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 2007-10-09 9:25 PM in reply to: #984894 |
Master  2339    somewhere over the rainbow |  Subject: RE: Poison Apples Team Threadalso going to add, that i added one pitiful little mile on to my total. i was going to try for 6. that was the goal. i was on a treadmill. need i say more? i was on a treadmill, and i have three kids. |
| 2007-10-09 9:30 PM in reply to: #984894 |
Master 2339 somewhere over the rainbow | Subject: RE: Poison Apples Team Thread i AM still here (at my parents house where the dreamill is) maybe i'll try to do another one before i leave, then at least i could log TWO pitiful miles today |
| 2007-10-09 9:36 PM in reply to: #999907 |
Veteran 131 Tampa, Florida | Subject: RE: Poison Apples Team Thread lyssa-gator - 2007-10-09 9:25 PM also going to add, that i added one pitiful little mile on to my total. i was going to try for 6. that was the goal. i was on a treadmill. need i say more? i was on a treadmill, and i have three kids. no need to elaborate...I don't even have kids, but working out from home seems impossible!!! Too many distractions...I have this fancy stationary bike that works really well as a place to hang clothes after the dryer and before the closet.... EVERY STINKING MILE COUNTS!!! So I still feel crappy with the hayfever/snot situation, but I'm feeling much better about myself. I think everyone thought I was going to flake out....HAH! Not going to happen!!! Also I went and put some money on my bike, only a couple hundred more and I can bring her home.....Sooooo excited about that! I hate the stationary bike. Doesn't matter if it's mine, the gym's, spin class...it's just not the same. I am not going to run tomorrow. I may not run the day after that either. My knees are starting to protest. I think my enthusiasm is outpacing my weightloss. Any other newbies having issues like this? I'm overweight, but aerobically, I'm not having a hard time. I don't want to give up and just walk or do the eliptical, but seriously, the weight is just not coming off fast enough. How do you know if you are really in danger of injuring yourself or just sore when you're still new to all this? |
| 2007-10-09 9:55 PM in reply to: #999932 |
Champion 23360  Taser-World | Subject: RE: Poison Apples Team Thread jessicacrouchrt - 2007-10-09 10:36 PM I am not going to run tomorrow. I may not run the day after that either. My knees are starting to protest. I think my enthusiasm is outpacing my weightloss. Any other newbies having issues like this? I'm overweight, but aerobically, I'm not having a hard time. I don't want to give up and just walk or do the eliptical, but seriously, the weight is just not coming off fast enough. How do you know if you are really in danger of injuring yourself or just sore when you're still new to all this? Congrats on "about to get the new bike"! You'll have to let us know when you get it home. Post a picture, too. My knees are the reason that my Run Challenge goal is so low. I'm always worried about hurting them. I can push myself on the swim and the bike. But NOT the run.... It's like you said, it's not an aerobic issue. It's a knee issue. So I need to be really careful. Because if I hurt them, well, it takes a long time for them to recover. I'm not sure how to tell if you're in danger of injuring yourself, or if you're sore. (For me, if it hurts under/around the knee cap, that's a bad sign. But if it's just an aching muscle, I figure that's soreness. But I don't know it it's the same for you. And I'm not a medical doctor, so I won't even try to guess!  ) There is an Injury Forum on this site though. Maybe post a question asking about soreness vs injury. The weight. Well, think of it this way. To lose one single pound, you need to burn 3,600 Calories !!! That translates to a LOT of working out, unfortunately. Dee |
| 2007-10-09 10:06 PM in reply to: #999972 |
Champion 26509 Sydney | Subject: RE: Poison Apples Team Thread D001 - 2007-10-10 12:55 PM jessicacrouchrt - 2007-10-09 10:36 PM I am not going to run tomorrow. I may not run the day after that either. My knees are starting to protest. I think my enthusiasm is outpacing my weightloss. Any other newbies having issues like this? I'm overweight, but aerobically, I'm not having a hard time. I don't want to give up and just walk or do the eliptical, but seriously, the weight is just not coming off fast enough. How do you know if you are really in danger of injuring yourself or just sore when you're still new to all this? Congrats on "about to get the new bike"! You'll have to let us know when you get it home. Post a picture, too. My knees are the reason that my Run Challenge goal is so low. I'm always worried about hurting them. I can push myself on the swim and the bike. But NOT the run.... It's like you said, it's not an aerobic issue. It's a knee issue. So I need