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jmk-brooklyn - 2012-12-17 6:46 PM Ah, yes, the good old cars=guns argument. Any time you're ready to impose the same level of restriction on guns as we have for cars (mandatory training, mandatory vision tests, mandatory licenses, no licenses for anyone under 16, special licenses for certain kinds of vehicles--some with additional mandatory training, mandatory insurance, mandatory safety equipment, restrictions on transfer of ownership, etc etc) sign me up. I'll be all for it.

Ya, this has been beat to death on page 3, 6, 10 and here we are again.

Ya, it's the gun owners and the gun lobby that is so unyielding and unreasonable. I have no idea why they can't seem to agree with ineffective emotional based laws designed to do nothing but punish responsible law abiding citizens.

Edited to remove snarky comment.

The car analogy is silly, and yet it keeps coming up. It's not supportive of the gun lobby's position and I don't get why it keeps getting trotted out by them ad nauseam. It's not apples to apples for a million reasons.

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Why can't we just stay on guns? Why do people bring up cars, baseball bats etc? Is it because guns cannot be defended they have to bring something else into the argument? Why not just focus on guns? Don't go all slipper slope.

Also, nobody here or anywhere else I have seen is saying 'take away guns' even those of us who are pro gun control.

Those of you who are gun owners - do you not think there should be any additional gun controls? Things should just continue as they are?

Here in Texas I could go to a gun show buy a gun and carry it out, no issue. Is that really OK with most of you?

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Why can't we just stay on guns? Why do people bring up cars, baseball bats etc? Is it because guns cannot be defended they have to bring something else into the argument? Why not just focus on guns? Don't go all slipper slope.

Also, nobody here or anywhere else I have seen is saying 'take away guns' even those of us who are pro gun control.

Those of you who are gun owners - do you not think there should be any additional gun controls? Things should just continue as they are?

Here in Texas I could go to a gun show buy a gun and carry it out, no issue. Is that really OK with most of you?

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Why can't we just stay on guns? Why do people bring up cars, baseball bats etc? Is it because guns cannot be defended they have to bring something else into the argument? Why not just focus on guns? Don't go all slipper slope.

Also, nobody here or anywhere else I have seen is saying 'take away guns' even those of us who are pro gun control.

Those of you who are gun owners - do you not think there should be any additional gun controls? Things should just continue as they are?

Here in Texas I could go to a gun show buy a gun and carry it out, no issue. Is that really OK with most of you?

Just ran for 45 mins and thought the whole time, how did cars get into this thread. A car was not driven into a school on Friday on purpose, premeditated to kill 26 innocent people. It just didn't happen. It was a gun, in the hands of a lunatic.

We all accept cars are metal killing machines - start another thread. you'll get plenty of takers.

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powerman - 2012-12-18 11:08 AM So then answer me this.... seems most are against the evil black assault rifle. I keep saying I am not societies problem if I have one. So then, as a law abiding citizen, one that has no violent history, or mental illness. What is the problem with me owning a semi-automatic rifle? What would you want from me to prove that I am not going to use that weapon in a mass shooting?

If I may answer a question with a question - why would you want one?

It's a versitile rifle. It can take small game, good accuracy... great depending on what you want. Target shoot, home defense, lots of parts, easy to work on... many reasons.

But then you could argue that as you are not a threat to society then you should be able to be in possession of even the deadliest weapon....after all you're not a threat.

I believe it comes to drawing a line in the sand. This guy used an assault rifle, this is now what Joe Public believes to be the issue.

In fact we all know it was the guy using the weapon who was the issue. Had he not had access to this particular weapon what would have been the outcome - we don't know. BUT if people believe it could have been prevented by this particular weapon not being legally available then action will no doubt be taken to remove this from the list of legal firearms.

It's legal for me to own a fully automatic machine gun. Requirments are strict, and I personally have no good reason for one, but I just have to fill out the paper work and pay the tax fee.

If it is legal then it's not a problem - if they made it illegal where do you stand? Would you hand it over and downgrade or whatever the correct terminology is? I think you would because you already have proven by taking the appropriate ownership steps that you obey the law.

