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 2012-05-01 4:38 PM in reply to: #4183097 |
Pro  4353    Wallingford, PA |  Subject: RE: Ironman U.S. Championship : Official ThreadDream Chaser - 2012-05-01 8:44 AM So with Ironman St. George turning into a 70.3 - will IMLP or IMNYC be the toughest Ironman course in North America? It looks as though LP has just over 1,000 more feet of climbing. But IMNCY hands-down has a much-much more brutal run. 1600 feet gain from 4 repeats up one climb alone, not mentioning the steps that also must be traversed 4X. And if there are heavy rains the days leading up to the race, the Hudson can be choppy and it sounds like the tide will be against athletes to start (according to the IMNCY website). So yeah, compared to Mirror Lake, I think the swim will also pose more of a challenge. Also the weather will likely be hotter and more humid than LP. Based on these criteria I'm going to say IMNYC clearly will be the tougher Ironman. Having said all that, I plan to race IMNYC in 2013 or 2014 Now get back to your stair climb and hill repeats people!!! T-minus 101 Days to go!!! Wait... what steps have to be traversed 4 times? I thought there were just stairs up to the GWB (and perhaps back down on the other side?) |
| 2012-05-01 6:37 PM in reply to: #4184691 |
| Subject: RE: Ironman U.S. Championship : Official Thread jsnowash - 2012-05-01 5:38 PM Dream Chaser - 2012-05-01 8:44 AM Wait... what steps have to be traversed 4 times? I thought there were just stairs up to the GWB (and perhaps back down on the other side?) So with Ironman St. George turning into a 70.3 - will IMLP or IMNYC be the toughest Ironman course in North America? It looks as though LP has just over 1,000 more feet of climbing. But IMNCY hands-down has a much-much more brutal run. 1600 feet gain from 4 repeats up one climb alone, not mentioning the steps that also must be traversed 4X. And if there are heavy rains the days leading up to the race, the Hudson can be choppy and it sounds like the tide will be against athletes to start (according to the IMNCY website). So yeah, compared to Mirror Lake, I think the swim will also pose more of a challenge. Also the weather will likely be hotter and more humid than LP. Based on these criteria I'm going to say IMNYC clearly will be the tougher Ironman. Having said all that, I plan to race IMNYC in 2013 or 2014 Now get back to your stair climb and hill repeats people!!! T-minus 101 Days to go!!! Ah, I a$$umed there were stairs at both ends of the bridge. Glad to hear there are just stairs at one end. Edited by Dream Chaser 2012-05-01 6:43 PM |
| 2012-05-01 7:30 PM in reply to: #4184900 |
Pro 4353 Wallingford, PA | Subject: RE: Ironman U.S. Championship : Official Thread Dream Chaser - 2012-05-01 7:37 PM jsnowash - 2012-05-01 5:38 PM Dream Chaser - 2012-05-01 8:44 AM Wait... what steps have to be traversed 4 times? I thought there were just stairs up to the GWB (and perhaps back down on the other side?) So with Ironman St. George turning into a 70.3 - will IMLP or IMNYC be the toughest Ironman course in North America? It looks as though LP has just over 1,000 more feet of climbing. But IMNCY hands-down has a much-much more brutal run. 1600 feet gain from 4 repeats up one climb alone, not mentioning the steps that also must be traversed 4X. And if there are heavy rains the days leading up to the race, the Hudson can be choppy and it sounds like the tide will be against athletes to start (according to the IMNCY website). So yeah, compared to Mirror Lake, I think the swim will also pose more of a challenge. Also the weather will likely be hotter and more humid than LP. Based on these criteria I'm going to say IMNYC clearly will be the tougher Ironman. Having said all that, I plan to race IMNYC in 2013 or 2014 Now get back to your stair climb and hill repeats people!!! T-minus 101 Days to go!!! Ah, I a$$umed there were stairs at both ends of the bridge. Glad to hear there are just stairs at one end. But you only cross the Bridge once which means going up the stairs on one side and down the stairs on the other... I'm trying to figure out where your 4 sets of stairs come from... |
| 2012-05-01 9:08 PM in reply to: #4184980 |