to be really careful. Because if I hurt them, well, it takes a long time for them to recover. I'm not sure how to tell if you're in danger of injuring yourself, or if you're sore. (For me, if it hurts under/around the knee cap, that's a bad sign. But if it's just an aching muscle, I figure that's soreness. But I don't know it it's the same for you. And I'm not a medical doctor, so I won't even try to guess! ) There is an Injury Forum on this site though. Maybe post a question asking about soreness vs injury. The weight. Well, think of it this way. To lose one single pound, you need to burn 3,600 Calories !!! That translates to a LOT of working out, unfortunately. Dee Knees are a BIG deal... be careful with them and when in doubt see someone as they are NOT something that you want being a long term problem.... I may have knee issues but the one thing they have said to me is I did the right thing by catching it early... if the problem persists for more than 48 hours without signs of improvement you definatley need to see someone... Especially if the pain returns as soon as you start running again! |
| 2007-10-10 12:26 AM in reply to: #984894 |
Expert 973 Berkeley, Calif. | Subject: RE: Poison Apples Team Thread Re: knees. Shortly after I started running regularly, about a year ago, my left knee started to act up. It'd be OK during the run, but achy right in the joint afterwards, below the kneecap if I remember correctly. I was ready to go to the doctor, but on the advice of a friend I went shoe-shopping instead -- for quality running shoes. I went to a speciatly store that watched me walk and run and did some weird measurements on my feet and let me practice running in the shoes before I bought them. The shoes made all the difference! My knee problem disappeared immediately. (For the record, at the time I was probably about 30 pounds overweight, and running on shoes that were several years old and cost maybe $30.) I'm not at all saying that your situation is the same, Jessica (the liability! I'm no doctor!), and for all I know you have great shoes. But if you're running on old, cheapy shoes like I was, it might be something to consider. (I balked at first at spending more than $100 on a pair of running shoes, but a marathoner friend of mine pointed out that running's a pretty cheap sport and shoes are really the only "equipment" that you need, so it's worth spending the money to protect yourself.) |
| 2007-10-10 12:37 AM in reply to: #1000127 |
Champion 26509 Sydney | Subject: RE: Poison Apples Team Thread Fielding - 2007-10-10 3:26 PM Re: knees. Shortly after I started running regularly, about a year ago, my left knee started to act up. It'd be OK during the run, but achy right in the joint afterwards, below the kneecap if I remember correctly. I was ready to go to the doctor, but on the advice of a friend I went shoe-shopping instead -- for quality running shoes. I went to a speciatly store that watched me walk and run and did some weird measurements on my feet and let me practice running in the shoes before I bought them. The shoes made all the difference! My knee problem disappeared immediately. (For the record, at the time I was probably about 30 pounds overweight, and running on shoes that were several years old and cost maybe $30.) I'm not at all saying that your situation is the same, Jessica (the liability! I'm no doctor!), and for all I know you have great shoes. But if you're running on old, cheapy shoes like I was, it might be something to consider. (I balked at first at spending more than $100 on a pair of running shoes, but a marathoner friend of mine pointed out that running's a pretty cheap sport and shoes are really the only "equipment" that you need, so it's worth spending the money to protect yourself.) I second this... and make sure you replace your shoes regularly after yuo have been properly fitted. Its advisable to have two pairs of shoes you rotate if its at all possible! |
| 2007-10-10 9:40 AM in reply to: #999932 |
Champion 23360 Taser-World | Subject: RE: Poison Apples Team Thread jessicacrouchrt - 2007-10-09 10:36 PM I don't want to give up and just walk or do the eliptical, but seriously, the weight is just not coming off fast enough. Found a page with some numbers. This will give you an idea how many Calories you burn for every 10 min of activity. Calories - Burn more than you consume to lose weight http://www.lowfatlifestyle.com/calories.htm I'd thought that one pound was 3,600 Calories. But this page says it's 3,500 Calories per pound. From the chart, it was interesting to me that walking at 4 mph burns more calories per minute than cycling at 5.5 mph or than swimming. Hm! Dee Edited by D001 2007-10-10 9:41 AM |
| 2007-10-10 11:20 AM in reply to: #984894 |