Forgive my naive approach i live in Australia this is very alien to me.

I used to live in Perth as a kid.

I most certainly would turn it over if it came to that. I follow the law. I like my freedom. I am way too busy to get into a shootout with Federal agents. Next fdecade isn't really looking good for me either.

That's what I thought, and I think those that are not a threat will all do the same as you. As you said in a further post - this does not remove the bad people from the equation. But again - does it make it more difficult for them...could be.

Yes it could. Determined individuals will find a way, but we do not have to make it easy... but it has already been determined based on irrational fears I have no good use or reason to own a semi auto rifle... so that is just the end of discussion.

62 mass shooting in the last 30 years with 4 or more people.

63 individuals carried out the attacks.

977 people injured or killed.

Of the 142 guns used by the assailants.... 35 were assault weapons.

38 of the murderers displayed signs of mental illness prior to the shooting.

250 million - 280 million fire arms in America.

15% of those are assault rifles. 37 million (NRA)

30% of Americans own a gun.... 90 million Americans (Gallup)

62 murderers/35 assault rifles

90 million owners/ 37 million rifles

< 1 murderer per million owners/ roughly one rifle per million in use

I do not care to do the math of what percentage of deaths were by assault rifles over the last 30 years.... but obviously to some... 977 people injured or killed over the last 30 years requires a complete overhaul of the American Constitution.

The obvious answer is to punish the law abiding owners.

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Why can't we just stay on guns? Why do people bring up cars, baseball bats etc? Is it because guns cannot be defended they have to bring something else into the argument? Why not just focus on guns? Don't go all slipper slope.

Also, nobody here or anywhere else I have seen is saying 'take away guns' even those of us who are pro gun control.

Those of you who are gun owners - do you not think there should be any additional gun controls? Things should just continue as they are?

Here in Texas I could go to a gun show buy a gun and carry it out, no issue. Is that really OK with most of you?

Yeah, I don't get the car thing either. I don't need to justify owning guns.....I enjoy hunting and shooting sports. I like the idea that I can protect my family should all hell break loose. (not something I worry much about, but it's one reason I keep them). I have over 40 guns....I expect that number to nearly double when my father passes. No one but me can access my guns. The combination to my safe is in my will. You'd need a crane to move it.

No, I don't think there should be additional gun controls....they have been absolutely proven to be ineffectual. There is not a single advocated control that would have stopped the Sandyhook massacre. I see no reason that "things", as they relate to gun purchases, should not remain as they are.

I'm a responsible gun owner. I am the majority of gun owners. Nobody in their right mind fears us.

I am absolutely willing to compromise on personal responsibility. If the majority of people think there should be laws and serious penalties for not securing weapons, no problem from me....I agree. Of course, you have to realize that those "new laws" wouldn't be able to be implemented in the Sandyhook case, right? Another example, in my book, of how ineffectual those types of laws are.

I don't carry a gun when I'm not working. I probably should. I am well trained....I train Police Officers. My reasons for not carrying a gun are all about my children, and their friends, never coming across a gun that I just set down somewhere because I've worn one for so long I can become complacent and forgetful....to me that gun I wear at work truly is just a tool. I can easily forget I even have it on.

In my mind, the gun-control argument is a lost cause. The people you need to fear don't follow the rules, don't obey the laws, and don't care about human life. At this point, to me, it's a security issue....because anything else doesn't begin to address the problem.

I think it's cool that this discussion has remained civil.....that's a great thing in light of the raw emotion that the Sandyhook massacre brings up.

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KeriKadi - 2012-12-17 8:42 PM

Why can't we just stay on guns? Why do people bring up cars, baseball bats etc? Is it because guns cannot be defended they have to bring something else into the argument? Why not just focus on guns? Don't go all slipper slope.

Also, nobody here or anywhere else I have seen is saying 'take away guns' even those of us who are pro gun control.

Those of you who are gun owners - do you not think there should be any additional gun controls? Things should just continue as they are?

