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 2012-12-03 10:00 AM in reply to: #4519169 |
Master  2912    ...at home in The ATL |  Subject: RE: Ironman Lake Placid : Official ThreadBrian - good luck on healing up! Sounds like you have very good reason to be on the road bike for now no matter what. FWIW I am on my road bike right now almost exclusively, just because of the type of riding I am doing mostly. I seem to be fit very well on both and switch back and forth all the time with no issues. I really feel great on both and enjoy them equally. For anyone interested (and in case you haven't already read it) the link below goes to an article by Jordan Rapp about why triathletes ought to spend more time on a road bike. According to Jordan it has little to do with group rides and bike handling skills (although those issues are mentioned briefly). Instead he argues that it is about maintaining a consistent position on the bike during different kinds of training. Why Triathletes *NEED* a Road Bike Safe training to all - I suppose it really is getting to be time to start thinking about IMLP! |
| 2012-12-03 3:30 PM in reply to: #4341496 |
Master 1460  Burlington, Vermont | Subject: RE: Ironman Lake Placid : Official Thread I wish I had a choice to make between my roadie and a yet-to-be purchased tri bike. Sigh. I wrote out my 30 week plan last night on a large wall calendar that I hung in the pain cave where I'll be doing all my winter riding. It's the Fink "Competitive Plan" that merges with Pfitzinger's 12 week 55mpw plan for a marathon build in the middle. It begins January 1st. Until then, I'm just sort of enjoying a bit of down time and doing whatever I feel like doing. A little of this, a little of that. Key word, right now being "little". |
| 2012-12-03 7:02 PM in reply to: #4341496 |
| Veteran 329 Roanoke, VA | Subject: RE: Ironman Lake Placid : Official Thread Looking for some feedback on adjustments to my training plan. I am planning to follow the Fink 30 wk competitive plan. I realize that it calls for a half iron on June 2nd, but it's working out that my half will be 2 weeks earlier on May 19th. Should I start the plan 2 weeks early to build up to the half correctly? If so, what would you recommend for the 2 weeks between then and June 2nd? I'm assuming I'd want to get back in synch with the plan to correctly peak for IMLP. Or should I just start on Jan 1 and do the half on May 19th instead of the workouts called for on that weekend? Thanks for any advice. Mike |
| 2012-12-03 9:32 PM in reply to: #4520227 |
Member 71 Bel Air | Subject: RE: Ironman Lake Placid : Official Thread mdalsey - 2012-12-03 8:02 PM Looking for some feedback on adjustments to my training plan. I am planning to follow the Fink 30 wk competitive plan. I realize that it calls for a half iron on June 2nd, but it's working out that my half will be 2 weeks earlier on May 19th. Should I start the plan 2 weeks early to build up to the half correctly? If so, what would you recommend for the 2 weeks between then and June 2nd? I'm assuming I'd want to get back in synch with the plan to correctly peak for IMLP. Or should I just start on Jan 1 and do the half on May 19th instead of the workouts called for on that weekend? Thanks for any advice. Mike IMO I think it's fine if you do your half iron earlier, but I wouldn't do it too much later than June 1st/2nd just because you don't want it to be too close to IMLP race day. You should be fine. I'm doing the Fink plan as well and according to the plan, you'll already have enough of a base after 18 weeks and if you follow the plan you'll have plant of brick workouts and a 3-4 hour bike ride under your belt. |
| 2012-12-05 9:32 PM in reply to: #4341496 |
Extreme Veteran 678 Rome, NY | Subject: RE: Ironman Lake Placid : Official Thread I wanted to boost all you IM LP racers motivation enjoy my journey in 2012!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z42YUjgpW3c&feature=youtu.be Edited by triguy1043 2012-12-05 9:35 PM |
| 2012-12-06 10:30 AM in reply to: #4341496 |
Master 1460 Burlington, Vermont | Subject: RE: Ironman Lake Placid : Official Thread I got into the pool last night, and my coach, prior to flipping the white board around, said "let's give you a sense of what 2.4 miles is going to feel like in 7 months". 3600yds ... my longest pool workout to date. The meat of which was the following: 2 x [10 x 50 on :50, 1 x 500 with :30 rest, 2 x 25 all out on :30] That second set of 50s ... and the 500 that followed had me swimming through molasses with jelly for arms. I'm feeling it today ... in a good way. The rest of the workout is in my log if you're interested. Really work the pull set to tire your arms out a bit before the main set. My paces faded significantly at the end, but I was able to focus on form and keep it together pretty well. |
| 2012-12-06 12:22 PM in reply to: #4524452 |
