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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Local LBS said I was nuts to put on a 12-27 for CdA. Said I should go 11-28. Any course vetrans care to comment? I ride a standard 52/38 crank. |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() phatknot - 2011-05-16 3:19 PM you guys are throwing down some mega volume and training in some killer locations! I had a good day taking clydes at Rev3Knox with 15Step. We battled lots of hills and technical descents on the bike that I figure will have to help in Idaho. The run was also hilly so that can't hurt. I got absolutely crushed in the swim, so I reckon I will stay to the side or back in IMCDA rather than upfront where I was treated like a rag doll in the water. I'm right there with you on the swim. For some reason, I had a lot of trouble with this one, what with people and choppy water coming back in. Yep, Rev3 Knoxville is a pretty good course to test out for CdA. Lots of hills, cold crowded swim. Finished in 5:17 and would have gone a few minutes faster without some bad pacing on the run. I think I am in a comfortable spot for CdA, and will be ready for a surefire PR come June ![]() |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() 3Aims - 2011-05-17 8:48 AM Local LBS said I was nuts to put on a 12-27 for CdA. Said I should go 11-28. Any course vetrans care to comment? I ride a standard 52/38 crank. Seems like some strong bike folks here in the forum can certainly comment. But, if you do the math: 52x11 @ 80 RPM is going to be about 29.3 MPH 38x11 @ 80 RPM is going to be about 21.4 MPH 52x12 @ 80 RPM is going to be about 26.8 MPH 38x12 @ 80 RPM is going to be about 19.6 MPH You just need to decide how much time you are going to spend pushing each of these gear ratios in the race and determine if the loss of top end speed going from the 11 to the 12 is worth it. Seems to me that the one thing you will get out of the 11-28 over the 12-27 is bigger jumps between gears. This could be an issue if you are not used to the cluster because it will be harder for you to find a good gear for some parts of the ride. I personally like clusters with smaller jumps between gears and went with an 12 instead of an 11 for that simple reason. I don't for a minute regret the loss of top end speed mostly because in the Triathlon I am in the middle of my cluster for the vast majority of the time. Of course, the 28 might provide you with a good extra bit of insurance in your bailout gear. In the end, the customer is always right. I would find another LBS, one that won't insult you when you ask for something ![]() |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() 3Aims - 2011-05-17 8:48 AM Local LBS said I was nuts to put on a 12-27 for CdA. Said I should go 11-28. Any course vetrans care to comment? I ride a standard 52/38 crank. I prefer the 12-27. Reason? You shouldn't hammer downhills anyhow, so the 11 versus 12 isn't important. And for the hills, the 27 versus 28 is a very small difference in gear ratio. But the 12-27 Shimano has a 16 that I spend a lot of time in on the flats. The 11-28 skips over that gear, making it harder to dial in a comfort zone sometimes. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() spudone - 2011-05-17 12:25 PM 3Aims - 2011-05-17 8:48 AM Local LBS said I was nuts to put on a 12-27 for CdA. Said I should go 11-28. Any course vetrans care to comment? I ride a standard 52/38 crank. I prefer the 12-27. Reason? You shouldn't hammer downhills anyhow, so the 11 versus 12 isn't important. And for the hills, the 27 versus 28 is a very small difference in gear ratio. But the 12-27 Shimano has a 16 that I spend a lot of time in on the flats. The 11-28 skips over that gear, making it harder to dial in a comfort zone sometimes. I agree with this advice, generally. Ultimately, it depends on how strong of a cyclist you are and whether that 28 vs 27 is worth it, at the expense of a wider (less tightly grouped) cassette. If you were on a compact and from what I know of your abilities, I'd say not to give it a second thought. Since you are riding a standard, in general I'd say 28 is smart if you are a weak cyclist and not necessary if you are a strong one. Nonetheless, I'll reference the previous post of mine where I linked to a slowtwitch thread where a whole bunch of low 5 hour riders were recommending compact + 12/27 or 11/28... meaning there probably are some climbs where even a strong cyclist should be spinning up in a granny gear. Having the 11 vs the 12, especially with a standard crank, is a moot point. Recalcuate those 80rpm speeds for 100rpm and you'll see that you never need that hardest gear. If you get going that fast, you're on a steep descent and you're probably better off tucking without pedaling at that point anyway. Also to keep in mind - certain 10 speed derailleurs were not designed for more than a 27 tooth cassette. I think you are fine with any dura ace, any new (6700) ultegra, but not older ultegra. I don't know off the top of my head about specific SRAM or lower end Shimano groups... but believe that certain SRAM groups can go higher than 28.
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Thanks for the feedback. I left the LBS with my wheels in hand becuase the 11-28 argument did not feel right. I actually use the 16 ring a bunch when you look at my wear pattern on my 12-25. I ordered a Dura-Ace 7900 12-27 to match my other Dura-Ace components. Also picked up a new matching chain and two new Coras Evo CX tires (which have been sold out all over town for a month now). I think I'm set.