Here in Texas I could go to a gun show buy a gun and carry it out, no issue. Is that really OK with most of you?

Yeah, I don't get the car thing either. I don't need to justify owning guns.....I enjoy hunting and shooting sports. I like the idea that I can protect my family should all hell break loose. (not something I worry much about, but it's one reason I keep them). I have over 40 guns....I expect that number to nearly double when my father passes. No one but me can access my guns. The combination to my safe is in my will. You'd need a crane to move it.

No, I don't think there should be additional gun controls....they have been absolutely proven to be ineffectual. There is not a single advocated control that would have stopped the Sandyhook massacre. I see no reason that "things", as they relate to gun purchases, should not remain as they are.

I'm a responsible gun owner. I am the majority of gun owners. Nobody in their right mind fears us.

I am absolutely willing to compromise on personal responsibility. If the majority of people think there should be laws and serious penalties for not securing weapons, no problem from me....I agree. Of course, you have to realize that those "new laws" wouldn't be able to be implemented in the Sandyhook case, right? Another example, in my book, of how ineffectual those types of laws are.

I don't carry a gun when I'm not working. I probably should. I am well trained....I train Police Officers. My reasons for not carrying a gun are all about my children, and their friends, never coming across a gun that I just set down somewhere because I've worn one for so long I can become complacent and forgetful....to me that gun I wear at work truly is just a tool. I can easily forget I even have it on.

In my mind, the gun-control argument is a lost cause. The people you need to fear don't follow the rules, don't obey the laws, and don't care about human life. At this point, to me, it's a security issue....because anything else doesn't begin to address the problem.

I think it's cool that this discussion has remained civil.....that's a great thing in light of the raw emotion that the Sandyhook massacre brings up.

Maybe that's the saddest part of all, the part that worries me as a parent, that it couldn't have been stopped.

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I want to add that I grew up in an area and an era where my buddies and I would go hunting before school. We'd often move our shotguns around in the parking lot of the school when we got there....nobody cared. NOBODY! Nobody was afraid of us either. Guns were a part of our culture....they remain a part of mine.

I've never been a "from my cold dead hands" kind of person ....because that's just stupid. We hunt........I learned it from my Grandpa and my dad....I passed it to my children. Admittedly, we don't have much time for it these days as life is different for my kids, but still, I have guns, nobody cares, why would they?

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Left Brain - 2012-12-17 10:20 PM I want to add that I grew up in an area and an era where my buddies and me would go hunting before school. We'd often move our shotguns around in the parking lot of the school when we got there....nobody cared. NOBODY! Nobody was afraid of us either. Guns were a part of our culture....they remain a part of mine.

That is what is so confusing to me. Those that grew up with guns, or got into guns later, know what they are. Yet there is a part of the population that really fear the mere sight of them. I find it confusing to say the least.

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Left Brain - 2012-12-17 10:20 PM I want to add that I grew up in an area and an era where my buddies and me would go hunting before school. We'd often move our shotguns around in the parking lot of the school when we got there....nobody cared. NOBODY! Nobody was afraid of us either. Guns were a part of our culture....they remain a part of mine.

That is what is so confusing to me. Those that grew up with guns, or got into guns later, know what they are. Yet there is a part of the population that really fear the mere sight of them. I find it confusing to say the least.

I'm one of those that just has no concept at all - I see the police carrying them here and at airports. That's it. If someone pulled a gun other than these guys where i was, I'm not sure how I'd react - it's like it's not real to me.

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Left Brain - 2012-12-17 10:20 PM I want to add that I grew up in an area and an era where my buddies and me would go hunting before school. We'd often move our shotguns around in the parking lot of the school when we got there....nobody cared. NOBODY! Nobody was afraid of us either. Guns were a part of our culture....they remain a part of mine.

That is what is so confusing to me. Those that grew up with guns, or got into guns later, know what they are. Yet there is a part of the population that really fear the mere sight of them. I find it confusing to say the least.

