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Thanks all for the well wishes this weekend!!!!! 

My bib # is 371 - Robin Gray.

Had a good swim today - 2000 yd straight swim (first one in training as I hate straight swims!) in just over 30 minutes. Trisuit felt great - short run tomorrow then an overnight flight getting in mid day Thursday (12 hours or so on planes/airports - uggh!)

Good luck to everyone else racing this weekend! 

 



2013-05-14 9:22 PM
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Has anyone been keeping up w/ the Tour of California?  Yesterday's finish at the top of the tram in Palm Springs was crazy - 114 degrees for a high - crazy.  I won't complain about 80/90 degree weather in FL (or the fact that snow flurries are falling here in AK!)

I have a compact 11-28 crank  - and use all of the gears.  Though there are no flats here and my leg strength isn't as great as most of you.  Hubby wanted to keep me happy on the hills (mountains). I will say it probably isn't as smooth as smaller cranks.

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kenj - 2013-05-14 11:32 AM

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Nice ride Kathleen and Carla.  You bring up the new cassette and I've seen some comments on that in other groups, but never really understand it.  What is the advantage or disadvantages of different cassettes?

Thanks, Todd

 

A bigger rear cassette can make climbing a little easier, by keeping your cadence a little higher and transfering power more efficiently to the road when the grade gets steep.  Especially, if you have a standard front chainring.  It really depends where you ride.  Here in Illinois I never leave the big chain ring of my standard and run an 11-26 cassette.  That works out just fine.  But in the mountains I leave the top chain ring plenty, and would have benefitted from an extra low gear of an 11-28.  A compact front ringset would have been better too. 

Good explanation Brian, I will add the following.  I had the conversation around gear choice with my coach Sunday.  I run a compact on the front.  A compact means the gears on the front have fewer teeth so it is an added benefit for climbing.  We decided to go with the 11-23, even thought the course is hilly for Florida, I still think I have plenty.  It is the gearing I use the last 3 training rides that had about 2600 feet of climbing over 55 miles. 

Although it is more important to have plenty of gearing for the ride or race you are doing, there is some benefit to a tighter gear pattern.  That benefit is smoother shifting since the jumps aren't as big.



I agree with Ken - I have 11-28 with compact cranks. I do occasionally wish I have a 11-30, only because some hills are extremely steep (like my favorite - DJ's Leg Busters...named after me. lol!), and some of the longer hills - Mt. Potosi, I could really use more teeth in the rear in order to spin easier, BUT - the big disadvantage is the teeth pattern aren't as tight in the upper ranges and does give a big jump. For MY case and knowing that I'm almost always riding on hills, a 11-28 make sense than a 11-23 (which is what I started with). The disadvantages is noticeable is the jumps between 28-24-21. A 28 would feel too easy, and I have too high of a cadence, while a 24 is just a little too hard on my legs and much lower cadence, so a 25 or 26 would be better. I rarely use 13-14-15, and I wish I can have the gears to be 11-13-15-17-19-21-23-25-27-28. That'll serve me well. :D

I wish I can mish mash with some of the upper gears and remove the smaller gears.

Or heck - I can invest in getting a Triple crank/components and DANG, I'll have more choices than ever imaginable! :D I'm strong descender, but I've had a few people literally have an easier time going downhill because they're on a double (54/39 vs 50/34).
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trei - 2013-05-14 2:00 PM

Good luck on your HIM Ken and Robin!

And nice sprint result, Becky!  I have a sprint coming up next month and I was wondering whether to do the long training ride the day prior as scheduled.  Now I guess I'll have to.  The gauntlet has been thrown down.

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Ha! Yes, Todd, you can do it! For me, I figured that the sprint tri was a C race, and the important thing was to get my long ride in since that is prepping me for my A race. And it all worked out! Good luck!
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robingray_260 - 2013-05-14 10:15 PM

Thanks all for the well wishes this weekend!!!!! 

My bib # is 371 - Robin Gray.

Had a good swim today - 2000 yd straight swim (first one in training as I hate straight swims!) in just over 30 minutes. Trisuit felt great - short run tomorrow then an overnight flight getting in mid day Thursday (12 hours or so on planes/airports - uggh!)

Good luck to everyone else racing this weekend! 

 



Best of luck, Robin! I've heard really great things about the race, you're going to do great! Can't wait to hear about it.
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Brian, Ken and D.J.  - Thanks for the cassette explanation.  I believe I just have a standard 11-23, but I will check tonight.  Not many hills in Wisconsin, so should be fine for my purposes.

