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2009-05-26 11:33 AM
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Gu, Cliff Blocks, and Clif Bars will give you the energy to stay in the saddle.  But you must drink plenty of fluids too.  good luck.  and don't forget the body glide Wink


2009-05-26 2:43 PM
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The main reason not to try new things on race day is to avoid GI problems.  But, if you're consuming things that you know you'll tolerate  while working out at a high intensity or in heat, then you should be fine.  

Good idea to play around with what you like-so if Sharkies work then go for it!  From what I've seen, products that use a mix of sugars are best (-ose things listed in the ingredients).

I would say, use the bike to give you energy for the run.  Your breakfast should be big enough to fuel you through your swim and a good chunk of your bike.  

Robb - 2009-05-23 1:19 AM

I'm still playing around with fueling.  I found a new product called Sharkies, kind of like cliff shots.  I HATE power gels, the taste just gets me.  I also like to put a bit of gatorade mix in my water, but I usually prefer just straight H20

 

I know they say "dont try anything new on race day", but if its your first long race, something has to be new.  I mean I can't have an 8hr training session to test what to eat at hr 6 you know?  I think the plan is to eat on the bike, and only drink on the run, just not sure how much/when to eat on the bike.  Im a big and hungry boy!

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Icing and over-the-counter meds aren't helping??? =(   I used a frozen dixie cup of water to massage sore muscles.  Just rip the top of the cup as the ice melts and voila!

momandmd - 2009-05-23 3:37 PM

I'll try the challenge, but I'm frustrated!  My right calf is still tender and visibly swollen after cramping on Tuesday- I can't believe that just a cramp would cause that much damage- has anyone had a similar experience?  I'm finally at the point where just walking isn't uncomfortable.  I think I'll try to bike gently tomorrow, but I'm nervous about running on it while it still hurts.  But at this rate I'll be off it for another week!

Note to self- do NOT push too hard (literally or figuratively) while swimming!!!

2009-05-26 2:59 PM
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I have "Sports Nutrition for Endurance Athletes" by Monique Ryan. I think it's a great (fantastic!) resource for athletes since it's written at a level that is very understandable (and still on par with good nutrition recommendations).  

Basically, the 48 hours before a race is SUPER critical time (but, we all keep track of our nutrition every other day, right?). =)  I haven't cramped up during races, but that's because the week before a race I start with the water.  I go through waves of being on target with my water intake, but sometimes not so much.  SO, on Monday I make sure to have a glass of water when I wake up, with each snack or meal and before bed.  Ryan specifically says "Increase salt intake 48 hours prior to the race if you are a salty sweater and if the race is likely to take place in hot and humid conditions).  I'm not a salty sweater, but I know I can lose 2 lbs in an hour if it's a little warm outside.  SO, the night before a race I whack two Gatorades  and another one (sprint race) or two (Oly) in the morning.  The two drinks before bed doesn't really work if you have a bladder that wakes you up in the middle of the night, though!

In regards to nutrition, i've been thinking about my Olympic at the end of July.  I already sweat like crazy and i've always been prone to cramping even when i use my sports drink etc..  I'm thinking about incorporating some thermolytes into my training to see if that helps.  Do you have any recommendations for people who sweat like crazy and doing a race that is probably going to be in the 90's and humid?

I've also been debating what i'm going to do for my race this weekend..  The water temp is in the mid 50's and I'm debating on wearing my tri top under my wetsuit or put it on after the swim.  I'm afraid that i will be freezing on the bike if i have a soaked tri-top.  anyone have recommendations? 
2009-05-26 3:02 PM
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REALLY can't wait to hear how this went!

Robb - 2009-05-25 8:50 PM

I have a 95km ride planned for tomorrow.  I have a couple like this before, but I am going to try to do this without stopping (usually I stop for a lunch on anything over 50k).

 

Anyone have any last tips for staying on the bike for 4 hours?  Going all out on this ride, as a test to see how I am for the HIM in 4 months.  Going to bring 2 bottles (no back pack), and try to refill halfway at a store.  Planning on maybe 200 cal per hour?

2009-05-26 3:05 PM
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Good advice!!! I usually use corn starch, but it only lasted me about 50 miles this weekend, then...not good news!

 and don't forget the body glide Wink


2009-05-26 8:17 PM
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Ride went well.  I got to break in a brand new Trek 1.2, which is their low end bike, but its very fast and light for an aluminum frame.  There was more than a few times I managed over 50km/h on the downhills, and even once hit 70km/h in a 60 zone!  Its amazing how much easier it is than a MTB :P 

It was a bit windy and some of the roads were rougher than I had hoped, so I didn't quite get the avg. speed I was looking for, but thats ok.  I figure with 4 more months of saddle time and some better conditions, I should be able to squeeze out a couple more km/h.

