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karen26.2 - 2012-08-01 1:37 PM But how long does it take for these substances to not be detectable in a test? How can an athlete take something and not test positive even if they stop before competition? Wouldn't it still show up?

Clomid? I think I took that when I was trying to get pregnant. Same stuff? My emotions were a roller coaster - laughing one minute, bawling my eyes out the next. How can that enhance performance?

 

Lets just say they were on Albuterol, like clen but has a shorter half life so instead of one dose daily you take 3, it has a short half life and should be undetectable under a week or so in a urine test and 2 max in a blood test.  So you've already reaped the cardio and weight loss benefits and it's gone. Roids are longer due to the fact you have to go on something like Clomid (yes that clomid) to bring your natural testosterone production back.  You're looking at a month to month and a half after a steroid cycle.  And then there are masking agents and the scientists who help the cheaters are always ahead of the tests.  

Clomid (fertility enhancer) and Nolvadex (cancer drug) both are used to bring a steroid users HTPA (natural testosterone production) back up to par after it shuts down due to having synthetic testosterone in the body. 

Lord I know way too much about this stuff.



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karen26.2 - 2012-08-01 2:37 PM But how long does it take for these substances to not be detectable in a test? How can an athlete take something and not test positive even if they stop before competition? Wouldn't it still show up?

Clomid? I think I took that when I was trying to get pregnant. Same stuff? My emotions were a roller coaster - laughing one minute, bawling my eyes out the next. How can that enhance performance?

I took Clomid to get pregnant with Madge.  That stuff is the devil.  I was a royal PITA (more than usual, that is).  

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carrie639 - 2012-08-01 12:32 PM Lukas Verzbicas, one of the 2016 USA Olympic hopefuls for triathlon was in a bike crash yesterday that has him currently in the ICU and having surgery today. Don't know the extent of his injuries, but I am sure he could use any and all thoughts and prayers!

That's sad.  My thoughts are with him.

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jarvy01 - 2012-08-01 2:45 PM
karen26.2 - 2012-08-01 2:37 PM But how long does it take for these substances to not be detectable in a test? How can an athlete take something and not test positive even if they stop before competition? Wouldn't it still show up?

Clomid? I think I took that when I was trying to get pregnant. Same stuff? My emotions were a roller coaster - laughing one minute, bawling my eyes out the next. How can that enhance performance?

I took Clomid to get pregnant with Madge.  That stuff is the devil.  I was a royal PITA (more than usual, that is).  

You should see 250 lbs body builders on the stuff.

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uhcoog - 2012-08-01 3:12 PM
karen26.2 - 2012-08-01 1:37 PM But how long does it take for these substances to not be detectable in a test? How can an athlete take something and not test positive even if they stop before competition? Wouldn't it still show up?

Clomid? I think I took that when I was trying to get pregnant. Same stuff? My emotions were a roller coaster - laughing one minute, bawling my eyes out the next. How can that enhance performance?

 

Lets just say they were on Albuterol, like clen but has a shorter half life so instead of one dose daily you take 3, it has a short half life and should be undetectable under a week or so in a urine test and 2 max in a blood test.  So you've already reaped the cardio and weight loss benefits and it's gone. Roids are longer due to the fact you have to go on something like Clomid (yes that clomid) to bring your natural testosterone production back.  You're looking at a month to month and a half after a steroid cycle.  And then there are masking agents and the scientists who help the cheaters are always ahead of the tests.  

Clomid (fertility enhancer) and Nolvadex (cancer drug) both are used to bring a steroid users HTPA (natural testosterone production) back up to par after it shuts down due to having synthetic testosterone in the body. 

Lord I know way too much about this stuff.

The other issue is that the tests have to be "looking" for the substance.  Dopers (and doping manufacturers) are way ahead of testers -- that's one reason cycling teams went to biological passports, which are better but not perfect.

2012-08-01 5:48 PM
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jarvy01 - 2012-08-01 8:16 AM

I surpassed my 2011 bike total this morning  Extra day of rest seemed to help.  I think I will be fine for this weekend's race.  I'm not excited about it, but I will get it done.  I'm really hoping to nail my workouts during the month of August, and then I can cruise on into September feeling good about my HIM prep.  

Play the race by ear.  If you need more rest, REST!



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jarvy01 - 2012-08-01 8:16 AM

I surpassed my 2011 bike total this morning  Extra day of rest seemed to help.  I think I will be fine for this weekend's race.  I'm not excited about it, but I will get it done.  I'm really hoping to nail my workouts during the month of August, and then I can cruise on into September feeling good about my HIM prep.  

