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2023-03-08 11:31 AM
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Atta boy, Mike!!!


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Hi, all.  You OCD nuts would have been proud of me yesterday.  We have a 20 yard indoor pool here, so I swam exactly 1500 yards by stopping at the other end of the pool and walking back after my cool down set.  




It's not OCD, it's about doing things the right way.

I'm not sure how I feel about this... I have a feeling a 20m pool should be in quantities of 200m so you always finish at the same end. 1,600, sounds right.

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2023-03-08 2:14 PM
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Hi, all.  You OCD nuts would have been proud of me yesterday.  We have a 20 yard indoor pool here, so I swam exactly 1500 yards by stopping at the other end of the pool and walking back after my cool down set.  

It's not OCD, it's about doing things the right way. I'm not sure how I feel about this... I have a feeling a 20m pool should be in quantities of 200m so you always finish at the same end. 1,600, sounds right. Haha.

OK...so 1200 tomorrow it is.  Got it.  

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Hi, all.  You OCD nuts would have been proud of me yesterday.  We have a 20 yard indoor pool here, so I swam exactly 1500 yards by stopping at the other end of the pool and walking back after my cool down set.  

It's not OCD, it's about doing things the right way. I'm not sure how I feel about this... I have a feeling a 20m pool should be in quantities of 200m so you always finish at the same end. 1,600, sounds right. Haha.

OK...so 1200 tomorrow it is.  Got it.  




Well we'll need confirmation from Gretchen. Odd length pools are an important discussion point that requires consensus.
2023-03-08 9:08 PM
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20m pool?!? Ugh. My head hurts just thinking about it. Although…I have a killer push off, so an extra per 100 would make me feel like I’m flying!!

Sounds like you need to swim multiples of 2000 to me, Mike! None of this 1200 stuff!

2023-03-09 12:05 AM
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60' Z2 ride this morning that I really didn't pay attention during. There was a lot of drifting into Z1! Oops! Oh well...10k tomorrow, so I need to be rested anyway! LOL


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60' Z2 ride this morning that I really didn't pay attention during. There was a lot of drifting into Z1! Oops! Oh well...10k tomorrow, so I need to be rested anyway! LOL


It happens to me all the time, I may not have OCD like you guys but I definitely have some ADD.

How's the ankle Gretchen?

Last night’s intervals run started well, although I’ll never know how well as my watch didn’t want to record. Managed to get it going half way through and by then I had developed stomach cramps (a nice way of saying I badly need a poo) and jogged the rest of the set clinching my butt.

Oh well, lesson learned. A big lunch at 2pm is not to recommended when running is planned at 6. The stupid thing is that it had happened before (but luckily we were indoors that day)

Today: strength session outside on the menu, although I may change that to a jog or a zwift later as it’s rather chilly (-20C this morning)


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Originally posted by drfoodlove 20m pool?!? Ugh. My head hurts just thinking about it. Although…I have a killer push off, so an extra per 100 would make me feel like I’m flying!! Sounds like you need to swim multiples of 2000 to me, Mike! None of this 1200 stuff!

I'm swimming pretty fast, too.  I have a good push off and it's salt water so my body position is a little higher.

2K??  I'm tapering dammit.  

2023-03-09 1:28 PM
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20m pool?!? Ugh. My head hurts just thinking about it. Although…I have a killer push off, so an extra per 100 would make me feel like I’m flying!!

Sounds like you need to swim multiples of 2000 to me, Mike! None of this 1200 stuff!




If you want your head to hurt, I've seen a 17m 'lap pool' at the gym closest to my house. Nope, not doing that. 25m or 50m at the one by the office will do just fine thank you.

I think that settles it. Multiples of 1,000m satisfy all OCD requirements. Sorry Mike, the Dr has spoken.
2023-03-09 1:30 PM
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60' Z2 ride this morning that I really didn't pay attention during. There was a lot of drifting into Z1! Oops! Oh well...10k tomorrow, so I need to be rested anyway! LOL


I know it doesn't help you when your on limited availability of parts and equipment over in the desert. But that is one of the things I like the most about my smart trainer. ERG mode lets you zone out and keep your effort where it should be. I am a big fan.