Eh......I'm learning. It's an eye opener for me because I've never had to have the discussion. I've been surrounded my whole life by people who couldn't care less about guns...they're just a part of life. I'm a 3rd generation Marine, a 4th generation police officer, maybe a 50th generation hunter....who knows?

If all you know of guns is that they kill people....yeah, I can see wanting them gone.....I get it.

I didn't grow up with the idea that they were used to kill people.....as I have said, they were a part of our culture. We hunted.

I never even considered them a "right", or protected by 2A, as I grew up. It was NEVER a part of any discussion I can remember.

But no....I will NOT give them up, ever. If nothing else they are my connection to my childhood, my Grandpa, and my heritage. I will try to understand your hatred for them.....but you have to try to understand my love of them. My son hunted with the shotgun my Grandma gave my Grandpa on their 50th wedding anniversary....beat that!

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Left Brain - 2012-12-17 10:20 PM I want to add that I grew up in an area and an era where my buddies and me would go hunting before school. We'd often move our shotguns around in the parking lot of the school when we got there....nobody cared. NOBODY! Nobody was afraid of us either. Guns were a part of our culture....they remain a part of mine.

That is what is so confusing to me. Those that grew up with guns, or got into guns later, know what they are. Yet there is a part of the population that really fear the mere sight of them. I find it confusing to say the least.

Eh......I'm learning. It's an eye opener for me because I've never had to have the discussion. I've been surrounded my whole life by people who couldn't care less about guns...they're just a part of life. I'm a 3rd generation Marine, a 4th generation police officer, maybe a 50th generation hunter....who knows?

If all you know of guns is that they kill people....yeah, I can see wanting them gone.....I get it.

I didn't grow up with the idea that they were used to kill people.....as I have said, they were a part of our culture. We hunted.

I never even considered them a "right", or protected by 2A, as I grew up. It was NEVER a part of any discussion I can remember.

But no....I will NOT give them up, ever. If nothing else they are my connection to my childhood, my Grandpa, and my heritage. I will try to understand your hatred for them.....but you have to try to understand my love of them. My son hunted with the shotgun my Grandma gave my Grandpa on their 50th wedding anniversary....beat that!

I can see how the guns are an attachment to your past and your family's past. What I can't see is how they are an emotional attachment or the feelings they invoke- power ? control ? security ? Personally my Dad left me a watch he was rewarded as medical doctor from a hospital where he was on staff in honor of 25 years of service to that hospital. I wear it every day. And every day I look at it and think of him and am reminded that time is a gift. Not sure if that beats yours but to each their own.

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Left Brain - 2012-12-17 10:20 PM I want to add that I grew up in an area and an era where my buddies and me would go hunting before school. We'd often move our shotguns around in the parking lot of the school when we got there....nobody cared. NOBODY! Nobody was afraid of us either. Guns were a part of our culture....they remain a part of mine.

That is what is so confusing to me. Those that grew up with guns, or got into guns later, know what they are. Yet there is a part of the population that really fear the mere sight of them. I find it confusing to say the least.

Eh......I'm learning. It's an eye opener for me because I've never had to have the discussion. I've been surrounded my whole life by people who couldn't care less about guns...they're just a part of life. I'm a 3rd generation Marine, a 4th generation police officer, maybe a 50th generation hunter....who knows?

If all you know of guns is that they kill people....yeah, I can see wanting them gone.....I get it.

I didn't grow up with the idea that they were used to kill people.....as I have said, they were a part of our culture. We hunted.

I never even considered them a "right", or protected by 2A, as I grew up. It was NEVER a part of any discussion I can remember.

But no....I will NOT give them up, ever. If nothing else they are my connection to my childhood, my Grandpa, and my heritage. I will try to understand your hatred for them.....but you have to try to understand my love of them. My son hunted with the shotgun my Grandma gave my Grandpa on their 50th wedding anniversary....beat that!