 

Fuel went well.  I had 3 packs of sharkies (like cliff shots.  140cal each), one scoop of g'ade (120cal), and a bottle of G2, so maybe 150cal/hr at a moderate effort.  Had a run been up next I think I probably would have crammed in a few hunder more cal though.  Feel good though, neck hurts a bit, as well as the wrists, but I feel like I could run if I had to.

2009-05-27 12:10 AM
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wow robb, nice ride.  glad to hear this one wasnt on the mtb!  
2009-05-27 9:44 AM
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nice ride robb.  a massage would put the neck and wrists back where they belong.  go treat yourself for a job well done.
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Nice job Robb!

Thanks for sharing how your nutrition went, still messing around with mine. 
2009-05-27 6:14 PM
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Robb, a tri-guy that I know 'critiqued' my nutrition from this past weekend.  I guess once you go over a 2 hour ride, it's a good goal to shoot for 400 cal/hour. Plus, water, water, water (if you weren't using the sharkies, I'd say Gatorade because h2o absorption is helped with some simple sugars).  I learned this weekend that the GI tract doesn't favor low hydration plus lots of sugar following a big meal RIGHT before the ride!



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WittyCityGirl - 2009-05-26 3:59 PM I have "Sports Nutrition for Endurance Athletes" by Monique Ryan. I think it's a great (fantastic!) resource for athletes since it's written at a level that is very understandable (and still on par with good nutrition recommendations).  

Basically, the 48 hours before a race is SUPER critical time (but, we all keep track of our nutrition every other day, right?). =)  I haven't cramped up during races, but that's because the week before a race I start with the water.  I go through waves of being on target with my water intake, but sometimes not so much.  SO, on Monday I make sure to have a glass of water when I wake up, with each snack or meal and before bed.  Ryan specifically says "Increase salt intake 48 hours prior to the race if you are a salty sweater and if the race is likely to take place in hot and humid conditions).  I'm not a salty sweater, but I know I can lose 2 lbs in an hour if it's a little warm outside.  SO, the night before a race I whack two Gatorades  and another one (sprint race) or two (Oly) in the morning.  The two drinks before bed doesn't really work if you have a bladder that wakes you up in the middle of the night, though!

In regards to nutrition, i've been thinking about my Olympic at the end of July.  I already sweat like crazy and i've always been prone to cramping even when i use my sports drink etc..  I'm thinking about incorporating some thermolytes into my training to see if that helps.  Do you have any recommendations for people who sweat like crazy and doing a race that is probably going to be in the 90's and humid?

I've also been debating what i'm going to do for my race this weekend..  The water temp is in the mid 50's and I'm debating on wearing my tri top under my wetsuit or put it on after the swim.  I'm afraid that i will be freezing on the bike if i have a soaked tri-top.  anyone have recommendations? 


 Wow that's a lot of water/liquids!  I'll give it a try.  The extra liquid will probably help me in my race this weekend, hopefully i'll create some warmth in my suit..  Hope that didn't gross anyone out..  Thanks!
2009-05-27 6:23 PM
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wow 400cal/hr?  How do you even carry that on like a 4hr ride?  Is there something much higher in calories that I can get?  I have heard of gummy bears, as well as PB&J sandwiches. mmmm.  Also, I get 'some' cals in the drink, but I usually need to water it down.  Straight sports drinks are way to sugary for me, so I would prefer to get most of the energy from solid/gel foods.

 

I do agree that I would need more than my 150/hr for sure, as after the ride I felt very hungry, and probably would have completely bonked in less than an hour into the run.  Thankfully my ride ended at a Subway

2009-05-27 6:26 PM
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Hey folks!  I'm going through your training logs/blogs tonight.  I noticed Anthony (BigRed) hasn't been around.  Mind sending some inspires his way??  Thanks!
2009-05-27 6:29 PM
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I don't get grossed out too easily. I once swam with a guy in college who used to say "Stay a few strokes behind me!" for a very specific reason!

The extra liquid is a blessing and a curse.  Physically and mentally, hydration is key.  BUT, the pressure on your bladder is not.  I find that if I have to "go" that if I just ride it out the feeling goes away (without leakage!). 



 Wow that's a lot of water/liquids!  I'll give it a try.  The extra liquid will probably help me in my race this weekend, hopefully i'll create some warmth in my suit..  Hope that didn't gross anyone out..  Thanks!
2009-05-27 6:42 PM
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I asked that question to Rstocks, so I'll report on what he said (he said he eats a sleeve of fig newtons with a bunch of other stuff so I wonder how that's possible).