 

Glad the rest helped! Maybe take another!!!!LOL

Congrats on your bike mileage! I have just about doubled my 2010 bike mileage - my biking has come a long way this year!

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kaburns1214 - 2012-08-01 6:46 PM
uhcoog - 2012-08-01 3:12 PM
karen26.2 - 2012-08-01 1:37 PM But how long does it take for these substances to not be detectable in a test? How can an athlete take something and not test positive even if they stop before competition? Wouldn't it still show up?

Clomid? I think I took that when I was trying to get pregnant. Same stuff? My emotions were a roller coaster - laughing one minute, bawling my eyes out the next. How can that enhance performance?

 

Lets just say they were on Albuterol, like clen but has a shorter half life so instead of one dose daily you take 3, it has a short half life and should be undetectable under a week or so in a urine test and 2 max in a blood test.  So you've already reaped the cardio and weight loss benefits and it's gone. Roids are longer due to the fact you have to go on something like Clomid (yes that clomid) to bring your natural testosterone production back.  You're looking at a month to month and a half after a steroid cycle.  And then there are masking agents and the scientists who help the cheaters are always ahead of the tests.  

Clomid (fertility enhancer) and Nolvadex (cancer drug) both are used to bring a steroid users HTPA (natural testosterone production) back up to par after it shuts down due to having synthetic testosterone in the body. 

Lord I know way too much about this stuff.

The other issue is that the tests have to be "looking" for the substance.  Dopers (and doping manufacturers) are way ahead of testers -- that's one reason cycling teams went to biological passports, which are better but not perfect.

Pardon my ignorance - whats a biological passport?

2012-08-02 6:26 AM
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Joined a new gym last night. It's the only one open at 5 a.m.  Gym has a 25 yard pool.  My old gym was 25m.  It feels like a mini pool after swimming at Lifetime for the last 2 years.  I'll have to get used to that.  I was pulling 1:28/100s for TT times this morning.  Felt great swimming & now all nice and stretched out.  Swimming is the best stretching exercise for me.  I always feel so relaxed and long when I hop out of the water.  

Taking the kids over to Cleveland Heights today to wrap up some stuff.  It's quite a project going over there - 45 minutes each way. 

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Pardon my ignorance - whats a biological passport?

 

Short answer is that it records markers such as testosterone for athletes over a long period of time and can identify discrepancies that indicate drug use (such as testosterone should gone down at a specific rate during the course of a 3 week grand tour.  If it doesn't that's an indicator that some type of doping is going on).

Here's the explanation from wiki:

An athlete biological passport is an individual, electronic record for professional athletes, in which profiles of biological markers of doping and results of doping tests are collated over a period of time. Doping violations can be detected by noting variances from an athlete’s established levels outside permissible limits, rather than testing for and identifying illegal substances.[1]

Although the terminology athlete passport is recent, the use of biological markers of doping has a long history in anti-doping. Maybe the first marker of doping, that tries to detect a prohibited substance not based on its presence in urine or blood, but through the induced deviations in biological parameters, is the so-called testosterone over epitestosterone ratio (T/E). The T/E has been used by sports authorities since the beginning of the 1980s to detect anabolic steroids in urine samples. A decade later, in 1997, markers of blood doping were introduced by some international federations, such the Union Cycliste Internationale and the Federation Internationale de Ski, to deter the abuse of recombinant erythropoietin that was undetectable by direct means at that time. It is only in 2002 that the paradigm to use biological markers of doping took the terminology 'athlete passport. The merits of this testing paradigm were exposed in the scientific literature [2] and the terminology adopted by the World Anti-Doping agency.[3]

Many believe that the athlete passport provides an excellent alternative to ensure fairness in elite sports. While a new drug test must be developed and validated for each new drug, the main advantage of the athlete passport is that it is based on the stability of the physiology of the human being. New drugs are produced at an unprecedented pace today and there is often a lag of several years between the availability of a new drug and the application of an effective detection method. On the contrary, the physiology of the human being remains the same through several generations and all biomarkers developed today in the athlete passport will remain valid for at least several decades. For example, the blood module of the passport is already sensitive today to any new future form of recombinant erythropoietin, as well as to any form of gene doping that will enhance oxygen transfer to the muscles. Also, while a negative drug test does not necessarily mean that the athlete did not dope, the athlete can present his/her passport at the beginning of a competition to attest that he/she will compete in his/her natural, unaltered condition.