I can see how the guns are an attachment to your past and your family's past. What I can't see is how they are an emotional attachment or the feelings they invoke- power ? control ? security ? Personally my Dad left me a watch he was rewarded as medical doctor from a hospital where he was on staff in honor of 25 years of service to that hospital. I wear it every day. And every day I look at it and think of him and am reminded that time is a gift. Not sure if that beats yours but to each their own.

No.....love.

Love of the outdoors.

Love enough to bring me along when he went hunting.

Love enough to tell me the story of how he made a fort out of his dead friends on the beach at Tarawa so that he could survive and fight on.

That gun of his is all I have of him.....that's it. To see my son hunt with the same gun that I watched my Grandma present him on their anniversary....people my son never met, and to be able to tell him the story of that gun......priceless to me.

No, in my mind, your watch does not beat my gun.

I understand the significance of your watch. I don't understand why you can't see the significance of that gun.

My Grandpa fought for his life, and his country, to be able to pass that gun down to me. Nobody will ever take it from me. I promise that. It will go to my son, and then his son, and on and on.

Pass all the laws you want.....you can't have it. Sorry. I wouldn't dream of taking your watch....and if you are thinking of taking that gun from me.....no.

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My Dad fought as well- in 2 wars. WWII and Korea, not to pass me a souvenire, but to hopefully pass me a world to be able to carry on in. As a medical doctor he saw first hand the horrors of war and the destruction it can cause both human and material. The irony here is that your gift is the one that can take mine away. I didn't say one beats the other. But maybe the whole mine is better than yours is part of the I win, mine's bigger than yours, I'm in control here mentality associated with many gun onwners....

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gr33n - 2012-12-18 1:29 AM My Dad fought as well- in 2 wars. WWII and Korea. As a medical doctor he saw first hand the horrors of war and the destruction it can cause both human and material. The irony here is that your gift is the one that can take mine away. I didn't say one beats the other. But maybe the whole mine is better than yours is part of the I win, mine's bigger than yours, I'm in control here mentality associated with many gun onwners....

That's bullcrap....I never feel that way.

All I am saying is that my heritage is as important as yours.

I won't give mine up any more than you will give yours up.....I won't apologize because my heritage contains guns.

I won't shoot anyone with my guns unless they try to hurt my family.

Honestly, do you fear me having guns? If you do, we can't have any more discussion about it....and I'm OK with that. I'll keep my guns and you can be afraid of me. I can't help you.

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gr33n - 2012-12-18 1:29 AM My Dad fought as well- in 2 wars. WWII and Korea. As a medical doctor he saw first hand the horrors of war and the destruction it can cause both human and material. The irony here is that your gift is the one that can take mine away. I didn't say one beats the other. But maybe the whole mine is better than yours is part of the I win, mine's bigger than yours, I'm in control here mentality associated with many gun onwners....

That's bullcrap....I never feel that way.

All I am saying is that my heritage is as important as yours.

I won't give mine up any more than you will give yours up.....I won't apologize because my heritage contains guns.

I won't shoot anyone with my guns unless they try to hurt my family.

Honestly, do you fear me having guns? If you do, we can't have any more discussion about it....and I'm OK with that. I'll keep my guns and you can be afraid of me. I can't help you.

I don't know and I don't pretend to know. I'm not looking for your help, and I'm not asking or suggesting you apologize either. No I'm not afraid of guns or of you. Should I be ? All I know is if you have guns or access to guns or people around you have the same, and have mental breakdown with those guns at hand bad things can happen. If I snap, I can give you the wrong time of day.

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gr33n - 2012-12-18 1:29 AM My Dad fought as well- in 2 wars. WWII and Korea. As a medical doctor he saw first hand the horrors of war and the destruction it can cause both human and material. The irony here is that your gift is the one that can take mine away. I didn't say one beats the other. But maybe the whole mine is better than yours is part of the I win, mine's bigger than yours, I'm in control here mentality associated with many gun onwners....

That's bullcrap....I never feel that way.

All I am saying is that my heritage is as important as yours.

I won't give mine up any more than you will give yours up.....I won't apologize because my heritage contains guns.

I won't shoot anyone with my guns unless they try to hurt my family.