Good luck for your 10k, hope the air is clear.
2023-03-10 2:20 AM
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10K in the books—it was really great. Air quality was about the best you can hope for in Egypt. Except for the area where it tasted like someone was burning tires, it was pretty good. I don’t run a lot of stand alone running races, so I’m not sure exactly how much of this is common running race stuff versus Egyptian insanity, but there was some wild stuff going on! Starting with an organized group warmup of calesthenics! It was fun…1500 people jumping around to music and following the warmup crew on stage. Crazy dudes on stilts among the crowds, aggressively jumping around to get high fives. A marching band drum corp at the start line. A military brass band in a truck playing as they were driven down the race course. People running the wrong way down the route to find their buddies (at the beginning). Several people started doing like a side skip, I’m guessing because of cramping. It was weird though. Everyone politely stopped to gently place their used water bottles on the curb…in a country that has a regular culture of just random littering all the time.

I will add…Egyptian porta potties…three word horror story. I will dehydrate to my last molecule before I do that again.

I intended to use this as a threshold test, since my last one was in 2020 (oops!). It went really well in terms of a test. By the time I’d gotten through the warm-up 15’, the crowd had thinned a bit and I had space to really lower the hammer. I forgot to turn off auto lap on my watch though, so I have to do some math to figure out new threshold numbers. It doesn’t look like it changed much though just from a brief glance at the data. When I finished the 30’ hard bit of the threshold test I realized I was ahead of pace for a PR, so instead of the slow jog home I had planned, I went for it. Ended up with the new PR by 3:53…it felt great!!

Home by 9:15…is this why people like stand alone run races? I have no idea what to do with myself now!! Right now I’m drinking coffee with my feet up. Ankle held up well through the race to the 5 mile mark, but then got a little burny…resting today feels right.


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Oh…and post race food was dates (a natural laxitive!).
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Congrats on the PR Gretchen!

Sounds like a fun race. I like the drums and the brass band! Makes for a great atmosphere.

We do that over here too, the organized group warm up that is, not the horror porta potties... Sometimes we have live music too.




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2:30 on the bike, followed by 1600yds in the pool. All done by 7:30am due to commitments today…yeah, that math sucked!
2023-03-12 4:07 AM
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2:30 on the bike, followed by 1600yds in the pool. All done by 7:30am due to commitments today…yeah, that math sucked!


Crazy!
2023-03-12 4:34 AM
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60' Z2 run followed by 2250yds in the pool--plus a little swimming around to find/collect my pull buoy and paddles after they blew off the deck and into the water. It was like OWS out there today, there was a headwind in the pool!!


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No run today as my running mate wanted to go cross-country skiing instead. I am useless at that, I think I can walk faster than I ski but it was quite nice.
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Congratulations on the PB Gretchen. That's a huge number over 10km.

I love how you're getting accepting of Egypt "the air quality was good, Apart from where they're burning tires" Haha.

We also have guided pre run 'warmups' at stand alone runs. Mainly to let whichever gym is a sponsor get some exposure I think. I've always thought they were stupid. If you usually warm up pre run, you should do your normal warmup. If you don't usually warm up, then the 'nothing new on race day' rule says you probably shouldn't. Some random jumping jacks and stretches that you never do before a high effort race always seems like a good way to give yourself an injury to me.
2023-03-12 5:10 PM
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2 zwift bikes, 2 hours total
4 runs, 3 hours total
2 days swinging a hammer building a new ramp for the deck at home over the weeknd.

Productive week. Construction work is harder on my body than running, and evening spas are awesome. At 5 hours total it's the biggest week for 8 weeks, and my Monday morning weigh in was the smallest number since January. So the although there is much to be done the numbers are all heading in the right direction again, feeling back on track a bit.

Had a planning committee meeting with Mrs Bullfrog last night. Bad ideas have been given conditional approval, Ironman NZ 2024 entry was completed this morning, accommodation has been booked, 354 training days to go. Sh1t is now real.

The approval conditions are
1. That I continue to lose weight, which I need to do. My previous Ironmans have been at over 265lbs. This time I need to be in the 200-220 range or the pin will be pulled on me.
2. No midnight finish. Apparently its to stressful for the spectators. So I've got to work hard enough that I'm expecting a 13-15 hour Ironman, not a 16:45 one.

What now?

20 weeks of 'pre training plan base building'
19 week 80:20 training plan for Taupo 70.3 on 9 December (19 weeks does my OCD head in, but that's what the book has)
Final 12 weeks of 80:20 training plan for Ironman NZ, 2 March 2024.
2023-03-13 1:13 AM
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Congratulations on the PB Gretchen. That's a huge number over 10km.

I love how you're getting accepting of Egypt "the air quality was good, Apart from where they're burning tires" Haha.