Elite 5316 Alturas, California | Subject: RE: Poison Apples Team Thread So to lose 1 pound from jogging 5.5 mph you need to go 35.65 miles or 6.5 hours Biking at 13 mph 85.20 miles 6.55 hours Swiming 14.6 hours Running 7 mph 34.60 miles 4.94 hours This of course does not take into account raised motabolism for 4 ish hours after exercizing or the fact that you get some free carb burning from consuming them within 4 hours of exercizing. 4.5 miles lastnight down 25 pounds since 8/14/07 to 155. My daily callorie intake is roughly 800 to 1200, depending on what my wife cooks for dinner. My goal is 140-145 or 10 percent body fat whichever comes first. It is noteworthy that 1 pizza day or 1 birthday cake day will tend to chuck all gains due to exercize for the week as far as weight loss for me goes. However, you do not gain weight from the bing, you just dont lose any weight. The increased muscle to fat ratio allows your system to burn it up... just not make headway. Again this is all me stuff not like out of a book or anything. Put on those jeans I hadn't worn in 6 years last weekend... they fit now. Work clothes getting a bit looser. Total run since 8/14/07 is 76 miles, Biked 303 and weight lifting 13.75 hours. By this calculation I should have lost 9 pounds from exercize. So raised motabolism probly counts for as much as the actual exercize for an extra 9 and control of simple sugars for an additional 7. Doubling the callories burned to account for raised motabolism is easiest calcluation and by all means if you are gona cheat on your diet do it within 4 hours after you run/exercize. Note this is not an excuse to eat a pound of icecream after only burning 540 callories running. It is a slight savings. And please no more smack to our own team mates unless you know each other. Smack talk is supposed to be for the other teams. If you want to talk smack with me, make it functional as in lets see who is the first person on the team to 50 % of goal or I will beat you to 75 % or some such non-personal attack about physical attributes etc. In my exepriency calling someone a whining crybaby may well be motivating... but is likely to have more negative than positive come out as an end result. You may well get an increase in output, but you have destroyed or damaged the relationship. Someone will always work harder for a coach/boss they respect than for one who browbeats and name calls and belittles them. If anyone wants to race me to 75 percent of goal, go for it. Edited by Baowolf 2007-10-10 11:22 AM |
| 2007-10-10 11:36 AM in reply to: #1000733 |
Champion 23360 Taser-World | Subject: RE: Poison Apples Team Thread One thing I've wondered about with these "calories burned" tables is how whether they've taken "effort" into consideration. For example: "Jack" and "Joe" are are the same age, and same weight. They each swim one mile, in the same amount of time. Jack has great technique. His heart rate remains low, etc. Joe, on the other hand, struggles. His heart rate goes up, he breathes hard, etc. So did they both burn the same number of calories? They did the same distance, in the same amount of time. Or did Jack's efficiency mean he expended less effort, and therefore burned few calories? Dee |
| 2007-10-10 11:46 AM in reply to: #1000733 |
Champion 23360 Taser-World | Subject: RE: Poison Apples Team Thread Re being the first person on the team to achieve a certain goal percentage: Have fun with it. Competition is a great motivator. However, I won't be "competing." I selected my goal for a reason. I am trying to gradually increase speed/distance while avoiding injury. Therefore, I prefer to stick to my "plan." Should I reach 100% of my goal before the month is out, I'll simply request to "up" the goal to a higher mileage. That's one of the great things about this challenge - if you do exceed your goal, you can just set a new (higher) goal. (Cat said that if we decide to raise our goal, we can just post it here and ask Stacie to change the number on our team's spreadsheet.) Dee |
| 2007-10-10 12:14 PM in reply to: #984894 |
Veteran 228 Greenbelt, MD | Subject: RE: Poison Apples Team Thread Well I decided to play hookie from work today. I don't have much to do and the internet is so slow (I work at an Air Force base for an organization that is supposed to be one of the premier groups in the AF...you'd think we could have an internet connection that is better than the dialup I had a few years ago...but NOOOooooo) so decided I needed a day to chill. This gave me a chance to get out before the super heat of the day, so I took the opportunity to walk a little longer than normal. Did 2.76 miles. I even tried a little running (all of 30 seconds) to prepare for next week's whopping 2 minutes of running. Alright, way to go fellow apples. We need to win this, or at least not lose. Trust me, unless the penalty is feet, you don't want to have to look at my lower half for a month! And I don't own any lycra (yet)! |
| 2007-10-10 12:43 PM in reply to: #984894 |