Going to ride my bike to work tomorrow for ride to work week!

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trei - 2013-05-15 10:58 AM

Brian, Ken and D.J.  - Thanks for the cassette explanation.  I believe I just have a standard 11-23, but I will check tonight.  Not many hills in Wisconsin, so should be fine for my purposes.

Going to ride my bike to work tomorrow for ride to work week!

-Todd

 

hoooooooold on there Todd!   Not many hills in WI???  Madison is one of the toughest elevation courses in IM and there's some areas of WI, like Blue Mounds for one, that are right up there with some of the Western States as far as elevation gain.  It's just a different type of elevation gain.  You can put together routes with lots of short/steep grades as opposed to out west, where most roads are long gradual ascents.  Not to mention some of the crazy MTB courses you have up there!  Don't underestimate your area.  There are plenty of hills.  I think even some of the stronger riders would prefer a compact crankset and/or 11-26 or 11-28 rear cassette up there in WI 

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trei - 2013-05-15 10:58 AM

Brian, Ken and D.J.  - Thanks for the cassette explanation.  I believe I just have a standard 11-23, but I will check tonight.  Not many hills in Wisconsin, so should be fine for my purposes.

Going to ride my bike to work tomorrow for ride to work week!

-Todd

 

hoooooooold on there Todd!   Not many hills in WI???  Madison is one of the toughest elevation courses in IM and there's some areas of WI, like Blue Mounds for one, that are right up there with some of the Western States as far as elevation gain.  It's just a different type of elevation gain.  You can put together routes with lots of short/steep grades as opposed to out west, where most roads are long gradual ascents.  Not to mention some of the crazy MTB courses you have up there!  Don't underestimate your area.  There are plenty of hills.  I think even some of the stronger riders would prefer a compact crankset and/or 11-26 or 11-28 rear cassette up there in WI 



I agree! Just today I was thinking I needed to contact some of my biking friends, to get some of their hilly routes. I really need to get some more WTF hills in my training for IMWI! . My friends that have done IMWI suggested a compact (which I have). I did a 1/2 Iron as a relay in Lake Geneva,WI a few years ago. I did the run. Driving the course the day before, I was like "you've got to be kidding me!". My friend says, "thank God I'm doing the bike!!". Hilliest run I've ever done. Those steep grades suck!
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Okay, here's my latest revelation s/b/r, but its probably not new to the veterans... running hills isn't conducive to bike training. As a bit of history, after IMAZ last fall it really sunk in that tris are a bikers game, especially at long distance. So this year was supposed to be spent getting faster on the bike, first at short course, then adding distance before trying again at 140.6 next year. I figured I'll never be a 1hr swimmer, but with enough work could go sub 6hrs on the bike.

Biking was on hold for winter running and is supposed to pick up now. But even though it's tri season, my next "a" race is a 30k running trail race over some real peaks. I thought I could fit everything in (3 swims/3 bike/ 4 run per week) and make 2 of the runs geared toward the trail race, Sunday long run on the trails, and another of the 4 as hill repeats.

Between Sunday's trail run and yesterday's hill repeats, I was useless on the trainer this morning. I guess it's because hills engage my quads and knees, like the bike, were my base running was only hard on hamstrings and the tendons behind the knees, which didn't kill my biking. I dont know what to do except accept that maybe NEXT year is the time to get stronger on the bike.. Suggestions are welcome, but I may just be whining. Gonna get back kn the trainer tonight and see whatI can do.

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Well, I'm back on the horse, sort of, after my Mother's Day strep throat/antibiotics/etc.  Managed a 45 minute hilly run this morning and then a swim.  Felt pretty good but my times were off on the swim. Actually convinced myself it was a 25 meter pool instead of a 25 yard pool!  Alas, it was not the case...Got kind of tired and grumpy this afternoon but otherwise no physical complaints.  Gotta hit the bike hard tomorrow, it's my last 2 week build period before my A Oly race, and I'm just at that phase where I start to doubt my plan, my training, etc...Everyone else do that, too?

I've been spending a lot more time online the last few days and enjoying all your posts.   Jaime

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Brian, I was going to make some comment which included a derogatory term we use up here for people from Illinois (flatlanders Wink), but you and Ali are right there are hills and I have heard a number of times that IMWI is known for its hilly bike course (and run course too for that matter), so I will look into a different cassette.