We also have guided pre run 'warmups' at stand alone runs. Mainly to let whichever gym is a sponsor get some exposure I think. I've always thought they were stupid. If you usually warm up pre run, you should do your normal warmup. If you don't usually warm up, then the 'nothing new on race day' rule says you probably shouldn't. Some random jumping jacks and stretches that you never do before a high effort race always seems like a good way to give yourself an injury to me.


I did think about the injury aspect of the high-impact warmup they jumped into. It was 0-60 in nothing flat! And to top it off, the athletes were on the grass in a (poorly maintained) park, so there was a lot of unevenness to step into and hurt yourself.
2023-03-13 1:15 AM
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2 zwift bikes, 2 hours total
4 runs, 3 hours total
2 days swinging a hammer building a new ramp for the deck at home over the weeknd.

Productive week. Construction work is harder on my body than running, and evening spas are awesome. At 5 hours total it's the biggest week for 8 weeks, and my Monday morning weigh in was the smallest number since January. So the although there is much to be done the numbers are all heading in the right direction again, feeling back on track a bit.

Had a planning committee meeting with Mrs Bullfrog last night. Bad ideas have been given conditional approval, Ironman NZ 2024 entry was completed this morning, accommodation has been booked, 354 training days to go. Sh1t is now real.

The approval conditions are
1. That I continue to lose weight, which I need to do. My previous Ironmans have been at over 265lbs. This time I need to be in the 200-220 range or the pin will be pulled on me.
2. No midnight finish. Apparently its to stressful for the spectators. So I've got to work hard enough that I'm expecting a 13-15 hour Ironman, not a 16:45 one.

What now?

20 weeks of 'pre training plan base building'
19 week 80:20 training plan for Taupo 70.3 on 9 December (19 weeks does my OCD head in, but that's what the book has)
Final 12 weeks of 80:20 training plan for Ironman NZ, 2 March 2024.


Awesome news Andrew!!

I find that construction work is way harder than training too!! I think it is the duration. Rarely do I train for 10+ hours in a day, especially not consecutive days, but I'll commonly go out and work for 10+ hours on a project multiple days in a row (sometimes after training). Cumulative fatigue.


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Light day here for me. Just a 45' strength training session and 1500yds in the pool. I finally had my first swimming buddy in the pool!! She got in the pool when I took off on a 25 and by the time I had finished it, she was getting out...pool was too cold for her. :D I will admit, the wind was a bit brisk today, giving the pool a chill, but it wasn't cold by any stretch of the imagination. The chop on the surface was no joke though!
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Light day here for me. Just a 45' strength training session and 1500yds in the pool. I finally had my first swimming buddy in the pool!! She got in the pool when I took off on a 25 and by the time I had finished it, she was getting out...pool was too cold for her. :D I will admit, the wind was a bit brisk today, giving the pool a chill, but it wasn't cold by any stretch of the imagination. The chop on the surface was no joke though!


do you mean you normally have the pool to yourself?
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Had a planning committee meeting with Mrs Bullfrog last night. Bad ideas have been given conditional approval, Ironman NZ 2024 entry was completed this morning, accommodation has been booked, 354 training days to go. Sh1t is now real.

The approval conditions are
1. That I continue to lose weight, which I need to do. My previous Ironmans have been at over 265lbs. This time I need to be in the 200-220 range or the pin will be pulled on me.
2. No midnight finish. Apparently its to stressful for the spectators. So I've got to work hard enough that I'm expecting a 13-15 hour Ironman, not a 16:45 one.

What now?

20 weeks of 'pre training plan base building'
19 week 80:20 training plan for Taupo 70.3 on 9 December (19 weeks does my OCD head in, but that's what the book has)
Final 12 weeks of 80:20 training plan for Ironman NZ, 2 March 2024.


Sounds like a plan!

Not only did your bad idea got approved but the commitee wants you to do well and kick arse (lame excuse that a midnight finish is too stressful, she knows you have it in you and wants you to show it)



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Originally posted by drfoodlove

Light day here for me. Just a 45' strength training session and 1500yds in the pool. I finally had my first swimming buddy in the pool!! She got in the pool when I took off on a 25 and by the time I had finished it, she was getting out...pool was too cold for her. :D I will admit, the wind was a bit brisk today, giving the pool a chill, but it wasn't cold by any stretch of the imagination. The chop on the surface was no joke though!


do you mean you normally have the pool to yourself?


Yes, I normally have the pool to myself. Since I arrived in Egypt I think I had company in the pool a grand total of four times, but all at the other pool I used before I moved. Three children, one douchy dude who wanted to race (that went as it usually does...he could not swim a lick!).
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