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2011-08-03 11:01 AM
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jsklarz - 2011-08-03 8:58 AM

Death march run this morning 1 mile warm up 2 miles hard, 1 mile warm down.  biking at lunch.  The gym just got these new fancy "e-spin" bikes for general usage and they have all sorts of electronic gagets and screens.  i like pressing buttons so it will keep my mind off working out.

Head to Toronto tomorrow Am for a conference - looking forward to running the city and checking out some sites.  Also, may try and swim in Lake Ontario, never swam in a great lake before.  Have to do the Chicago tri some year.

Do Tri in the Buff next year -- swim is in Lake Erie and very cool, like swimming in a big freshwater ocean.

I have kids, not happening.



2011-08-03 11:04 AM
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bryancd - 2011-08-03 11:32 AM
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I actually love my Asic Nimbus 12's.  But I was running in Nike Shox in February.  If that don't announce "newbie" I am not sure what else does.  Those things were like running with bricks attached to your feet.

Gotta love the sword fighting. 

jeff-y, why only race in Zoots?  I'm confused?

They are racing flats not trainers and high mileage would cause them to fall apart. They are made out of some canvass like material have no structure to then
Are you talking about the Ultra Speeds? They are pretty well made, they may seem like a whisp of a shoe but you should be able to get a couple hundred miles in them. I would always recomend running in different shoes in your training. I rotate between the ZOOT Kalani's, TT's, and Ultra Speed during a normal week depending on the workout. It's good for your biomechanics to have some variety.

DK what variety they are, they are red and abotu 3 years old.  I alternate between brooks adreneline, NB (something or others), vibrams, Newtons and occassionally the zoots.



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2011-08-03 1:10 PM
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kaburns1214 - 2011-08-03 11:49 AM

These are in my amazon.com cart:

Lego Lightsaber Lot- 6 TOTAL - 3 Different Colors with Hilts

Are those lego lightsabers?  Nice!!! 

2011-08-03 1:36 PM
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kaburns1214 - 2011-08-03 11:49 AM

These are in my amazon.com cart:

Lego Lightsaber Lot- 6 TOTAL - 3 Different Colors with Hilts

Are those lego lightsabers?  Nice!!! 

Yes indeed.  We just bought a friends son a lego Slave 1 complete with Han Solo in carbonite.

Speaking of things I want to buy -- I think these are the next shoes:

Saucony Women's ProGrid Kinvara 2

2011-08-03 3:15 PM
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Almost went with the Kinvaras too.

 

BTW excellent blog post Kelly.

2011-08-03 3:25 PM
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uhcoog - 2011-08-03 4:15 PM

Almost went with the Kinvaras too.

 

BTW excellent blog post Kelly.

Thank you.  I didn't want to come off an whiny but felt the need to address the race weight issue.



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uhcoog - 2011-08-03 2:15 PM

BTW excellent blog post Kelly.

 

x2! I really need to buckle down. I've plateaued with my weight the past few weeks and have gotten lazy with my eating

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My bike rack arrived for my new car! WOOHOO! Now I can give back the loaner to my buddy and transport my bike in style. 

Got a Yakima Holdup 2 (hitch mount). Seems really nice and sturdy.

2011-08-03 3:37 PM
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kaburns1214 - 2011-08-03 3:25 PM
uhcoog - 2011-08-03 4:15 PM

Almost went with the Kinvaras too.

 

BTW excellent blog post Kelly.

Thank you.  I didn't want to come off an whiny but felt the need to address the race weight issue.

I find that those who subscribe to cals in/cals out have more efficient metabolisms than I do.  I also know that I have to use every trick in the book from fasted cardio to manipulating macro nutrients to make my body shed weight.

2011-08-03 4:28 PM
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kaburns1214 - 2011-08-03 2:25 PM

uhcoog - 2011-08-03 4:15 PM

Almost went with the Kinvaras too.

 

BTW excellent blog post Kelly.

Thank you.  I didn't want to come off an whiny but felt the need to address the race weight issue.



Good blog post. Two things:
1. You were a little harsh to that guy if that's really what you said. We should never let our own insecurities result in knee jerk reactions. I doubt very much he was looking at you as a fat girl, that comes from you.

