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2011-05-16 7:19 AM
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In my own opinion having pedals greatly increases bike efficiency. Now that being said it's totally up to you. Yes pedals can be expensive but I believe it's a great investment no matter what the distance.


2011-05-16 7:38 AM
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Hey there, I'm not to familar on how BT calculates HR Zones, but you do realize there are two hr zones one for Biking and Running. Biking in that zone for a long time seems to be high. Most of my bike rides, my intensity has me going no higher than 153. Unless they are intervals then it's whatever I can do to maintain the pace/cadence throughout.  However, not getting into a HR Zone is usually indicative that you might be over training and your body and it's peripherals need some rest.  How do you feel? I know, when I have the intervals, they hurt and it's not fun. Anyway hope that helps


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2011-05-16 8:00 AM
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shellback1998 - 2011-05-16 8:38 AM

but you do realize there are two hr zones one for Biking and Running. Biking in that zone for a long time seems to be high. Most of my bike rides, my intensity has me going no higher than 153.
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OOHHH! Well, no I didn't understand that. Now i know that table i posted is for my running, after a quick calculation, i realize that I've lived in high end Z2 on the bike; Z2 with 2-3 minute bursts (intervals?) in Z3/4 on my 'power' rides....and yeah they hurt!  I'm weak on the bike though - but its coming along :]. 

THANKS SCOTT and I hope your legs feel better from the 'tabitas' (don't even know what that is :]) you did yesterday! 

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2011-05-16 8:06 AM
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Legs feel fine. Thanks for asking! Tabita's are warm up for 20 or so mins at a recovery HR, then you go ALL out 85-95 RPM's, Very High Wattage. for 20 " then soft pedal for 10", You do this 8 times, then back to your recovery HR until 30 mins are up.  

Remember Pain is the weakness leaving the body. Or as the Navy Seals say, "the Only easy day was yesterday, so seize the day"

 

 Great work! Keep it up.

 

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2011-05-16 9:04 AM
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I like that Navy Seal quote! I guess I've inadvertantly been doing something like a tamer version of "tabitas" then...my 'long' course that I like to ride is all hilly, but has has one section in particular like a washboard - constantly up down up down, and I have to do it both ways, about half way thru my ride (abt 60 mins).  Maybe not "ALL" out on the ups, but just enough for me to get high end as I get to the peaks, and they wipe me out! I dread that section.  

I am getting better at shifting, so that helps flatten them out a little when I want to, but I'll remember your quote next time I'm on it: "pain is weakness leaving the body" :}

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2011-05-16 10:09 AM
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Did spin for 75 this morning. Zone two intervals. Looks like there may be more of that this week with the forecast being pure ugly.


2011-05-16 10:12 AM
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Not raining right now. I just finished an 8 mile run descending my pace to 7:16... Perfect time to run! But, at least you got some biking in. I'll be doing that this evening, I already swam 1900 yards this morning. So, time or my body to recover for my bike this evening Good job!Scott
2011-05-16 10:26 AM
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shellback1998 - 2011-05-16 8:38 AM

Most of my bike rides, my intensity has me going no higher than 153.

A sustained 153 or you rarely ever peak over 153 even on the biggest hills? There are some monster hills around my house and there's no way I can stay under that while climbing them. When on flats or small hills I am generally able to estimate my effort without peaking at the Garmin and I stay in zone 2 easily but on hills when you're out of gears it is what it is.

2011-05-16 11:03 AM
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Wow, everyone seems like they are so on target with their training and I really feel that I am still in the building phase.  Scott - yesterday I worked hard to keep my hr below 160 and was able to run 5.56 miles (in the sunshine) which is farther than I've went in an eternity.  And it felt good.  Then last night did my 1200 meter swim after doing some TI drills and felt good with the breathing.  It felt more natural just turning my head as I finished my stoke with my right arm, naturally slight roll of the shoulder and breath.  I did the 50 yards without being tired/feeling like I had to stop to breath.  Maybe I'm getting it!  Anyway, off for a short bike this morning then decided to add a swim after work tonight.  Don't want to loose the feeling.

Envy you guys that can actually do some workouts but I really feel that I need to build the base and be able to comfortably go beyond my sprint distances before race day....only 6 weeks away.  Eeeek.