Regular 183 Parker, Colorado | Subject: RE: Ironman U.S. Championship : Official Thread jsnowash - 2012-05-01 6:30 PM Dream Chaser - 2012-05-01 7:37 PM jsnowash - 2012-05-01 5:38 PM Dream Chaser - 2012-05-01 8:44 AM Wait... what steps have to be traversed 4 times? I thought there were just stairs up to the GWB (and perhaps back down on the other side?) So with Ironman St. George turning into a 70.3 - will IMLP or IMNYC be the toughest Ironman course in North America? It looks as though LP has just over 1,000 more feet of climbing. But IMNCY hands-down has a much-much more brutal run. 1600 feet gain from 4 repeats up one climb alone, not mentioning the steps that also must be traversed 4X. And if there are heavy rains the days leading up to the race, the Hudson can be choppy and it sounds like the tide will be against athletes to start (according to the IMNCY website). So yeah, compared to Mirror Lake, I think the swim will also pose more of a challenge. Also the weather will likely be hotter and more humid than LP. Based on these criteria I'm going to say IMNYC clearly will be the tougher Ironman. Having said all that, I plan to race IMNYC in 2013 or 2014 Now get back to your stair climb and hill repeats people!!! T-minus 101 Days to go!!! Ah, I a$$umed there were stairs at both ends of the bridge. Glad to hear there are just stairs at one end. But you only cross the Bridge once which means going up the stairs on one side and down the stairs on the other... I'm trying to figure out where your 4 sets of stairs come from... According to the March facebook post, it will go like this one time starting around mile 17 of the run: Up 24 steps Run/walk a little bit Up 25 steps Run/walk a little bit Down 25 steps Run across the GW Bridge Down 23 steps Run/walk a little bit Up 26 steps Run/walk a little bit Down what looks like 23 steps from a picture Start running again, shortly to arrive at a steep 150 foot descent according to yesterday's email. I honestly don't know how to train for the stairs without risking injury, I'll probably just hold the railing as tight as I can on race day and try to get through them in one piece. I get to practice on the sand ladder at Alcatraz next month, so I should learn a bit there (400 steps 6 miles into an 8 mile run). As to the original question, I think it will easily be the hardest run course left in north america, but the bike is average elevation gain, only one little steep section right at the start, I think fairly straightforward to pace, and no turns other than three turnarounds - only potential pitfall is crappy pavement. The swim is unique and impossible to predict at this point. A hot/humid day will probably make this the toughest, a mild day probably somewhere in the top three overall. |
| 2012-05-01 9:11 PM in reply to: #3550668 |
Pro 4353 Wallingford, PA | Subject: RE: Ironman U.S. Championship : Official Thread Thanks for the clarification... Good to know what's in store. |
| 2012-05-06 11:11 AM in reply to: #3550668 |
Master 1989  New Jersey | Subject: RE: Ironman U.S. Championship : Official Thread I think this is was either posted earlier, or someone showed me some official tide charts. The way I understand it, the tide will "technically" be against us at 7am, but at a very slow rate as the tide is stopping coming in. I think it's around 7:10ish, that it's completely neutral, and by 7:30, the tide is going out so it's with us. Overall, I'm not looking for the swim to be affected. If anything, just a bit helpful. |
| 2012-05-09 1:25 PM in reply to: #3550668 |
Member 8 Brooklyn, NY | Subject: RE: Ironman U.S. Championship : Official Thread Did the escape to palisades half marathon on Sunday. Was the hardest Half Mary I ever did. (did about 20) Only the first 4 miles of the 6.5 mile out and back were part of the course but it is definetely a challenging course but doable. You do get downhills to lower your heart rate but they are taxing on the feet and heels if you pound down. I only did a 2.02 but even a friend who did 1.23 said it was the hardest he had ever did. But thats fine. Doesnt mean we all arent going to kick . |
| 2012-05-11 12:15 PM in reply to: #3550668 |
Veteran 244 London, England | Subject: RE: Ironman U.S. Championship : Official Thread Hey all - I just got a call about the last 3 charity entries that are yet to be taken for the race, which are basically the last 3 spots available. It's a bit late to get started training, but anybody training up for another race and interested in doing the US Championships? Spots run $1750 pay or fundraise (or combo of both), which at this point is at cost (and can negotiate if you really want to do it). Hit me back in a personal message, or better via e-mail, if you or someone you know is interested. Deadline is Tuesday, and they're first come first serve starting now. Feel free to pass along. |
| 2012-05-15 4:07 PM in reply to: #3550668 |
Master 1790 \Windsor, Ontario | Subject: RE: Ironman U.S. Championship : Official Thread Hi Team IM US Champ NYC I just booked TriBike Transport from transition to pier - anyone else taking advantage of this service? KC |