2. I agree with some of what you wrote, some I don't as much, but I think it's overall sound and I agree, you need to be a lot more lean to compete for the top of the AG. Looking at your menu:
6:00 a.m. - 2 eggs & one cup of pineapple
7:00 a.m. - Lift weights & 1600 yard swim
8:30 a.m. - 1 scoop of Endurox
10 a.m. - 1 cup of cottage cheese & black cherries
1 p.m. - Big salad with mixed greens, cucumber, tomato, avocado & chicken, nectarine
4 p.m. - Homemade chicken soup with carrots & asparagus
6 p.m. - Power yoga class
7:30 p.m. - Tri-o-plex Bar (high protein food bar)
9 p.m. - Whey protein

You need to get ride of your "recovery" snacks, especially those protein bars and replace it with real food. I know it's a PITA sometimes, but it is a much better choice.
2011-08-03 4:38 PM
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I actually agree.  No real food after 4 PM isn't ideal.


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uhcoog - 2011-08-03 3:38 PM

I actually agree. 


You sound surprised.
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Funny, I since switched things around and am eating my soup and asparagus later and switched the bar for almonds at 5 p.m.  All the numbers pretty much stay te same, just more "real" food.

My biggest limiter right now is my body composition.  If I want a big PR at IMFL, I need to get my body comp in line.  Its just easy to eat things I shouldn't (that's why there are no more chocolate chips in the house).

2011-08-03 4:45 PM
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Also you have no idea how hard no pancakes before long rides will be for me!
2011-08-03 4:48 PM
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bryancd - 2011-08-03 4:40 PM
uhcoog - 2011-08-03 3:38 PM I actually agree. 
You sound surprised.

LOL.  I don't tend to agree on supplementation with a lot of people on this board.  I think a lot has to do with my previous experience in the weight lifting arena.

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kaburns1214 - 2011-08-03 4:44 PM

Funny, I since switched things around and am eating my soup and asparagus later and switched the bar for almonds at 5 p.m.  All the numbers pretty much stay te same, just more "real" food.

My biggest limiter right now is my body composition.  If I want a big PR at IMFL, I need to get my body comp in line.  Its just easy to eat things I shouldn't (that's why there are no more chocolate chips in the house).

 

If you don't mind I'm just going to play around with your diet.  I have 2 hours of So You Think You Can Dance tonight with the wife.  Oh and removing temptation foods from the house is GOOD.  When I'm going right on dieting we shop a week at a time.  Make a menu for the week, buy only what is on the menu, and deviate very little.  This way we have to think twice about actually making poor dietary choices.



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kaburns1214 - 2011-08-03 3:45 PM

Also you have no idea how hard no pancakes before long rides will be for me!


As you are a fan of the glycemic side of the weight debate, and I agree as well on that, start skipping breakfast prior to shorter training efforts and even a long bike. Go ride two hours on an empty stomach and nothing but water. That will fire up your metabolism like nobody's business. I can assure you, you don't need as many calories as you think to train even at the volume you do. I have totally elimated breakfast and have suffered zero downside in regards to completing my training and I lost 5lbs in a matter of two weeks. Trust me, try it.
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bryancd - 2011-08-03 6:04 PM
kaburns1214 - 2011-08-03 3:45 PM Also you have no idea how hard no pancakes before long rides will be for me!
As you are a fan of the glycemic side of the weight debate, and I agree as well on that, start skipping breakfast prior to shorter training efforts and even a long bike. Go ride two hours on an empty stomach and nothing but water. That will fire up your metabolism like nobody's business. I can assure you, you don't need as many calories as you think to train even at the volume you do. I have totally elimated breakfast and have suffered zero downside in regards to completing my training and I lost 5lbs in a matter of two weeks. Trust me, try it.

I agree I don't seem to have neg side effects skipping breakfast as long as I have a coffee or two. However I am I night eater for some reason I just seem to eat junk all night long. It is a habit that seems to tough to break.

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bryancd - 2011-08-03 6:04 PM
kaburns1214 - 2011-08-03 3:45 PMAlso you have no idea how hard no pancakes before long rides will be for me!
As you are a fan of the glycemic side of the weight debate, and I agree as well on that, start skipping breakfast prior to shorter training efforts and even a long bike. Go ride two hours on an empty stomach and nothing but water. That will fire up your metabolism like nobody's business. I can assure you, you don't need as many calories as you think to train even at the volume you do. I have totally elimated breakfast and have suffered zero downside in regards to completing my training and I lost 5lbs in a matter of two weeks. Trust me, try it.
I've been telling people this for years. But you have more street cred! I rarely eat before long efforts. Loosing weight is not rocket science, but it sucks: eating less and being hungry all the time sucks. Eat most veg. Stay away from starch, no dessert. Very little booze. No frankenfood except gu or sports drink while training. If you are hungry all the time you are doing it correctly.