Scott - Let me know if you think this is good goals for me right now.  Bike - feel really confident about it.  After the 30 miler in the rain and wind on Sat I don't have concerns even though the pace was slow.  Work on more hilly courses.  Feel comfortable with the pedals (no more crashes).  Run - finally got over the 3.5 miles per day even though again at a much slower pace.  Plan to do one brick on Wednesday (my day off from work) with the 14 mile bike and 3.5 mile run to test my sprint race which is 12 mile bike/3.6 mile run.  Then my next run day is the 5K race on Sat. which I want to do well at but plan to train through. Swim -hopefully it's starting to come together.  Will continue with the TI and can already tell my comfort level is much better. Adding one swim workout tonight so will be doing 4 this week and timing myself with a legit watch at poolside this time for 18 laps.

Thanks everyone for the information and support. 

Linda

2011-05-16 11:03 AM
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Yup, on huge hills, my HR climbs into the next zone, but same with running you're allowed to go to the next zone as long as your AVG HR for the ride does not go into the next zone. As soon as I start my descends my HR drops rapidlyScott
2011-05-16 11:08 AM
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Sounds like you're coming along nicely. One thing don't compare your training to any of ours. At any given point we are further a long in our plans. I, have my first sprint of the year coming up on June 4th, so I'm almost going to peak, then after that race, I go back to building up to my "A" race July 10th my HIM, so I go through the process all over again. You're doing amazing and I'm glad your feeling more comfortable in the water. You're going to kill the race. You're bike volume, is awesome. No sprints get up to 30 mils! You should be proud of that accomplishment. Anyway, keep up the good work.Scott


2011-05-16 11:13 AM
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shellback1998 - 2011-05-16 12:03 PM Yup, on huge hills, my HR climbs into the next zone, but same with running you're allowed to go to the next zone as long as your AVG HR for the ride does not go into the next zone. As soon as I start my descends my HR drops rapidlyScott

Right same here. If you were staying below 153 even on the peak hills I was going to be really impressed and suggest you train the Kancamagus Highway this weekend! Nothing like an average grade of 9% for 5 miles at a time.

 

 

2011-05-16 11:21 AM
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scout142 - 2011-05-16 5:13 AM

here is what BT calculated for me as HR using 171 as my LT....

Hi David, how did you figure out your LT of 171?

~Roland

2011-05-16 11:21 AM
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Oh hell no. I am no stick, I have mass. Hills and Scott don't like each other. Downhills, are great though. That's when I get to pass all your skinny people!  


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2011-05-16 11:25 AM
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Quick and easy way to find your AT,

 

Jesse Kropelnicki, Founder of QT2 systems, explains  how to find your threshold

 

Easy Threshold Heart Rate Determination

 

December 16th, 2010

Over the years, I’ve seen many, many tests to determine heart rate associated with anaerobic threshold (TH); anything from blood lactate tests, to metabolic testing, or as simple as 220 minus your age with some other factors. Below presents what I like to use as the easiest most efficient way to determine TH heart rate for those athletes that may not want to have more complex testing carried out. What this procedure does is cross check your zones with a few methods to give you a fairly confident value that you can then base your heart rate zones on for training. I think some folks get a bit careless determining this value which results in hours and hours of training time spent developing an energy system that you may not want to be developing! Remember, these methods only give a single data point on a curve which happens to be the most important point to have, however some of the other more sophisticated methods provide the full curve and therefore also allow you to evaluation physiological specifics and target those areas within an athlete’s training program. With that said, here’s the simplest most effective ways I know how to find Anaerobic Threshold heart rate:

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 After a warm-up, complete an 8 minute all out time trial on your bike recording average heart rate, and average power:

  • TH heart rate is typically about 8 beats below the average heart rate for this test. TH power is typically the average power from this test multiplied by 0.92.

Cross Check: This method requires no immediate testing if you already have the data:

  • Take the highest HR you have ever seen on the bike (within the last 4 years) and subtract your resting HR from that number. Then multiple that “heart rate reserve” by 0.81 and add back your resting to that number.

Take the average of these two methods or choose one versus the other based on how accurate the data input were to each.