| 2012-05-15 5:28 PM in reply to: #4211497 |
Master 2468 Muskego, Wisconsin | Subject: RE: Ironman U.S. Championship : Official Thread I forgot about that, I'm in a bad reception spot can you give me the link. Looks like I'll be coming up solo so that service would be a big help after a tough day. IMTX in 4 days woohoo. |
| 2012-05-15 5:33 PM in reply to: #4211669 |
Master 1790 \Windsor, Ontario | Subject: RE: Ironman U.S. Championship : Official Thread Here you go my friend - all the best at IMTX. KC http://www.tribiketransport.com/
papson14 - 2012-05-15 6:28 PM I forgot about that, I'm in a bad reception spot can you give me the link. Looks like I'll be coming up solo so that service would be a big help after a tough day. IMTX in 4 days woohoo. |
| 2012-05-15 8:56 PM in reply to: #4211497 |
Regular 183 Parker, Colorado | Subject: RE: Ironman U.S. Championship : Official Thread kcgolf - 2012-05-15 3:07 PM Hi Team IM US Champ NYC I just booked TriBike Transport from transition to pier - anyone else taking advantage of this service? KC I'm taking it one step further and having them valet it to and from Colorado - I usually fly with my bike, but this seems like the perfect race to just let someone else deal with it. Not much new information about the race coming out, only things I've seen are that we can count on Green Perform on the bike and Orange on the run, and the water will be "oxygenated", since we now have a title sponsor for the IM US Championships - Aquadraat, a Dutch bottled water company. Hopefully they release more info on the ferry process and schedule, that's the one thing left that I'm anxious to know. Good training to all, about ten weeks left until taper. Edited by coxma22 2012-05-15 9:01 PM |
| 2012-05-16 6:11 AM in reply to: #4211912 |
Pro 4353 Wallingford, PA | Subject: RE: Ironman U.S. Championship : Official Thread coxma22 - 2012-05-15 9:56 PM kcgolf - 2012-05-15 3:07 PM Hi Team IM US Champ NYC I just booked TriBike Transport from transition to pier - anyone else taking advantage of this service? KC I'm taking it one step further and having them valet it to and from Colorado - I usually fly with my bike, but this seems like the perfect race to just let someone else deal with it. Not much new information about the race coming out, only things I've seen are that we can count on Green Perform on the bike and Orange on the run, and the water will be "oxygenated", since we now have a title sponsor for the IM US Championships - Aquadraat, a Dutch bottled water company. Hopefully they release more info on the ferry process and schedule, that's the one thing left that I'm anxious to know. Good training to all, about ten weeks left until taper. Yikes! That doesn't sound like much time - does it? I think I'm doing okay training-wise, but things will start to really ramp up from here on out. Starting to feel a little nervous! I notice a few of you have your logs set so only friends can view them, and was wondering if you would consider adding me as a "friend". I like to check up on what kind of training other folks are doing - helps reassure me that I'm on the right track... Edited by jsnowash 2012-05-16 6:11 AM |
| 2012-05-16 8:50 AM in reply to: #3550668 |
Master 1989 New Jersey | Subject: RE: Ironman U.S. Championship : Official Thread I don't update my logs on this site. Have enough trouble just updating my regular log. But, if it helps, my long ride is up to 66 miles, I'm putting in a long run of 10-12 miles each week, and a long swim of ~3500y. That's really all I go by to see if I'm "on track." I'm more or less following Fink's plan, so you can easily figure out the rest of my week. |
| 2012-05-18 6:08 AM in reply to: #3550668 |
Pro 4353 Wallingford, PA | Subject: RE: Ironman U.S. Championship : Official Thread So.... I'm curious whether any of you have any specific plans regarding gearing for the bike. My current set-up is compact crank with a 12-23 cassette. On local rides, when I'm climbing, it's tough for me to avoid spiking power above levels I would probably want to avoid for an IM distance race, so I'm considering a different cassette for the race. Has anyone given any thought to what kind of gearing you're planning to use? |
| 2012-05-18 10:40 AM in reply to: #4216320 |