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() ouch for the LBS! Customer service is really important though. I love my LBS but I dont think they were very happy I ended up getting my new bike from my sponsor all3sports.com. However, you cant pay close to retail when you get a good deal elsewhere. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() 3Aims - 2011-05-17 1:32 PM Thanks for the feedback. I left the LBS with my wheels in hand becuase the 11-28 argument did not feel right. I actually use the 16 ring a bunch when you look at my wear pattern on my 12-25. I ordered a Dura-Ace 7900 12-27 to match my other Dura-Ace components. Also picked up a new matching chain and two new Coras Evo CX tires (which have been sold out all over town for a month now). I think I'm set. I put my 16 from a 12-25 cassette into my 11-28 and got rid of the 11. Now it is a 12-13-14-15-16-17-19-21-24-28 Spacing is nice and tight where I need it and nice big jumps when I want it to get easier quick. |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Hey folks! I'm not running CdA, but I'm volunteering and my brother is running it. Our planned accomodations kind of got derailed (long story) so now we are looking at hotels and they are PRICEY!!! Anyone have any inside scoop on some relatively low cost hotels in the area? We both are pretty low maintenance and don't require five star accomodations, 1/2 star works for us! Thanks for any help. |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I'm also volunteering. If Cd'A hotels are booked and too expensive, you might try looking in Post Falls - it's only about 8 miles west on I-90 and has some reasonably priced hotels. Here is a link to a list of hotels on TripAdvisor (there is also a Holiday Inn Express that I don't see on this list). http://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotels-g35576-Post_Falls_Idaho-Hotels.html
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() PrivateIdaho - 2011-05-17 3:50 PM I'm also volunteering. If Cd'A hotels are booked and too expensive, you might try looking in Post Falls - it's only about 8 miles west on I-90 and has some reasonably priced hotels. Here is a link to a list of hotels on TripAdvisor (there is also a Holiday Inn Express that I don't see on this list). http://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotels-g35576-Post_Falls_Idaho-Hotels.html Spokane is your next fallback, if you don't mind driving 30-40 mins to Coeur d'Alene. You could easily find something for $75 a night there. |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() The problem with Spokane is that it is also "Hoopfest" weekend - the largest three-on-three basketball tournament in the world will be taking place on the streets of Spokane. There will be 200,000 baskeball players participating and I bet there aren't any rooms available. |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() ltoson - 2011-05-17 3:33 PM Hey folks! I'm not running CdA, but I'm volunteering and my brother is running it. Our planned accomodations kind of got derailed (long story) so now we are looking at hotels and they are PRICEY!!! Anyone have any inside scoop on some relatively low cost hotels in the area? We both are pretty low maintenance and don't require five star accomodations, 1/2 star works for us! Thanks for any help. Last year we got reservations at the super swanky Motel 6 just off Government Way. Pretty minimal accommodations, and they jacked the price up to $100+/night. But it was clean and close to the race. And a lot cheaper than some of the other options. |
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() PrivateIdaho - 2011-05-17 7:02 PM The problem with Spokane is that it is also "Hoopfest" weekend - the largest three-on-three basketball tournament in the world will be taking place on the streets of Spokane. There will be 200,000 baskeball players participating and I bet there aren't any rooms available.
I was checking Spokane as recent as 2 weeks ago and there were tons of rooms left |
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Member![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() lessons learned the easy way for once...didn't feel great after my long run on Sunday and got progressively worse as the day went on. Decided to sleep in Monday (first time in over 2 months) and as I still wasn't feeling well took the whole day off training...repeated this on Tuesday even though I was starting to feel like I should be out there. Today, feeling much better and got my two hour bike in this morning and feeling like I am on the right side of this. Two days off, especially when it is shorter & easier workouts is pretty insignificant when it saves you having to take a week off and miss some key workouts. I should be ready to go as things heat up again on he weekend! |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() PGoldberger - 2011-05-17 5:21 PM 3Aims - 2011-05-17 1:32 PM Thanks for the feedback. I left the LBS with my wheels in hand becuase the 11-28 argument did not feel right. I actually use the 16 ring a bunch when you look at my wear pattern on my 12-25. I ordered a Dura-Ace 7900 12-27 to match my other Dura-Ace components. Also picked up a new matching chain and two new Coras Evo CX tires (which have been sold out all over town for a month now). I think I'm set. I put my 16 from a 12-25 cassette into my 11-28 and got rid of the 11. Now it is a 12-13-14-15-16-17-19-21-24-28 Spacing is nice and tight where I need it and nice big jumps when I want it to get easier quick. You know, that makes TOTAL sense to grab the gears you want a customize a cassette... but it had never occurred to me to do. Thanks for the tip. |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() gus - 2011-05-18 1:55 AM lessons learned the easy way for once...didn't feel great after my long run on Sunday and got progressively worse as the day went on. Decided to sleep in Monday (first time in over 2 months) and as I still wasn't feeling well took the whole day off training...repeated this on Tuesday even though I was starting to feel like I should be out there. Today, feeling much better and got my two hour bike in this morning and feeling like I am on the right side of this. Two days off, especially when it is shorter & easier workouts is pretty insignificant when it saves you having to take a week off and miss some key workouts. I should be ready to go as things heat up again on he weekend! Get well. My whole family is sick with a nasty viral and I'm praying I don't catch it. |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Man, who would have thought even a year ago that one day I would actually enjoy doing three workouts a day. It really is a great feeling after running to the pool, swimming 3k yards and running home again after doing a 2 hour bike ride earlier in the day....to just collapse on the couch and bask in the exhaustion. Whats even more amazing is that this kind of stuff is happening 5 or 6 days a week.