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Primary: After determining your bike TH heart rate, you can then offset it to your run TH heart rate by adding 6-14 beats. Almost every athlete I have worked with falls within this range with most being right around 10. So, first add 10 and then make the following adjustments to the number you get:

  • If you are a woman shorter than 5’-3” subtract 2
  • If you are a woman taller than 5’-9” add 4
  • If you are a male shorter than 5’-6” subtract 2
  • If you are a male taller than 6’-0” add 4

Cross Check: After a determining your TH above, confirm your running estimate by completing an open running road race while recording average heart rate. A great estimate of threshold from an open road race is:

  • Average 5K heart rate minus 15 beats
  • Average 10K heart rate minus 10 beats
  • Average half marathon heart rate minus 5 beats

Take the average of these two methods or choose one versus the other based on how accurate the data input was to each. After two open road races confirm the offset, its likely best to use that number and disregard the primary offset above if it suggests something different.

I always like to cross check TH heart rate with a few different methods since this is the number a lot of an athlete’s training will be based on! For a full set of heart rate training zones based on threshold heart rate, visit the QT2 member resource area. The bottom line is that most athletes should spend more than 70% of their time at less than 86% of this number with almost 100% during the early season. It takes patience! Happy training!!

-Jesse

 

2011-05-16 11:27 AM
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shellback1998 - 2011-05-16 9:21 AM

Oh hell no. I am no stick, I have mass. Hills and Scott don't like each other. Downhills, are great though. That's when I get to pass all your skinny people!  


Scott 

Lucky guy!  You're just like my friend Deyo when we go cycling... downhills he passes me w/o any effort due to his mass!  Tongue out

~Roland



2011-05-16 11:28 AM
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tashia153 - 2011-05-16 12:03 PM

Envy you guys that can actually do some workouts but I really feel that I need to build the base and be able to comfortably go beyond my sprint distances before race day....only 6 weeks away.  Eeeek.

Linda

To echo Scott, great job!! I've been at it since January, and like you have just been steadily adding volume. I just got an HR monitor, just to help me stay in the base building range and counter my urge to push too hard.  Your bike volume is awesome!

David

2011-05-16 11:29 AM
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David, what did you end up getting?
2011-05-16 11:35 AM
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Hi Scott!  Sure, I'd like to join your mentor group.  What is it anyway? :-)

2011-05-16 11:40 AM
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It's just a group of like minded people who are just starting out with Triathlon, As you can see from all the previous threads that people ask me questions and I do the best of my ability to answer them. I also try my best to motivate each individual. I'm not a coach, I'm not a Dietitian but I do have experience in both.  so welcome, and enjoy.
2011-05-16 11:40 AM
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kloofyroland - 2011-05-16 12:21 PM
scout142 - 2011-05-16 5:13 AM

here is what BT calculated for me as HR using 171 as my LT....

Hi David, how did you figure out your LT of 171?

~Roland

Scott just posted what looks like a great way to calculate.  I basically monitored my HR on a treadmill, over about 20 minutes, starting at 10 m/m and descending to an 8 m/m (which is SERIOUSLY trucking for me) for as long as I could stand it. When I could stand it no more, I grabbed the HR handles and it said 171.  The handles kept me from falling over!  Not the recommended way I think, but its what I'm using until i can do a better field test either by the method Scott posted or which I read about here: http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/cms/article-detail.asp?articleid=633



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Had a great workout this morning before work - in our brick class we went outside to run and I was the slowest person (that actually ran the whole time, there were a handful of people that I think just gave up because they never passed me and I didn't see them finish) but I am happy with the progress I made - the run was 2.4 miles and it took me 25 minutes, so I was almost at a 6.0 pace (which is really good for me).

Tonight I'll be doing my weight training and I'm going to get a swim in before class today, so it will be a productive day with the workouts.

Linda - you're doing great on the runs, you have some good distance behind you!  I wish the Mankato sprint wasn't 3.6 miles, not sure why it's not the normal 5k.  Six weeks to go...  I'm excited!

 

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2011-05-16 11:42 AM
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Ha... My Doctor says i'll never be a stick so, I'll just have to compensate for that with speed
2011-05-16 11:44 AM
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You should be excited! You're kicking some arse... Great job Jen...
2011-05-16 11:45 AM
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shellback1998 - 2011-05-16 12:29 PM David, what did you end up getting?

I got at Timex road trainer....wanted the garmin, but watching the cash flow!

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