Elite 5316 Alturas, California | Subject: RE: Poison Apples Team Thread As far as effort goes with callories burned, it was intersting to me doing the math that ... distance is kind of the great equalizier and that time spent or rate of speed mattered less. To burn 1 pound ya gona run 35 miles at 5.5, 3.0 or 7.0 mph (give or take like 1 mile). Granted if you go slower you are gona take longer, but acording to that chart... effort plays less into the game than total distance. Again no diet/exercize weight loss guru here. For me, my metabolism is so low that it is amazing I can do anything short of cutting off a limb to lose weight. At one point I was playing raquetball 3x a week for a total of 6 hours, jogging 2 miles a week and lifting 3x a week for 45 min for like 5 weeks and didnt lose a single pounds, while eating 1200 calories. It turns out that if i would have kept that up for another 2 weeks I probably would have started noticing a change, but real life occured. This is my 9th week of doing something rather than nothing and well the first week was secetchy but, the combination of some lifting and 6 ish hours of arobic exercize a week is working. And unlike the low carb diets... I don't expect to bounce back to my original weight once I start coasting. Anyway back to work and my rabbit food. (There, some line breaks.) |
| 2007-10-10 1:00 PM in reply to: #984894 |
Veteran 288 Owings, MD | Subject: RE: Poison Apples Team Thread Hi fellow Poison Apples, I was able to get in a run/walk of 3.14 miles at lunch. Wasn't really feeling it today, so I walked more than I wanted to. Walk tomorrow and then a 4 mile run/walk on Saturday planned for the rest of the week. Keep up the good work everyone! |
| 2007-10-10 1:22 PM in reply to: #1000733 |
Expert 1580 Ankeny, Iowa | Subject: RE: Poison Apples Team Thread Baowolf - 2007-10-10 11:20 AM So to lose 1 pound from jogging 5.5 mph you need to go 35.65 miles or 6.5 hours Biking at 13 mph 85.20 miles 6.55 hours Swiming 14.6 hours Running 7 mph 34.60 miles 4.94 hours This of course does not take into account raised motabolism for 4 ish hours after exercizing or the fact that you get some free carb burning from consuming them within 4 hours of exercizing. 4.5 miles lastnight down 25 pounds since 8/14/07 to 155. My daily callorie intake is roughly 800 to 1200, depending on what my wife cooks for dinner. My goal is 140-145 or 10 percent body fat whichever comes first. It is noteworthy that 1 pizza day or 1 birthday cake day will tend to chuck all gains due to exercize for the week as far as weight loss for me goes. However, you do not gain weight from the bing, you just dont lose any weight. The increased muscle to fat ratio allows your system to burn it up... just not make headway. Again this is all me stuff not like out of a book or anything. Put on those jeans I hadn't worn in 6 years last weekend... they fit now. Work clothes getting a bit looser. Total run since 8/14/07 is 76 miles, Biked 303 and weight lifting 13.75 hours. By this calculation I should have lost 9 pounds from exercize. So raised motabolism probly counts for as much as the actual exercize for an extra 9 and control of simple sugars for an additional 7. Doubling the callories burned to account for raised motabolism is easiest calcluation and by all means if you are gona cheat on your diet do it within 4 hours after you run/exercize. Note this is not an excuse to eat a pound of icecream after only burning 540 callories running. It is a slight savings. And please no more smack to our own team mates unless you know each other. Smack talk is supposed to be for the other teams. If you want to talk smack with me, make it functional as in lets see who is the first person on the team to 50 % of goal or I will beat you to 75 % or some such non-personal attack about physical attributes etc. In my exepriency calling someone a whining crybaby may well be motivating... but is likely to have more negative than positive come out as an end result. You may well get an increase in output, but you have destroyed or damaged the relationship. Someone will always work harder for a coach/boss they respect than for one who browbeats and name calls and belittles them. If anyone wants to race me to 75 percent of goal, go for it. Did I read this correct Baowolf - that you only eat 800-1200 calories a day? I have always been told that 1200 calories was the minimum anyone should eat since below that your body thinks that it is starving itself? With all the running/biking/walking etc I would think you would need a lot more than that. I am a 5'7" 144 lb woman and I eat between 1600-1700 calories a day when I am working out and even though I have been stuck this last week due to not the best choices have been dropping the weight. Make sure you do it the healthy way please is all I am saying - not criticizing.