At this point I am beyond confident that I (and the rest of you) will be lakeside on June 26th knowing I busted my a$$ to get there.
Also: just ordered a new 11-28 9speed cassette and chain (I have been running an 8 speed setup) and last night I rerouted my cables/shifted to put them on the right side. When I originally built the bike I reversed them. Edited by jackson61802 2011-05-18 12:07 PM |
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New user ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Great numbers everyone. Been hitting it hard and feeling stronger these last two weeks, though with all the windy days here lately I am rethinking the race wheels idea. I almost went down twice last night on S. Mt with the cross winds picking up and that's with my Mavics! I can't imagine what I'd feel with a 404 and 808 on there. Any thoughts? To those of you battling injuries - my last 18 mile run and prior 10 days was on an elliptical and now I am back to 100%. Just an idea to get the time and distance/cardio in and also add some mental game prep in as well. Looked a little funny having gels on the elliptical but it sure beat taking the time completely off after the HIM. One last question - those of you using INFINIT on the bike - do you make up two 3 hour bottles or have some at special needs? Thanks all! We GOT THIS! |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I swear, if I do not go 100 miles of running this month I'm gonna have a duck....maybe going rogue on the plan is the only way to do this. In all seriousness, I think that we are all a lot more prepared than for which we tend to give ourselves credit. I am not busing out insane numbers like others (I'm looking at you, Slayer) but I feel confident in my training and I know I am significantly stronger than last year. Everyone should be very proud of their effort thus far, just think of how many miles you have traveled since the beginning of the year! That alone is an accomplishment few can brag about. Be confident in your training, respect the course, and dominate CdA ![]() Edited by 15step 2011-05-18 2:46 PM |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() dfrash_1 - 2011-05-18 2:07 PM One last question - those of you using INFINIT on the bike - do you make up two 3 hour bottles or have some at special needs? Thanks all! We GOT THIS! Last year I had 2 3x bottles with me on the bike, plus 1 for strict water. I think this year I plan to have just two bottles on the bike, one for water and 1 3hr bottle. The other 3hr bottle will be in special needs. I did not stop at special needs last year, but I think I will plan for the pitstop this time around. 1-2 minutes of special needs is not gonna kill you, plus I guarantee you will welcome a nice leg stretch break. |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() My numbers feel so weak compared to guys like Gus and Waterdog66 but thanks for the shout out. True about the process holding alot of weight more than the actual race but you can't have one without the other. IOW, the more you put in, the more you should get out in most cases. Of note, I had an awesome final run split at Rev3 (6:36 for 3.6mi) and I think its a direct representation of my 50 mi avg weeks. I never have run this much and I was a single sport runner before tri-life. Therefore, my training must be paying off. I only wish I could be doing more, but keeping Mrs. Slayer happy has been the priority of late so my numbers have begun to suffer a bit. Others have had to deal with other priorities. Still, most of us have done tons of work and should feel some modicum of confidence going in. My biggest worry of late was the 50 degree water cited yesterday or the day before. |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() My biggest worry of late was the 50 degree water cited yesterday or the day before. You just go numb faster than 60 degrees. It's all good |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() phatknot - 2011-05-18 3:35 PM My biggest worry of late was the 50 degree water cited yesterday or the day before. That's why I told you to swim more |
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Veteran![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() dfrash_1 - 2011-05-18 12:07 PM Great numbers everyone. Been hitting it hard and feeling stronger these last two weeks, though with all the windy days here lately I am rethinking the race wheels idea. I almost went down twice last night on S. Mt with the cross winds picking up and that's with my Mavics! I can't imagine what I'd feel with a 404 and 808 on there. Any thoughts? To those of you battling injuries - my last 18 mile run and prior 10 days was on an elliptical and now I am back to 100%. Just an idea to get the time and distance/cardio in and also add some mental game prep in as well. Looked a little funny having gels on the elliptical but it sure beat taking the time completely off after the HIM. One last question - those of you using INFINIT on the bike - do you make up two 3 hour bottles or have some at special needs? Thanks all! We GOT THIS!
I know what you mean with the crosswinds -- pretty serious gusts in Colorado (30-40mph). I've been training on my race wheels (808s) to make sure I have a good feel for whatever raceday brings. I'll say there have been a couple of un-nerving situations, but you'd be surprised how much leverage your weight in the aerobars provides to keep you both straight (mostly) and upright. The most important thing is your confidence though. If you can get a couple training rides in with a deep cut wheel I thing it would help. Train safe, C |
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