I *think* Powerbars have over 200 kcal in them, but I don't know how feasible it is to carry and consume 2/hour over a couple of hours particularly during a race. And, particularly during a HOT race. Hmm...

Robb - 2009-05-27 7:23 PM

wow 400cal/hr?  How do you even carry that on like a 4hr ride?  Is there something much higher in calories that I can get?  I have heard of gummy bears, as well as PB&J sandwiches. mmmm.  Also, I get 'some' cals in the drink, but I usually need to water it down.  Straight sports drinks are way to sugary for me, so I would prefer to get most of the energy from solid/gel foods.

 

I do agree that I would need more than my 150/hr for sure, as after the ride I felt very hungry, and probably would have completely bonked in less than an hour into the run.  Thankfully my ride ended at a Subway



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For the ladies,

I might have suggested TerryBicycles.com for clothing-I love the jersey I bought.  I also found www.Athleta.com and it seems to have nice stuff as well!
2009-05-27 11:19 PM
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Well it wasn't even hot, but since the sharkies were in my back pocket of my shirt, they were very soft.  I imagine on a 80F+ day they would be liquid lol

 

Most bars have 200ish cal.  I think the protien you get in them would also cure some hunger that gels and g'ade don't fill.  Gels might be a little easier than something like cliff shots or sharkies.  If you took in 2 gels per hour, plus say 1/2 a bottle of g'ade, that is 250 cal/hr right there.  Then just add a pack of cliff shots and you are closer to 400cal/hr, and on a 4hr ride you only have to carry 4 packs of gummies, 8 gels, and 2 bottles.

 

Not to mention on most olympic or longer tri's they will have aid stations with all of this (plus great stuff like pretzels and coke!)

 

anyway, just thinking out loud here.

2009-05-28 9:38 AM
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Thanks for the websites Sara.  I will have to check them out. 

WittyCityGirl - 2009-05-27 9:25 PM For the ladies,

I might have suggested TerryBicycles.com for clothing-I love the jersey I bought.  I also found www.Athleta.com and it seems to have nice stuff as well!
2009-05-28 9:42 AM
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Unfortunately I don't have much knowledge to offer regarding nutrition since I've only done sprints.  I can say for the marathon I had a combination of shot blocks, water and gatorade.  

And I know my fiance has used fig newtons before on his long training rides.  Those things pack a lot of calories. 

Robb - 2009-05-27 11:19 PM

Well it wasn't even hot, but since the sharkies were in my back pocket of my shirt, they were very soft.  I imagine on a 80F+ day they would be liquid lol

 

Most bars have 200ish cal.  I think the protien you get in them would also cure some hunger that gels and g'ade don't fill.  Gels might be a little easier than something like cliff shots or sharkies.  If you took in 2 gels per hour, plus say 1/2 a bottle of g'ade, that is 250 cal/hr right there.  Then just add a pack of cliff shots and you are closer to 400cal/hr, and on a 4hr ride you only have to carry 4 packs of gummies, 8 gels, and 2 bottles.

 

Not to mention on most olympic or longer tri's they will have aid stations with all of this (plus great stuff like pretzels and coke!)

 

anyway, just thinking out loud here.

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raisins - easy to jam into your mouth even on the hottest day - and, portable.

clif bars - not really sweet like luna bars and not really tough on the teeth like powerbars

bananas - your body will thank you for the potassium boost.

last but not least, my personal faves; gu, cliffblocks, and cytomax. 

long distance cycling is the one sport of the three that i can say i am a natural at and the above nutrition has always been a part of every training ride but everyone responds differently so try adding one new item each ride and see how you perform.  good luck Smile


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Hello everyone.  I have been able to get outside  a lot more with the warmer weather finally reaching us :-)

They opened the pool at my apartment, so I have done some quick swims in the pool on my lunch break.  They said the water was in the lower 60s, so that should get me use to the cold OWSs.  Not as bad swimming in the cold as I thought it would be.
 



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2009-05-30 3:07 PM
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I prefer the water be on the cooler side when swimming laps.  Some of the indoor pools I have been in keep the water way to warm.

2009-05-30 4:58 PM
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During my Olys last year, we didn't get grub, but gosh darn it, if there are pretzels in my future for my half IM then I am STOKED! =)

Robb - 2009-05-28 12:19 AM

Not to mention on most olympic or longer tri's they will have aid stations with all of this (plus great stuff like pretzels and coke!)

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Last day for the May challenge!  I am about to head out for a 25km bike ride so that I can beat my April total.

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