As a related question then;  when you are training or racing what ring do you want to be riding in for the most part?  Which is most efficient?  I find myself in the large ring on front and maybe a  19 or slightly higher in back a lot of the time, but not sure if I should maybe be pushing myself harder.  Trying to keep cadence around 90.

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Brian, I was going to make some comment which included a derogatory term we use up here for people from Illinois (flatlanders Wink), but you and Ali are right there are hills and I have heard a number of times that IMWI is known for its hilly bike course (and run course too for that matter), so I will look into a different cassette.

As a related question then;  when you are training or racing what ring do you want to be riding in for the most part?  Which is most efficient?  I find myself in the large ring on front and maybe a  19 or slightly higher in back a lot of the time, but not sure if I should maybe be pushing myself harder.  Trying to keep cadence around 90.

- Todd

 

LOL! yes, I'm a flatlander!!  But what we lack in hills in Chicagoland we make up for in wind!  But this is exactly why I go other places to train sometimes.  Usually, it's WI or NV, this year I got to go to CA!!

 

Most peoples natural cadence falls between 85-100 in flats/downhills and 60-80 uphill.  I don't pay attention to what gear I'm in, but mostly how much pwr/effort I'm putting out at my natural cadence.  The gear that allows me to do that is the right gear.  I only know when I run out of gearing options like I did in CA where I was cranking at a 30 cadence just to move the wheels forward going uphill!

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Not shaping up as the best week for me.  Met a friend for a ride - beautiful morning..finally sunny and warm.  2 miles in and somethings not right - back break is rubbing.  Spend 45 minutes adjusting and re-adjusting but the darn thing kept rubbing. Decision time - do I grind it back 2 miles, load it in the car and take it to the LBS I've used for 2 years or walk 1/2 mile to another LBS that helped me out in a pinch couple years back.  Hoping it was just something I wasn't seeing I walked over the closer LBS and they took a look, tried a couple of things but no luck..they asked me to leave it...I hesitated for a second but ended up leaving it with them...I'm a little worried since I've never had any real bike work done by these guys...but how bad could they be...right???
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Not shaping up as the best week for me.  Met a friend for a ride - beautiful morning..finally sunny and warm.  2 miles in and somethings not right - back break is rubbing.  Spend 45 minutes adjusting and re-adjusting but the darn thing kept rubbing. Decision time - do I grind it back 2 miles, load it in the car and take it to the LBS I've used for 2 years or walk 1/2 mile to another LBS that helped me out in a pinch couple years back.  Hoping it was just something I wasn't seeing I walked over the closer LBS and they took a look, tried a couple of things but no luck..they asked me to leave it...I hesitated for a second but ended up leaving it with them...I'm a little worried since I've never had any real bike work done by these guys...but how bad could they be...right???


Rear brake issues should not be a big problem to correct for a person working at a bike shop. I would be more worried if it was a larger issue. Of course, that is on the mechanical repair. The flip side of that is they may try and take advantage of you cost wise.
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trei - 2013-05-16 9:53 AM

Brian, I was going to make some comment which included a derogatory term we use up here for people from Illinois (flatlanders Wink), but you and Ali are right there are hills and I have heard a number of times that IMWI is known for its hilly bike course (and run course too for that matter), so I will look into a different cassette.

As a related question then;  when you are training or racing what ring do you want to be riding in for the most part?  Which is most efficient?  I find myself in the large ring on front and maybe a  19 or slightly higher in back a lot of the time, but not sure if I should maybe be pushing myself harder.  Trying to keep cadence around 90.

- Todd



Brian, In my case, understanding my cadence has been key. It is not about the chain ring, but what cadence you can maintain for a desired period of time. What gear combination is not relevant unless you run out of gears on hills.
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trei - 2013-05-16 8:53 AM

Brian, I was going to make some comment which included a derogatory term we use up here for people from Illinois (flatlanders Wink), but you and Ali are right there are hills and I have heard a number of times that IMWI is known for its hilly bike course (and run course too for that matter), so I will look into a different cassette.

As a related question then;  when you are training or racing what ring do you want to be riding in for the most part?  Which is most efficient?  I find myself in the large ring on front and maybe a  19 or slightly higher in back a lot of the time, but not sure if I should maybe be pushing myself harder.  Trying to keep cadence around 90.

- Todd



Just curious, but do you even tell if it's a 19 or any other number??? I've got no clue, only if it's large or small in the front, & harder or easier in the back. But I'm a relative newbie on the bike!