 

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That's interesting Kelly.  I had never seen that before.  Just to finish up because this stuff doesn't interest anyone quite as much as it does me.  I had followed a workout log of a TT cyclist at a forum much like this that was hosted on a supplement dealer's website.  I'll qualify this with it's much like the logs here in that someone could easily fib, but really you have no reason to think so.  He ran 2 oral/over the counter steroids concurrently for 6 weeks followed by 4 weeks of clomid.  Synthetic steroids all aim to mimic natural testosterone but each one has it's own properties when it comes to benefits.  Some give you a ton of strength and not a ton of size, some give a ton of mass that isn't necessarily lean mass, some give lean mass but not a ton in the way of weight, etc.  He chose a strength builder and a lean mass builder.  So his goal was to gain maybe 5-8 lbs but a ton of power along the way.  Over the course of the 10 weeks he added 15-18% on his average wattage over given rides. 

 

Anyway moving on, I went out to happy hour with a bunch of my closest tri friends last night.  Hadn't done that in a while and I felt it in the pool this morning.  Had 4 x 600 this morning.  The first 2.5 of them were good and then I just wasn't feeling it.  Pushed through, but ugh.  Have a trainer and run workout after lunch. 

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uhcoog - 2012-08-02 9:50 AM

That's interesting Kelly.  I had never seen that before.  Just to finish up because this stuff doesn't interest anyone quite as much as it does me.  I had followed a workout log of a TT cyclist at a forum much like this that was hosted on a supplement dealer's website.  I'll qualify this with it's much like the logs here in that someone could easily fib, but really you have no reason to think so.  He ran 2 oral/over the counter steroids concurrently for 6 weeks followed by 4 weeks of clomid.  Synthetic steroids all aim to mimic natural testosterone but each one has it's own properties when it comes to benefits.  Some give you a ton of strength and not a ton of size, some give a ton of mass that isn't necessarily lean mass, some give lean mass but not a ton in the way of weight, etc.  He chose a strength builder and a lean mass builder.  So his goal was to gain maybe 5-8 lbs but a ton of power along the way.  Over the course of the 10 weeks he added 15-18% on his average wattage over given rides. 

 

Anyway moving on, I went out to happy hour with a bunch of my closest tri friends last night.  Hadn't done that in a while and I felt it in the pool this morning.  Had 4 x 600 this morning.  The first 2.5 of them were good and then I just wasn't feeling it.  Pushed through, but ugh.  Have a trainer and run workout after lunch. 

Once you understand the tactics track cycling is really fun to watch.  The legs on these guys are HUGE.  Its really incredible how fast they go. 

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kaburns1214 - 2012-08-02 6:40 AM

Olympic track cycling begins today!

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/video-guides-olympic-track-cycling-disciplines

 

Here's the live times, if anyone is interested. Pulled from the iPad App.

All times Mountain:

9am team sprint

9am tomorrow W Keirin, M team pursuit

Sat 3am Sprint qualify and Omnium Finals?
9am M Sprint and W Team Pursuit

Sun 3am Omnium 4km and W Pursuit Qualify
9am W&M Sprint M Omnium

Mon 9am M Sprint, W Omnium

Tues 9am W Sprint & Omnium, M Keirin Final


I think that's it. Kind of hard to decipher on the ipad, but there ya go.

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jarvy01 - 2012-08-01 8:16 AM

I surpassed my 2011 bike total this morning  Extra day of rest seemed to help.  I think I will be fine for this weekend's race.  I'm not excited about it, but I will get it done.  I'm really hoping to nail my workouts during the month of August, and then I can cruise on into September feeling good about my HIM prep.  

That's funny I passed mine on 7/30. I cannot wait until after my race to take a break.

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jarvy01 - 2012-08-01 8:16 AM

I surpassed my 2011 bike total this morning  Extra day of rest seemed to help.  I think I will be fine for this weekend's race.  I'm not excited about it, but I will get it done.  I'm really hoping to nail my workouts during the month of August, and then I can cruise on into September feeling good about my HIM prep.  

That's funny I passed mine on 7/30. I cannot wait until after my race to take a break.

I feel the same way, Scott.



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everlong - 2012-08-02 2:34 PM
jarvy01 - 2012-08-01 8:16 AM

I surpassed my 2011 bike total this morning  Extra day of rest seemed to help.  I think I will be fine for this weekend's race.  I'm not excited about it, but I will get it done.  I'm really hoping to nail my workouts during the month of August, and then I can cruise on into September feeling good about my HIM prep.  

That's funny I passed mine on 7/30. I cannot wait until after my race to take a break.

Generally speaking, I take at least a full week off after an A race and two to three weeks off at the end of the season.  Last year I did absolutely nothing for the week after IMLP, then took two full weeks off after IMFL.

I think its really hard to keep pushing through after an A race.  During the course of traing you do tons of micro damage to your body and you need some complete down time to recover.  What's tough is a lot of people pick a random A race and then sign up for all kinds of races around it making it difficult to find time to get complete recovery in. 