Member 71 Bel Air | Subject: RE: Ironman Lake Placid : Official Thread BernardDogs - 2012-12-06 11:30 AMI got into the pool last night, and my coach, prior to flipping the white board around, said "let's give you a sense of what 2.4 miles is going to feel like in 7 months". Awesome job!!! 50s on :50 is fast...I usually do 10x50 on a minute and average around 0:45 so get 15 sec rest ....I did 8x200 with 20 second rest yesterday (3:25 avg) and I could barely lift my arms today (2800m total). Guess i have more work to do. Are there any "key workouts" you do to get ready for the swim?3600yds ... my longest pool workout to date. The meat of which was the following: 2 x [10 x 50 on :50, 1 x 500 with :30 rest, 2 x 25 all out on :30] That second set of 50s ... and the 500 that followed had me swimming through molasses with jelly for arms. I'm feeling it today ... in a good way. The rest of the workout is in my log if you're interested. Really work the pull set to tire your arms out a bit before the main set. My paces faded significantly at the end, but I was able to focus on form and keep it together pretty well. Edited by adamjbosley 2012-12-06 12:24 PM |
| 2012-12-06 12:56 PM in reply to: #4524730 |
Master 1460 Burlington, Vermont | Subject: RE: Ironman Lake Placid : Official Thread adamjbosley - 2012-12-06 1:22 PM Awesome job!!! 50s on :50 is fast...I usually do 10x50 on a minute and average around 0:45 so get 15 sec rest ....I did 8x200 with 20 second rest yesterday (3:25 avg) and I could barely lift my arms today (2800m total). Guess i have more work to do. Are there any "key workouts" you do to get ready for the swim? I was coming in on about :45 for the first set of 50s as well. Then I was creeping toward :49 for the final 5 of the second set ... that sucked. I held a 1:46 pace for the first 500 and then a 1:50 for the second 500. My cool down felt so luxurious at a 2:00 pace. I was just kind of zoning out. I really just trust my coach. He's a triathlete himself and raced IMLP last year. He's a solid swimmer and knows what I'm doing (essentially) with my training. He punishes me in the water (my weakness) and then I occasionally take him to the track and get my revenge. I usually post all my workouts in my log, and he has no concerns with me sharing them ... feel free to take whatever you want, but I don't have a real good sense of why or how his approach will work. It's pretty much blind faith with the knowledge that I know I can at least cover the distance. |
| 2012-12-06 6:04 PM in reply to: #4524452 |
Extreme Veteran 410 Northern Illinois | Subject: RE: Ironman Lake Placid : Official Thread BernardDogs - 2012-12-06 10:30 AM I got into the pool last night, and my coach, prior to flipping the white board around, said "let's give you a sense of what 2.4 miles is going to feel like in 7 months". 3600yds ... my longest pool workout to date. The meat of which was the following: 2 x [10 x 50 on :50, 1 x 500 with :30 rest, 2 x 25 all out on :30] That second set of 50s ... and the 500 that followed had me swimming through molasses with jelly for arms. I'm feeling it today ... in a good way. The rest of the workout is in my log if you're interested. Really work the pull set to tire your arms out a bit before the main set. My paces faded significantly at the end, but I was able to focus on form and keep it together pretty well. My arms would have fallen off. I don't even want to post my recent swim workouts after reading that! Nice swim! |
| 2012-12-06 6:24 PM in reply to: #4341496 |
Pro 5755 | Subject: RE: Ironman Lake Placid : Official Thread I was discharged by the orthopedic surgeon today. Time to ramp up training. Went from the doc to the gym and did a 40 minute run. It's not a lot but its improvement. |
| 2012-12-06 6:24 PM in reply to: #4341496 |
Pro 5755 | Subject: RE: Ironman Lake Placid : Official Thread I was discharged by the orthopedic surgeon today. Time to ramp up training. Went from the doc to the gym and did a 40 minute run. It's not a lot but its improvement. |
| 2012-12-06 7:55 PM in reply to: #4341496 |
Master 1460 Burlington, Vermont | Subject: RE: Ironman Lake Placid : Official Thread Good to hear, Brian!! You'll be back to full speed before you know it! |
| 2012-12-07 10:24 AM in reply to: #4341496 |
Extreme Veteran 801 Ballston Spa, NY | Subject: RE: Ironman Lake Placid : Official Thread Hope every ones training is going well! Stay healthy and look at big picture! |
| 2012-12-07 10:36 AM in reply to: #4525511 |
Pro 5755 | Subject: RE: Ironman Lake Placid : Official Thread BernardDogs - 2012-12-06 8:55 PM Good to hear, Brian!! You'll be back to full speed before you know it! Thanks, it's going to be an awesome winter. For masochists |
| 2012-12-09 11:42 AM in reply to: #4524452 |
Member 71 Bel Air | Subject: RE: Ironman Lake Placid : Official Thread BernardDogs - 2012-12-06 11:30 AM I got into the pool last night, and my coach, prior to flipping the white board around, said "let's give you a sense of what 2.4 miles is going to feel like in 7 months". 3600yds ... my longest pool workout to date. The meat of which was the following: 2 x [10 x 50 on :50, 1 x 500 with :30 rest, 2 x 25 all out on :30] That second set of 50s ... and the 500 that followed had me swimming through molasses with jelly for arms. I'm feeling it today ... in a good way. The rest of the workout is in my log if you're interested. Really work the pull set to tire your arms out a bit before the main set. My paces faded significantly at the end, but I was able to focus on form and keep it together pretty well.