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kaburns1214 - 2011-08-03 5:44 PM

Funny, I since switched things around and am eating my soup and asparagus later and switched the bar for almonds at 5 p.m.  All the numbers pretty much stay te same, just more "real" food.

My biggest limiter right now is my body composition.  If I want a big PR at IMFL, I need to get my body comp in line.  Its just easy to eat things I shouldn't (that's why there are no more chocolate chips in the house).

I think that if you are doing the right type of lifting routine ( not the typical tri workouts)your body comp will change very quickly.  Your body burns more cals lifting than you think.  A 30 minute workout burns about 400-500 cals vs same time jogging burns 230-250. If you create a arobic workout your body will be burning even more cals all day long. The amont of work you put in and the diet you eat you will shreded.

 

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kaburns1214 - 2011-08-03 5:44 PM

Funny, I since switched things around and am eating my soup and asparagus later and switched the bar for almonds at 5 p.m.  All the numbers pretty much stay te same, just more "real" food.

My biggest limiter right now is my body composition.  If I want a big PR at IMFL, I need to get my body comp in line.  Its just easy to eat things I shouldn't (that's why there are no more chocolate chips in the house).

I think that if you are doing the right type of lifting routine ( not the typical tri workouts)your body comp will change very quickly.  Your body burns more cals lifting than you think.  A 30 minute workout burns about 400-500 cals vs same time jogging burns 230-250. If you create a arobic workout your body will be burning even more cals all day long. The amont of work you put in and the diet you eat you will shreded.

 

What would be a good strength training workout?  And how many days a week is beneficial?  I'm all for boosting my metabolism and dropping about 10 pounds before Wisconsin.  Maybe this will help.  My problem is I get to the gym and don't really know what to do.  I need something specific to follow.



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pbrown70 - 2011-08-03 7:44 PM
A 30 minute workout burns about 400-500 cals vs same time jogging burns 230-250.


WHAT?! That's just plain wrong.
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other than me getting "chicked" in the pool all the time, last night in the pool was a first for this one.  I got schooled by kids!!There are never any kids in adult lap swim, except last night.  9 year old girl and her 11 year old brother.  You wouldn't believe how fast, efficient etc they were.  Flip turns.  they never stopped.  They were doing drills and barely ever took a break.  Frreestyle, backstroke, butterfly, kick board.  They were already in the pool when i got there, and still in the pool when I left 40 mins later.

I couldn't believe what I was seeing at their ages.

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I think losing weight when you're a woman is very different from losing weight when you're a man.  I think hormones play a big role in all of it. 

Thank you for sharing, Kelly.  I think you can get your weight down to where you want it to be before IMFL.  You may just have to mix things up a bit, because your body has probably gotten very efficient at what it's doing.  Perhaps try what some of the others here have suggested - do some early morning workouts on an empty stomach, replace some of the bars and drinks with water, fruit, and nuts, etc. 

I'm on the other side of the spectrum, as I naturally restrict too much, so I feel I have a lot to learn about sports nutrition.  That's the only thing holding me back from long course racing!

Hang in there, friend!

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Wow, last night was rough and then I passed out on the sofa around 9.  LOL.  All of a sudden diapers don't feel right to Abby so she's having a hard time going to sleep in an overnight diaper.

So I got to thinking about body recomposition, training fasted, etc.  Think I'm going to pull together some info, personal experiences, and observations of friends' journeys for an upcoming blog post.  Short version is that fasted cardio has been used for years by aspiring body builders to go from strong and pudgy to strong and sleek.  Basically fasted cardio upon waking and lifting in the evening.  IF you are eating correctly you should have full glycogen stores upon waking and be able to hammer out a few hours at a moderately high intensity level.  This really should train your body to be more efficient with calories and will give you the advantage of training low and racing high if you eat a good pre race meal.  The are a few drawbacks.  One is that you will be hungry your first few weeks getting used to the new setup.  Two is that you may feel sluggish during the adjustment period as well.  Lastly is that there are nutritionists and trainers who believe you're catabolic upon waking.  In additon to oxidizing fat at a faster rate, you also may burn off muscle as well.  For a lot of triathletes this isn't a major issue.

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