Regular 183 Parker, Colorado | Subject: RE: Ironman U.S. Championship : Official Thread jsnowash - 2012-05-18 5:08 AM So.... I'm curious whether any of you have any specific plans regarding gearing for the bike. My current set-up is compact crank with a 12-23 cassette. On local rides, when I'm climbing, it's tough for me to avoid spiking power above levels I would probably want to avoid for an IM distance race, so I'm considering a different cassette for the race. Has anyone given any thought to what kind of gearing you're planning to use? I'm planning to ride 53/39 up front and 11/27 in the back. The bulk of the course can be done without any concern for large gears on the back, but two short sections very early on - the climb out of transition, and the short stretch before and after the right turn off of Henry Hudson Drive onto River Road exiting the park. The climb our of transition is about .3 miles, probably 7-8% at worst, but the stretch near that right turn is going to be tricky, particularly the 100-200 yards just after the turn, where it is probably around 15% grade and there is no way to carry any speed into it due to the hard turn just before. I suspect there will be people unprepared for this little stretch who end up having to clip out - knowing this is coming and having a big enough gear in the back to spin through it should be part of your plan. I think bigger than 23 would be good to have, if only for that one spot. |
| 2012-05-24 8:47 AM in reply to: #3550668 |
Master 1989 New Jersey | Subject: RE: Ironman U.S. Championship : Official Thread Big training weekend coming up. Should get in a couple of long rides, and will be running the NYC side of the course - and throw in those stairs to the GWB too. (really? Stairs? Sheesh!) |
| 2012-05-26 6:06 PM in reply to: #3550668 |
Master 1790 \Windsor, Ontario | Subject: RE: Ironman U.S. Championship : Official Thread Hey Team IMNYC. I hope everyone is doing well. I have a big question to ask. I am currently booked at the candlewood suites on 39th steet but am considering booking at the host hotel - the Sheraton. This is my firs IM and I have never been to NYC. I was originally scheduled to attend with a friend from Ohio but he is injured and will not be going. While the Sheraton is more expensive I am wondering your thoughts on whether I should just bite the bullet and stay at the host hotel to get the full experience since I will not have anyone with me on the trip? Thanks. KC |
| 2012-05-27 1:05 PM in reply to: #3550668 |
Member 8 Brooklyn, NY | Subject: RE: Ironman U.S. Championship : Official Thread The host Hotel has been sold out for months. |
| 2012-05-27 1:08 PM in reply to: #4231199 |
Master 1790 \Windsor, Ontario | Subject: RE: Ironman U.S. Championship : Official Thread Actually - there are still rooms available - checked yesterday. So would you recomend staying there for the experience or stick with the one I have booked on 39th? marathon88 - 2012-05-27 2:05 PM The host Hotel has been sold out for months. |
| 2012-05-27 1:23 PM in reply to: #4231199 |
Master 1790 \Windsor, Ontario | Subject: RE: Ironman U.S. Championship : Official Thread Just booked it - just in case - I will let the rest of the group let me know what they think the pros and cons are. Can cancel on or before June 21 if wanted. marathon88 - 2012-05-27 2:05 PM The host Hotel has been sold out for months. |
| 2012-05-27 2:04 PM in reply to: #4216776 |
Expert 2355 Madison, Wisconsin | Subject: RE: Ironman U.S. Championship : Official Thread coxma22 - 2012-05-18 10:40 AM jsnowash - 2012-05-18 5:08 AM So.... I'm curious whether any of you have any specific plans regarding gearing for the bike. My current set-up is compact crank with a 12-23 cassette. On local rides, when I'm climbing, it's tough for me to avoid spiking power above levels I would probably want to avoid for an IM distance race, so I'm considering a different cassette for the race. Has anyone given any thought to what kind of gearing you're planning to use? I'm planning to ride 53/39 up front and 11/27 in the back. The bulk of the course can be done without any concern for large gears on the back, but two short sections very early on - the climb out of transition, and the short stretch before and after the right turn off of Henry Hudson Drive onto River Road exiting the park. The climb our of transition is about .3 miles, probably 7-8% at worst, but the stretch near that right turn is going to be tricky, particularly the 100-200 yards just after the turn, where it is probably around 15% grade and there is no way to carry any speed into it due to the hard turn just before. I suspect there will be people unprepared for this little stretch who end up having to clip out - knowing this is coming and having a big enough gear in the back to spin through it should be part of your plan. I think bigger than 23 would be good to have, if only for that one spot.