I don't know how you finished that set so fast! I just did the workout this morning and did a total of 3800 and finished in a little over 1:25...the 10x50 i changed to :55 since on the first one I came in right at 0:50. The set doesn't look too bad on paper but I was hurting by the end. Great workout though and mentally it felt good to know I could do the distance. Thanks for the workout! |
| 2012-12-10 7:34 AM in reply to: #4341496 |
| Regular 176 | Subject: RE: Ironman Lake Placid : Official Thread Good morning, all! General training question: as life (family, work, kids) bumps into triathlon, particularly a longer training plan such as Fink, how do you decide what to adjust in the plan? As I have a pretty demanding job and family/kids, but love longer tri races, I choose to play the balancing game. I am curious what everyone has found to be the best places to give in a plan, if needed? Also, I am confident I can hit most biking and running workouts, but the swim sessions may be more of a challenge (but massive kudos to the last few posts on those swimming like fish already!). Plan wise, I am thinking Fink intermediate with perhaps the competitive level bike routine, as long as I can keep it up. I feel like everything revolves around the bike... I am just not sure that if I over-emphasize the bike, will the plan be out of balance. Any thoughts or suggestions are welcome. Thanks in advance! |
| 2012-12-11 5:40 AM in reply to: #4528793 |
Member 206 East Syracuse, New York | Subject: RE: Ironman Lake Placid : Official Thread jsenc2002 - 2012-12-10 7:34 AM Good morning, all! General training question: as life (family, work, kids) bumps into triathlon, particularly a longer training plan such as Fink, how do you decide what to adjust in the plan? As I have a pretty demanding job and family/kids, but love longer tri races, I choose to play the balancing game. I am curious what everyone has found to be the best places to give in a plan, if needed? Also, I am confident I can hit most biking and running workouts, but the swim sessions may be more of a challenge (but massive kudos to the last few posts on those swimming like fish already!). Plan wise, I am thinking Fink intermediate with perhaps the competitive level bike routine, as long as I can keep it up. I feel like everything revolves around the bike... I am just not sure that if I over-emphasize the bike, will the plan be out of balance. Any thoughts or suggestions are welcome. Thanks in advance! I think the general consensus last year was make sure you hit all the long weekend workouts and it wasnt going to kill you to miss or adjust some of the mid-week stuff. I think a lot of that depends on how competitive you are. Are you looking for a certain time? I think more emphasis on the bike is smart if thats where you think you need the work |
| 2012-12-12 9:01 AM in reply to: #4528793 |
Master 1460 Burlington, Vermont | Subject: RE: Ironman Lake Placid : Official Thread jsenc2002 - 2012-12-10 8:34 AM Good morning, all! General training question: as life (family, work, kids) bumps into triathlon, particularly a longer training plan such as Fink, how do you decide what to adjust in the plan? As I have a pretty demanding job and family/kids, but love longer tri races, I choose to play the balancing game. I am curious what everyone has found to be the best places to give in a plan, if needed? Also, I am confident I can hit most biking and running workouts, but the swim sessions may be more of a challenge (but massive kudos to the last few posts on those swimming like fish already!). Plan wise, I am thinking Fink intermediate with perhaps the competitive level bike routine, as long as I can keep it up. I feel like everything revolves around the bike... I am just not sure that if I over-emphasize the bike, will the plan be out of balance. Any thoughts or suggestions are welcome. Thanks in advance! I hate to say this, but I think the answer is going to depend on your particular life scenarios. I've done enough long term plans to know that I can't possibly hit every workout. As that happens, I do my best to gauge where I am at that given moment and try to shift things so that the most influential workouts of that week are still going to happen. I figure a missed workout is closest to a slow recovery run (or bike, swim), so I should be able to be that much fresher when doing that week's hard workouts (tempo run, VO2 Bike, etc.). If I get to the point where I need to let go of one of the more difficult workouts, I have trained myself to let it go and move on. No sense in trying to add it to the next week just for the sake of checking it off on my wall calendar. Move on and reinvest in consistency as soon as you can. ***** On another note ... I think my December slothfest has finally ended. I actually ran this morning. I woke up, and it was 20F with no wind, so I took the opportunity to set a new shorts record. My legs were fine, so I may go for 18F when I find another no-wind kind of morning. I hate running in long pants. Had another nice pool workout last night that I've listed in my logs. This one is 3000yds, but had that nice arms-like-jelly feeling again at the end of the main set.