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I think I'll take a week or so off after Oilman and then start thinking about IMTX
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Kelly - are you talking to me? I do need yo take some time off, it's been years of constant go go go. My hamstring is screaming at me, my back is so bad right now I can barely walk. But it kills me to not exercise. I need to do something. I really want to start strength training. Yoga would be the logical choice, I'm the least flexible person on the planet.

In other news I have cankles! My poor ankles are retaining so much water it's not funny. My husband freaked out when I told him to look at them, and asked what the hell they were. ?

We are just out of St. Louis and I want to be home soooooo bad. Miss my puppies who apparently missed us too. My son flew back home and picked them up yesterday and he said they are very thin. This car ride is getting old. Thank god for Siris radio.

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karen26.2 - 2012-08-02 11:10 PM Kelly - are you talking to me? I do need yo take some time off, it's been years of constant go go go. My hamstring is screaming at me, my back is so bad right now I can barely walk. But it kills me to not exercise. I need to do something. I really want to start strength training. Yoga would be the logical choice, I'm the least flexible person on the planet.

In other news I have cankles! My poor ankles are retaining so much water it's not funny. My husband freaked out when I told him to look at them, and asked what the hell they were. ?

We are just out of St. Louis and I want to be home soooooo bad. Miss my puppies who apparently missed us too. My son flew back home and picked them up yesterday and he said they are very thin. This car ride is getting old. Thank god for Siris radio.

Did you look at your schedule?  There are two weeks of rest days.

Joking aside, you are a good example of someone who has kept continually working and needs a little down time.

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I did sign up for my A race and then filled my calendar with whatever races I wanted to do, so I felt you were speaking to me, too, Kelly.  Only blessing was that I knew how I felt toward the end of last season, so I only signed up for 5 triathlons/1 HM.  My season last summer was ridiculous for a beginner.  2 races too many, and I ended up not touching my bike for 2 months and not swimming for 3 after my last race in Sept.  I'll be asking for help planning my next season

I want to take 2 weeks off after Cedar Point.....just walking with my kiddies, cycling with my oldest for fun, etc.  Like Karen, I really want to get into strength training and yoga in the fall.  I feel like my cardiovascular system is strong, but the strength of my leg muscles fails me sometimes.   



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See there is still a part of me that is oh so scared that I'll fall back into bad eating and exercise habits if I take longer than a week or so off.  It's totally mental with me.
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So Saturday is my last triathlon race of the season. However, it is not my last 'race'. I have Spartan race(August), Army Ten Miler(October), and the MCM(October). After MCM I will take some time off from running at least for a couple of weeks. So in the mean time until next years season what is the best thing for me to do for bike and swim? I saw BT has some maintenance workouts, would those be good in the mean time. I am still undecided about next years HIM or HIMs. I am now leaning towards Augusta but I would love some help planning my season next year once I decide.

 

Kelly, you will be proud of me. I started to learn fly last night after my small swim workout  The coach was great about breaking the stroke down into a few different drills. He was good enough to say that is enough for today and told me go home and rest and get ready for Saturday haha. It was cool to be doing something besides free and back(which I use rarely).

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uhcoog - 2012-08-03 9:29 AM See there is still a part of me that is oh so scared that I'll fall back into bad eating and exercise habits if I take longer than a week or so off.  It's totally mental with me.

You won't.  Your body really needs the rest at the end of a long season.  And even if you gain a little weight, you'll be back training soon enough (and your training will benefit from the rest).

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kidtri33 - 2012-08-03 9:48 AM

So Saturday is my last triathlon race of the season. However, it is not my last 'race'. I have Spartan race(August), Army Ten Miler(October), and the MCM(October). After MCM I will take some time off from running at least for a couple of weeks. So in the mean time until next years season what is the best thing for me to do for bike and swim? I saw BT has some maintenance workouts, would those be good in the mean time. I am still undecided about next years HIM or HIMs. I am now leaning towards Augusta but I would love some help planning my season next year once I decide.

 

Kelly, you will be proud of me. I started to learn fly last night after my small swim workout  The coach was great about breaking the stroke down into a few different drills. He was good enough to say that is enough for today and told me go home and rest and get ready for Saturday haha. It was cool to be doing something besides free and back(which I use rarely).

I would take a little time (a week or so) off after Satruday's race before starting to ramp up for MCM.  When trinaing for MCM I would keep swimming at least once a week (more if you have time).  Swimming is a great recovery activity and is low impact.  This is a really good time to work on form.  With regard to biking, biking helps the run.  I would use biking as a cross trianing activity and would look to do 2-3 rides per week.  More biking will only help your run.

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