Honestly, do you fear me having guns? If you do, we can't have any more discussion about it....and I'm OK with that. I'll keep my guns and you can be afraid of me. I can't help you.

I don't know and I don't pretend to know. I'm not looking for your help, and I'm not asking or suggesting you apologize either. No I'm not afraid of guns or of you. Should I be ? All I know is if you have guns or access to guns or people around you have the same, and have mental breakdown with those guns at hand bad things can happen. If I snap, I can give you the wrong time of day.

I don't want your watch.....so don't snap.

Goodnight, it's late.....you know that....the watch thing.

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gr33n - 2012-12-18 1:29 AM My Dad fought as well- in 2 wars. WWII and Korea. As a medical doctor he saw first hand the horrors of war and the destruction it can cause both human and material. The irony here is that your gift is the one that can take mine away. I didn't say one beats the other. But maybe the whole mine is better than yours is part of the I win, mine's bigger than yours, I'm in control here mentality associated with many gun onwners....

That's bullcrap....I never feel that way.

All I am saying is that my heritage is as important as yours.

I won't give mine up any more than you will give yours up.....I won't apologize because my heritage contains guns.

I won't shoot anyone with my guns unless they try to hurt my family.

Honestly, do you fear me having guns? If you do, we can't have any more discussion about it....and I'm OK with that. I'll keep my guns and you can be afraid of me. I can't help you.

I don't know and I don't pretend to know. I'm not looking for your help, and I'm not asking or suggesting you apologize either. No I'm not afraid of guns or of you. Should I be ? All I know is if you have guns or access to guns or people around you have the same, and have mental breakdown with those guns at hand bad things can happen. If I snap, I can give you the wrong time of day.

My friends brother in law snapped killed her sister with his bare hands. Her mother died of a heart attack when she found her. Bad things can happen

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gr33n - 2012-12-18 1:29 AM My Dad fought as well- in 2 wars. WWII and Korea. As a medical doctor he saw first hand the horrors of war and the destruction it can cause both human and material. The irony here is that your gift is the one that can take mine away. I didn't say one beats the other. But maybe the whole mine is better than yours is part of the I win, mine's bigger than yours, I'm in control here mentality associated with many gun onwners....

That's bullcrap....I never feel that way.

All I am saying is that my heritage is as important as yours.

I won't give mine up any more than you will give yours up.....I won't apologize because my heritage contains guns.

I won't shoot anyone with my guns unless they try to hurt my family.

Honestly, do you fear me having guns? If you do, we can't have any more discussion about it....and I'm OK with that. I'll keep my guns and you can be afraid of me. I can't help you.

I don't know and I don't pretend to know. I'm not looking for your help, and I'm not asking or suggesting you apologize either. No I'm not afraid of guns or of you. Should I be ? All I know is if you have guns or access to guns or people around you have the same, and have mental breakdown with those guns at hand bad things can happen. If I snap, I can give you the wrong time of day.

My friends brother in law snapped killed her sister with his bare hands. Her mother died of a heart attack when she found her. Bad things can happen

Domestic violence and heart disease the subject of another thread maybe.

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pitt83 - 2012-12-17 8:23 PM

No. Cars have far more benefit than detriment. Guns have far more detriment than benefit.

That's a faulty argument. A locked car sitting in the parking lot is no more or less dangerous than a gun sitting in a safe. They are intimate objects that will sit there forever (or until they rust).

That car in the hands of a drunk is FAR more dangerous than that gun in my hands. That gun has incredible benefits to me if/when I am faced with a home burglary or need to defend myself.

In my hands the risk/reward ratio for either a car or a gun is MUCH different than someone else.

These things are both instruments or tools. They have no intrinsic benefit or risk built in.

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Thanks for the discussion yesterday. I'm all out. I've made my position clear and you all have as well. We differ, we listened, we thought about WHY we feel how we do: All good things.

I'm not going to spend the mental energy today as biochemistry beckons.

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Left Brain - 2012-12-17 10:00 PM