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I'm Psyched!  I can finally answer a bike question. 

Ali, the number refers to the number of teeth on the particular ring on the back cassette.  A lot of times you will see it stamped into the cassette somewhere or if not you can count them up (just try to keep track of where you started counting).

Even though I could answer this question, I'm still a bike newbie.

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Ken, is this the new group?  If so, hi.  If not, here's boring crap you already know:

NAME: Scott Richardson.  Friends call me the IceMan. 

STORY: I am 61.  I finished IM Moo in 2011.  I am a certified ITCA triathlon coach and will be getting my USAT level 3 class done in, wait for it...KONA during, wait for it...THE IM WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS. My wife, Kathy and I already planned the trip to celebrate our retirements (me from journalism, her from State Farm Insurance), our 5th anniversary (which is TODAY!) and the anticipated completion of another IM at Madison this September.

I started riding a bike at 54 at 400 pounds or so. Was diagnosed with cancer in 2006.  Beat it.  Started doing relay teams for LiveSTRONG in 2007 and again in 2008, did my first triathlons in 2009, first half in 2010 and the IM in 2011.  Found out later I had a colon tumor hitchhiking the whole 140.6. Had it removed and a rupture I did IM with (I knew about that one) in fall of 2011.

Favorite sayings: The difficult takes time, the impossible a little longer.  And Ali's quote: "Impossible is an opinion.

FAMILY STATUS: Married to the most wonderful, most understanding, best triathlon manager in the world.  

 
CURRENT TRAINING:  Starting in January I begin training for the 2013 season.  I am using a training plan program with a local coach.  It is a little less structured than a one on one program but offers a lot more feed back than I am used to since I have always done the self coaching.  Training for my first HIM in Florida in mid - May and the training is going quite well.

Since I have been self coached using predominantly BT plans, I am fairly knowledgeable about most of them.

LAST YEAR'S RACES: I did Branson 70.3.  The Ozarks are HARD.

2013 RACES:  IM Moo and some short courses.

WEIGHT LOSS: I weight in about 210 now.  32/34 waist.   I mostly focus on balanced eating and portion control.

Sports:

Bike: I love the bike.  Started there.  Saved my life.  I am coached by Vision Quest out off Chicago.  Formerly had a bike coach from there who got me through the IM, but now have a tri coach.

Swim: I do masters and have a local swim coach I train with sometimes, a lot over winter, sometimes now. Really helped.

Run:  My new tri coach is a 6 time Boston qualifier. He has be running faster than ever, which isn't so fast for the younger crowd but I'm holding my own in my age group and enjoying it.



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I just read someone say Wisconsin has no hills. Unsure where I did the IM then cause the one I had was very very hilly.  I ride a Specialized Shiv with a compact on the front and an 11/28 on the back. You lose nothing on the top end and the 50/28 gets me up the hills.

This year I am increasing bike volume and run volume and including lots of hill repeats.  My run is much quicker thanks to lots of hill repeats and speed work on the treadmill.  I hope to do better on the bike too.  I was plagued with cramps on the bike during IM Moo, which was a BIG surprise since I never had them in training rides. Also caused a very good first half of my first ever marathon (about 1:54) to drop to 4:23 during my first ever stand alone marathon in April.

I am going to try to lean up without losing bike power.  I figure I could do another 5 to 10 pounds. No more than that.

 

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trei - 2013-05-16 11:51 AM

I'm Psyched!  I can finally answer a bike question. 

Ali, the number refers to the number of teeth on the particular ring on the back cassette.  A lot of times you will see it stamped into the cassette somewhere or if not you can count them up (just try to keep track of where you started counting).

Even though I could answer this question, I'm still a bike newbie.

Todd



Thanks Todd! Actually I meant while you are riding. When I read your post, it seemed like this is something you kept track of while riding? When I'm riding I never look at my back ring, occasionally the front one, but I'm usually too busy focusing on the road! Should I be?
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trei - 2013-05-16 11:51 AM

I'm Psyched!  I can finally answer a bike question. 

Ali, the number refers to the number of teeth on the particular ring on the back cassette.  A lot of times you will see it stamped into the cassette somewhere or if not you can count them up (just try to keep track of where you started counting).

Even though I could answer this question, I'm still a bike newbie.

Todd

Thanks Todd! Actually I meant while you are riding. When I read your post, it seemed like this is something you kept track of while riding? When I'm riding I never look at my back ring, occasionally the front one, but I'm usually too busy focusing on the road! Should I be?