Edited to add: I should mention that my long-term plans mentioned at the start of this post are all marathon plans only ... this is my first IM training schedule. Edited by BernardDogs 2012-12-12 9:02 AM |
| 2012-12-12 9:33 PM in reply to: #4532041 |
| Regular 176 | Subject: RE: Ironman Lake Placid : Official Thread Congrats on the run in the cold; I actually love to run on a cold, windless day. Generally really clear, crisp, and quiet. Thanks all for your thoughts; I really appreciate it. If I can just get my bike fully functioning and get some base training work, I will be even happier. Stay warm, all! |
| 2012-12-13 11:40 AM in reply to: #4533134 |
Extreme Veteran 821 | Subject: RE: Ironman Lake Placid : Official Thread still riding outside!!! (no snow "yet") running a couple times per week to keep some fitness starting to swim more often
hope everyone is enjoying the holidays!!! |
| 2012-12-13 12:03 PM in reply to: #4533823 |
Extreme Veteran 801 Ballston Spa, NY | Subject: RE: Ironman Lake Placid : Official Thread camaleon - 2012-12-13 12:40 PM still riding outside!!! (no snow "yet") running a couple times per week to keep some fitness starting to swim more often
hope everyone is enjoying the holidays!!! Few of us did 42 miles this morning....it was 21 degrees out. |
| 2012-12-13 1:36 PM in reply to: #4533892 |
Master 1460 Burlington, Vermont | Subject: RE: Ironman Lake Placid : Official Thread cornick - 2012-12-13 1:03 PM camaleon - 2012-12-13 12:40 PM still riding outside!!! (no snow "yet") running a couple times per week to keep some fitness starting to swim more often
hope everyone is enjoying the holidays!!! Few of us did 42 miles this morning....it was 21 degrees out. You guys are bada$$. I'll run in anything ... but I just don't like the cold weather riding. That and I was actually looking forward to the trainer pain that associates with TrainerRoad. |
| 2012-12-15 11:36 PM in reply to: #4519228 |
Pro 5755 | Subject: RE: Ironman Lake Placid : Official Thread TankBoy - 2012-12-03 11:00 AM Thanks. Yes sadly I moved my tri bike to the back of my rack and am keeping the road bike on the trainer. I still intend to use the tri bike for LP but it just still freaking hurts to be on the pads. Better to be on the road bike this winter and continue to heal. And did I mention I really love my road bike Brian - good luck on healing up! Sounds like you have very good reason to be on the road bike for now no matter what. FWIW I am on my road bike right now almost exclusively, just because of the type of riding I am doing mostly. I seem to be fit very well on both and switch back and forth all the time with no issues. I really feel great on both and enjoy them equally. For anyone interested (and in case you haven't already read it) the link below goes to an article by Jordan Rapp about why triathletes ought to spend more time on a road bike. According to Jordan it has little to do with group rides and bike handling skills (although those issues are mentioned briefly). Instead he argues that it is about maintaining a consistent position on the bike during different kinds of training. Why Triathletes *NEED* a Road Bike Safe training to all - I suppose it really is getting to be time to start thinking about IMLP!  |
| 2012-12-15 11:47 PM in reply to: #4341496 |
Pro 5755 | Subject: RE: Ironman Lake Placid : Official Thread Yeah, 8 mile run this morning, longest since August. Almost a minute off my marathon time from last year but man it felt really good. Must remember water! Cold and dry means dehydration. Gave myself a good headache. And MUST remember body glide!Next week starts trying to work in training for Boston. Given LP training, I will probably peak around 45-50mpw. Low for a normal marathon training program, but I can't see how I can manage more and still swim, bike, and maintain employment and family. Had friends of my son over and the guy is a runner who has been dealing with chronic injuries. He spent a lot of time looking any the bikes and asking questions. Powerful the Dark Side is |
| 2012-12-16 9:03 AM in reply to: #4536679 |
| Regular 176 | Subject: RE: Ironman Lake Placid : Official Thread Nice run! I did a bit shorter one, but out in the elements. It felt really good to be out. I am pushing the pace a bit right now, as the slower stuff is coming around the corner. Only a couple weeks to a 30 wk plan, if I am not mistaken! Happy Sunday (Go Bears!). |
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