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| 2007-10-10 1:31 PM in reply to: #1000733 |
Expert 973 Berkeley, Calif. | Subject: RE: Poison Apples Team Thread Baowolf - 2007-10-10 9:20 AM 4.5 miles lastnight down 25 pounds since 8/14/07 to 155. Wow! You've lost 25 pounds since mid-August! That's amazing. I'm generally very pleased with myself if I lose about a pound a week (4-5 pounds a month). Any more than that and my body is not happy with me, so I'm impressed with what you've managed. Although yeah, I agree with Stacie that 800-1200 calories a day does not seem like nearly enough. I'm a 5-8, 165-pound woman (so close to being BMI "normal", heh) and I eat about 1600-1800 calories a day, and some days I'm starving! I'm glad you guys brought up the calorie intake thing, because I've been wondering about other folks here. In the past couple months I've amped up my workouts quite a bit, so it makes sense that I'd be craving more calories, but even when I eat a lot more I still feel really, really hungry sometimes. From what I've read it sounds like I could use more protein? Maybe? What do you guys eat that's healthy when you're really hungry and want a snack to tide you over? I usually eat some trail mix with lots of nuts, or maybe a powerbar-type thing if I have one handy, but I'm getting kind of sick of the same stuff. |
| 2007-10-10 2:27 PM in reply to: #984894 |
Elite 5316 Alturas, California | Subject: RE: Poison Apples Team Thread Baowolf's daily menue: Breakfast: Cheeze stick (80 cal) or no sugar added instant breakfast /milk 12 oz (? 210) Lunch: Salad with random meat chicken, steak, ham (whatever was left over from lastnight) and 1 table spoon of low carb ranch dressing (200-300 ish calls). Dinner: random meat, random vegies, diet drink or milk depending on breakfast (500 cal +/-), once or twice a week splurg with a roll or some other bread product. Snacks: after dinner: cheeze (80 cal) or nuts (?) 1 handfull. Other snacks I dont have are: 80 cal diet icecream sandwhich, diet icecream, jello, diet fudgsicles (80 cal), diet puddings, there are some yogerts, but most are really sugary and high cal.. If I have worked out recently... I will splurge on an apple or granola bar. On Saturday: 20+ mile bike ride I eat 1 cheeze stick, granola bar or apple per 45 min of riding and 20 oz of water per hour. (ya its low calory wize but I'm still working on this part and I do alright.) Once per two weeks: dinner = pizza and well I'll know im gona have to pay for it for 3 days. I know that once I reach 145 pounds or 10 percent body fat I will need to up the calories. (not recomending this diet to anyone just a what I eat thing). |
| 2007-10-10 3:09 PM in reply to: #984894 |
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| 2007-10-10 4:39 PM in reply to: #1000839 |
Champion 23360 Taser-World | Subject: RE: Poison Apples Team Thread AmbulanceDriver - 2007-10-10 1:14 PM Did 2.76 miles. I even tried a little running (all of 30 seconds) to prepare for next week's whopping 2 minutes of running. 2.76 miles - WAY TO GO! I, also, saw some of the ART discussion on the forum. I thought it sounded interesting. I agree, I can deal with a muscle problem better than a joint problem. You'll have to let us know what they say when you go for the visit in January. Dee |
| 2007-10-10 4:43 PM in reply to: #1000943 |
Champion 23360 Taser-World | Subject: RE: Poison Apples Team Thread klgray - 2007-10-10 2:00 PM I was able to get in a run/walk of 3.14 miles at lunch. Wasn't really feeling it today, so I walked more than I wanted to. Walk tomorrow and then a 4 mile run/walk on Saturday planned for the rest of the week. Well, you went out and did it - even if you didn't feel like doing it. So hooray! I was the same way in the pool today. I just didn't feel like being there. But I did it anyway. Unfortunately, I lost count of my laps somewhere along the way. :P (Penalty for losing count is to use the lowest possible lap count. I couldn't remember if I had gone 1100 or 1000 yds. So I put down the lower number in my training log.) And now, I'm back at work until 10 PM tonight. *sigh* |
| 2007-10-10 4:48 PM in reply to: #1001397 |
Champion 23360 Taser-World | Subject: RE: Poison Apples Team Thread kns57 - 2007-10-10 4:09 PM 2.1 miles today. On track! Go Poison Apples! Wow, everyone is piling the mileage on today! Way to go! (Well, except me. It's not a planned run day for me today. But I did take a short break from work to do some pool time.) |
