You?? Originally posted by tuwood Originally posted by mdg2003 Looks like knife fight problem has gotten worse over night... http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/Police-Man-stabbed-w... and then some... I think we need to regulate machete's and cars after watching this one. I mean, if it saves one life. ;-) For the children, of course.. |
| 2015-10-20 7:41 PM in reply to: tuwood |
Pro 6838 Tejas | Subject: RE: Gun Advocates, What Say You?? Originally posted by tuwood Originally posted by mdg2003 Looks like knife fight problem has gotten worse over night... http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/Police-Man-stabbed-w... and then some... I think we need to regulate machete's and cars after watching this one. I mean, if it saves one life. ;-) For the children, of course.. |
| 2015-10-20 7:41 PM in reply to: tuwood |
Pro 6838 Tejas | Subject: RE: Gun Advocates, What Say You?? Originally posted by tuwood Originally posted by mdg2003 Looks like knife fight problem has gotten worse over night... http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/Police-Man-stabbed-w... and then some... I think we need to regulate machete's and cars after watching this one. I mean, if it saves one life. ;-) For the children, of course.. |
| 2015-10-20 7:41 PM in reply to: tuwood |
Pro 6838 Tejas | Subject: RE: Gun Advocates, What Say You?? Originally posted by tuwood Originally posted by mdg2003 Looks like knife fight problem has gotten worse over night... http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/Police-Man-stabbed-w... and then some... I think we need to regulate machete's and cars after watching this one. I mean, if it saves one life. ;-) For the children, of course.. |
| 2015-10-20 7:55 PM in reply to: mdg2003 |
Pro 6838 Tejas | Subject: RE: Gun Advocates, What Say You?? Holy Carp! Something glitched. Sorry for extra posts. |
| 2015-10-20 8:04 PM in reply to: jmk-brooklyn |
Pro 6838 Tejas | Subject: RE: Gun Advocates, What Say You?? Originally posted by jmk-brooklyn Originally posted by mdg2003 I can't really think of a big metropolis (1.5M+ people) with very lenient gun laws that has relatively little gun crime. Is there one? I think San Antonio probably fits in here. I think officially we're in at 1.5m. 'Unofficially'? I imagine there are at least another 500K. Our city is spread out all over the place with outlying communities similar to LA. So the overall area that is loosely regarded as being SA would have even more people. There are so many slow nights around here that our weatherman kills airtime showing his vegetable garden.By August we were fairly low at 63. http://www.sanantonio.gov/sapd/UniformCrimeReports.aspx. I can't find the breakdown, but we have a lot of knife murders and assaults. Those are usually tavern related at 1AM. Unfortunately, our crime rate has soared since I moved here in 99. But so has our population, so I guess it is unavoidable. I guess our relatively low crime rate kind of shoots the Donald's theory of, "those people" swimming across the border to commit crimes, right in the buttocks... ETA - We do rule when it comes to DWI, obesity and diabetes rates! Side note-- you live in San Antonio? San Antonio's awesome. i totally get the obesity thing-- we had amazing food there. If I lived there, I would weigh 300 lbs easy. We were just passing through on the way to the Hill Country, so we only stayed a couple of days-- just enough time for the Alamo, River Walk, etc. Yeah, a guy can get a bite to eat around here for sure. My mailing is SA, but just barely. We live on the very northern edge of the county line, almost in Bulverde. We still love living here even with the recent population explosion. |
| 2015-10-21 8:35 AM in reply to: mdg2003 |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: Gun Advocates, What Say You?? Originally posted by mdg2003 Holy Carp! Something glitched. Sorry for extra posts. Extra posts for children awareness |
| 2015-10-21 9:01 AM in reply to: mdg2003 |
Champion 7821 Brooklyn, NY | Subject: RE: Gun Advocates, What Say You?? Originally posted by mdg2003 Holy Carp! Something glitched. Sorry for extra posts. If the extra posts mean that just one more person got to read it, it was all worth it. |
| 2015-10-21 9:06 AM in reply to: jmk-brooklyn |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Gun Advocates, What Say You?? Originally posted by jmk-brooklyn Originally posted by mdg2003 Holy Carp! Something glitched. Sorry for extra posts. If the extra posts mean that just one more person got to read it, it was all worth it. I think we should ban semi-auto posts......for the children. |
| 2015-10-21 9:49 AM in reply to: jmk-brooklyn |
Member 465 | Subject: RE: Gun Advocates, What Say You?? Originally posted by jmk-brooklyn Originally posted by Jackemy1 Originally posted by jmk-brooklyn So you're right that the anti-gun people haven't done a great job of proving that less guns= less crime, but neither have the pro-gun people done a good job of proving that more guns=less crime. I don't think us pro gun people are advocating for more guns. We are advocating for the individual right to to defend oneself with a firearm if that person wishes to do so. But I think the burden of proof is with the guys who want to change the laws. You need to prove to me why I should relinquish my rights. I shouldn't have to prove to you why I should keep my rights. I never said you are advocating for "more guns", but you said explicitly in an earlier post that places that have more guns (or at least more lenient gun laws, which might as well be the same thing) have less crime, and I'm presenting evidence that says that it isn't always true. I'd also like for you to show me where I've said that I think you should relinquish your rights or that you shouldn't get to keep your guns or that I don't believe in an individual's right to defend oneself with a firearm. I wasn't referring to you. I was referring to the anti-gun crowd. I don't have time to go through this thread but on with the first page or two I've pulled out these quotes: "A trade in program for guns....and why don't we lock up gun owners the way we do black kids who have a little bit of pot." "Here is a modest proposal. First, we abolish the Second Amendment and make unlawful possession of a firearm a felony punishable by $500,000 fine per firearm and of course loss of voting rights. Third, we seek out and prosecute willful violators of the law…… and take the NRA and radical pro gun lobby out of the electorate" So I think you can probably see where I might get my impression. I don't think that wanting lenient gun laws advocate for more guns just as I don't think wanting lenient pot laws advocate for more pot use. |
| 2015-10-23 9:11 PM in reply to: Left Brain |
Expert 2180 Boise, Idaho | Subject: RE: Gun Advocates, What Say You?? Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by jmk-brooklyn Originally posted by mdg2003 Holy Carp! Something glitched. Sorry for extra posts. If the extra posts mean that just one more person got to read it, it was all worth it. I think we should ban semi-auto posts......for the children. Ok, I noticed that. |
| 2015-10-23 10:41 PM in reply to: jeffnboise |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Gun Advocates, What Say You?? Originally posted by jeffnboise Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by jmk-brooklyn Originally posted by mdg2003 Holy Carp! Something glitched. Sorry for extra posts. If the extra posts mean that just one more person got to read it, it was all worth it. I think we should ban semi-auto posts......for the children. Ok, I noticed that.
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| 2015-10-24 11:06 AM in reply to: Left Brain |
Pro 6838 Tejas | Subject: RE: Gun Advocates, What Say You?? Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by jeffnboise Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by jmk-brooklyn Originally posted by mdg2003 Holy Carp! Something glitched. Sorry for extra posts. If the extra posts mean that just one more person got to read it, it was all worth it. I think we should ban semi-auto posts......for the children. Ok, I noticed that.
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| 2015-10-25 1:45 PM in reply to: mdg2003 |
Pro 6838 Tejas | Subject: RE: Gun Advocates, What Say You?? Looks like the crisis is over. They found all the guns. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/10/25/south-carolina-officials-seize... |
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