 

Ali, you should be waaaaaaaaay to busy suffering to know what number rear cog your in! LOL  You just know when you run out of gear.  You yank on the lever for mercy and don't get none!



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I finally had a great bike workout this morning!   4 X 12 min intervals at Zone 4.   Went to the same area as a similar workout earlier in the season and was over 2mph faster.  At first I told myself I must have had a tail wind, but since the intervals were out and back on the same stretch of road I can now see that I have made some measurable progress.  I needed that.
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IceManScott - 2013-05-16 3:35 PM

 

Ken, is this the new group?  If so, hi.  If not, here's boring crap you already know:

NAME: Scott Richardson.  Friends call me the IceMan. 

STORY: I am 61.  I finished IM Moo in 2011.  I am a certified ITCA triathlon coach and will be getting my USAT level 3 class done in, wait for it...KONA during, wait for it...THE IM WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS. My wife, Kathy and I already planned the trip to celebrate our retirements (me from journalism, her from State Farm Insurance), our 5th anniversary (which is TODAY!) and the anticipated completion of another IM at Madison this September.

I started riding a bike at 54 at 400 pounds or so. Was diagnosed with cancer in 2006.  Beat it.  Started doing relay teams for LiveSTRONG in 2007 and again in 2008, did my first triathlons in 2009, first half in 2010 and the IM in 2011.  Found out later I had a colon tumor hitchhiking the whole 140.6. Had it removed and a rupture I did IM with (I knew about that one) in fall of 2011.

Favorite sayings: The difficult takes time, the impossible a little longer.  And Ali's quote: "Impossible is an opinion.

FAMILY STATUS: Married to the most wonderful, most understanding, best triathlon manager in the world.  

 
CURRENT TRAINING:  Starting in January I begin training for the 2013 season.  I am using a training plan program with a local coach.  It is a little less structured than a one on one program but offers a lot more feed back than I am used to since I have always done the self coaching.  Training for my first HIM in Florida in mid - May and the training is going quite well.

Since I have been self coached using predominantly BT plans, I am fairly knowledgeable about most of them.

LAST YEAR'S RACES: I did Branson 70.3.  The Ozarks are HARD.

2013 RACES:  IM Moo and some short courses.

WEIGHT LOSS: I weight in about 210 now.  32/34 waist.   I mostly focus on balanced eating and portion control.

Sports:

Bike: I love the bike.  Started there.  Saved my life.  I am coached by Vision Quest out off Chicago.  Formerly had a bike coach from there who got me through the IM, but now have a tri coach.

Swim: I do masters and have a local swim coach I train with sometimes, a lot over winter, sometimes now. Really helped.

Run:  My new tri coach is a 6 time Boston qualifier. He has be running faster than ever, which isn't so fast for the younger crowd but I'm holding my own in my age group and enjoying it.

This is the new group Ice! I was afraid I was going to have to go find you!! Welcome to the new group!
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trei - 2013-05-16 11:51 AM

I'm Psyched!  I can finally answer a bike question. 

Ali, the number refers to the number of teeth on the particular ring on the back cassette.  A lot of times you will see it stamped into the cassette somewhere or if not you can count them up (just try to keep track of where you started counting).

Even though I could answer this question, I'm still a bike newbie.

Todd

Thanks Todd! Actually I meant while you are riding. When I read your post, it seemed like this is something you kept track of while riding? When I'm riding I never look at my back ring, occasionally the front one, but I'm usually too busy focusing on the road! Should I be?
I usually go by feel on the road, the trainer I may know what gear I am in but usually not.
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IceManScott - 2013-05-16 3:39 PM

I just read someone say Wisconsin has no hills. Unsure where I did the IM then cause the one I had was very very hilly.  I ride a Specialized Shiv with a compact on the front and an 11/28 on the back. You lose nothing on the top end and the 50/28 gets me up the hills.

This year I am increasing bike volume and run volume and including lots of hill repeats.  My run is much quicker thanks to lots of hill repeats and speed work on the treadmill.  I hope to do better on the bike too.  I was plagued with cramps on the bike during IM Moo, which was a BIG surprise since I never had them in training rides. Also caused a very good first half of my first ever marathon (about 1:54) to drop to 4:23 during my first ever stand alone marathon in April.

I am going to try to lean up without losing bike power.  I figure I could do another 5 to 10 pounds. No more than that.

 

Have you figured out the cramp issue Ice?
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