Another option would be to run a 50/34 with a 12-25 rear. This will give you the same gear options for those climbs, but the gears will be spaced much closer which would be great for this course as your gears will be much tighter and you won't have the huge gap from 19-21-23-25-27, and instead you will only switch one cog each time. |
| 2012-05-27 6:31 PM in reply to: #4230671 |
Regular 183 Parker, Colorado | Subject: RE: Ironman U.S. Championship : Official Thread kcgolf - 2012-05-26 5:06 PM Hey Team IMNYC. I hope everyone is doing well. I have a big question to ask. I am currently booked at the candlewood suites on 39th steet but am considering booking at the host hotel - the Sheraton. This is my firs IM and I have never been to NYC. I was originally scheduled to attend with a friend from Ohio but he is injured and will not be going. While the Sheraton is more expensive I am wondering your thoughts on whether I should just bite the bullet and stay at the host hotel to get the full experience since I will not have anyone with me on the trip? Thanks. KC Where you stay is based on a lot of personal factors, obviously, and I don't know what the cost difference is, but if I were in your position, I think I would stick with the Candlewood. To me, it has two advantages 1) - A kitchen, and 2) you can walk to the ferry the morning of the race, and not have to rely on the bus at the host hotel at 4 in the morning. If they screw up those buses at 4 in the morning somehow, like not having enough, I wouldn't want the stress if it could be avoided. Relying on public transport like we have to at a first-time event is a bit of concern, at least they will have wrung out the ferries on Friday. If you want the "vibe" of the host hotel, you can hang out in the lobby before the race. Once you're in your room, being at the host hotel is meaningless. That said, there's really no bad decision, do what you most feel like doing. |
| 2012-05-28 8:50 PM in reply to: #4231383 |
Master 1790 \Windsor, Ontario | Subject: RE: Ironman U.S. Championship : Official Thread Thanks Matt coxma22 - 2012-05-27 7:31 PM kcgolf - 2012-05-26 5:06 PM Where you stay is based on a lot of personal factors, obviously, and I don't know what the cost difference is, but if I were in your position, I think I would stick with the Candlewood. To me, it has two advantages 1) - A kitchen, and 2) you can walk to the ferry the morning of the race, and not have to rely on the bus at the host hotel at 4 in the morning. If they screw up those buses at 4 in the morning somehow, like not having enough, I wouldn't want the stress if it could be avoided. Relying on public transport like we have to at a first-time event is a bit of concern, at least they will have wrung out the ferries on Friday. If you want the "vibe" of the host hotel, you can hang out in the lobby before the race. Once you're in your room, being at the host hotel is meaningless. That said, there's really no bad decision, do what you most feel like doing.Hey Team IMNYC. I hope everyone is doing well. I have a big question to ask. I am currently booked at the candlewood suites on 39th steet but am considering booking at the host hotel - the Sheraton. This is my firs IM and I have never been to NYC. I was originally scheduled to attend with a friend from Ohio but he is injured and will not be going. While the Sheraton is more expensive I am wondering your thoughts on whether I should just bite the bullet and stay at the host hotel to get the full experience since I will not have anyone with me on the trip? Thanks. KC |
| 2012-05-29 2:38 PM in reply to: #3550668 |
Master 1989 New Jersey | Subject: RE: Ironman U.S. Championship : Official Thread Ran the Manhattan portion of the run course the other day. Some observations of this section: Flat! A couple of inclines, but really nothing. Hot! Not too much shade out there. VERY steep downhill from the bridge to the Greenway. I was on it and thinking there must be some other way to get there, but re-read the course description when I got back, and sure enough, they mention the steep descent. dammm! last thing I want 130 miles into a race is a quad-burning descent. I definitely can envision a few people taking a tumble trying to go too fast. |
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