| 2007-10-10 4:50 PM in reply to: #1001261 |
Expert 1580 Ankeny, Iowa | Subject: RE: Poison Apples Team Thread Baowolf - 2007-10-10 2:27 PM Baowolf's daily menue: Breakfast: Cheeze stick (80 cal) or no sugar added instant breakfast /milk 12 oz (? 210) Lunch: Salad with random meat chicken, steak, ham (whatever was left over from lastnight) and 1 table spoon of low carb ranch dressing (200-300 ish calls). Dinner: random meat, random vegies, diet drink or milk depending on breakfast (500 cal +/-), once or twice a week splurg with a roll or some other bread product. Snacks: after dinner: cheeze (80 cal) or nuts (?) 1 handfull. Other snacks I dont have are: 80 cal diet icecream sandwhich, diet icecream, jello, diet fudgsicles (80 cal), diet puddings, there are some yogerts, but most are really sugary and high cal.. If I have worked out recently... I will splurge on an apple or granola bar. On Saturday: 20+ mile bike ride I eat 1 cheeze stick, granola bar or apple per 45 min of riding and 20 oz of water per hour. (ya its low calory wize but I'm still working on this part and I do alright.) Once per two weeks: dinner = pizza and well I'll know im gona have to pay for it for 3 days. I know that once I reach 145 pounds or 10 percent body fat I will need to up the calories. (not recomending this diet to anyone just a what I eat thing). Not criticizing but that isn't enough to eat I don't think - yeah you are losing weight but it isn't a healthy way to do that. I know it seems counter productive but you need to eat for what you are doing. I am not sure how you have enough energy to do what you do but like I said not criticizing. Sometimes weight loss will come faster if you eat a little bit more. Again not an expert but that just isn't enough to be eating. Stacie |
| 2007-10-10 5:18 PM in reply to: #1001658 |
Expert 973 Berkeley, Calif. | Subject: RE: Poison Apples Team Thread D001 - 2007-10-10 2:48 PM Wow, everyone is piling the mileage on today! Way to go! I know! I'm already feeling a little guilty that today isn't a run day for me. But I'll be back at the pool tonight (and you know how much I love that, ugh). |
| 2007-10-10 6:30 PM in reply to: #984894 |
Master 2339 somewhere over the rainbow | Subject: RE: Poison Apples Team Thread i went so totally large just now!! i ran for OVER AN HOUR!!! total of 6.3 for today, which takes me up to a grand total of 23.5 for the month!! eat my dust jason!!! > beowolf. race ya to %75 |
| 2007-10-10 6:35 PM in reply to: #1001035 |
Champion 26509 Sydney | Subject: RE: Poison Apples Team Thread dimplespoo - 2007-10-11 4:22 AM Did I read this correct Baowolf - that you only eat 800-1200 calories a day? I have always been told that 1200 calories was the minimum anyone should eat since below that your body thinks that it is starving itself? With all the running/biking/walking etc I would think you would need a lot more than that. I am a 5'7" 144 lb woman and I eat between 1600-1700 calories a day when I am working out and even though I have been stuck this last week due to not the best choices have been dropping the weight. Make sure you do it the healthy way please is all I am saying - not criticizing.
Hey, Can I second the too low comment? For a female who is exercising most comments seem to be 1500-1800 calories is the LOWEST she should go... (1200 is more for sedentary people) As a guy your limits would be higher... most of your diet is very clean but low on carbs. You might also find you loose weight faster (I have learnt this the hard way on more than one occasion) by eating a bit more so your body is not inclined to hold on to all the nutrients it can get... one really good way to get a few extra calories without gaining weight is concentrating on recovery nutrition after your workouts for any session over 60-90 minutes in length... a smoothie is always good Not criticising either... if it works for you and you are loosing weight AND you are healthy etc (a blood test to check your nutrient levels is a good way to test this!) and able to train strongly with short recovery and no lingering pains its a pretty good indication! 10% body fat is VERY low too... having said all this every individual is different.. just remember health first Best of Luck... loosing weight is hard... Im still trying to do that too! Cat Disclaimer: I am NOT an expert... just passing on info I have read and lessons I have learnt from my own experiences... it may or may not help you! |
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