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2008-03-03 1:45 PM
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Thanks for the pointer, Ridge. I appreciate it.

I've got at least 2 of each discipline planned for this week, but I'm thinking I may add a 3rd swim, just to build volume there. I can tell already the swim is going to be my weakest sport.

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catjammies - 2008-03-03 2:30 PM I need to start getting my volume up pretty soon.

Dave,

A quick caution about building too much volume too soon.  A lot of places will say that you can safely build 10% per week.  I personally found that to be aggressive given my injury risk.  

Actually, Daniels again suggests staying at a give distance/intensity level for at least 3 weeks before moving upward.  Thats about how long it takes for most of the adaptations to occur. 

 

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Ridgelake - 2008-03-02 9:49 AM

Happy Sunday everyone!

What does everyone have planned for the week ahead?


I travel this week tue-thur, but have jockied my schedule to still get my training in and have a gym at the hotel. Biggest challenge for me will be the restaurants.
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Hi, everyone, and a happy Monday to everyone!! I joined the local (or loco) running group. Little scarey, but all you had to be able to run is 5k no matter how slow, so I thought it would be a great opportunity to get free coaching plus a "fantastic jersey to WOW your friends with". They meet three days a week including 8 am sunday, so I have to show and do the workouts. Should be fun ???? Have been a major SLACKER swimmer plus lanes are hard to come by now that all the Ironheads have started their workout, so I will be amping up the swim workouts. Only 5.7 weeks to my 1st Olympic in Las Vegas...woohoo!!! Rode outside and it was fabulous. I kicked a couple hills butts that I called bad names last year. But, today it is snowing..spring in north idaho . Everyone have a great week and safe travels to you travelers
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Quick question on the Total Immersion book(s) and DVD(s).

As I'm searching Amazon.com for this book, I'm finding several books and DVDs that have Total Immersion in the title.

Can anyone send me the ISBN # or exact title of the Book and DVD you recommend?

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BunnyT - 2008-03-05 9:23 AM Quick question on the Total Immersion book(s) and DVD(s). As I'm searching Amazon.com for this book, I'm finding several books and DVDs that have Total Immersion in the title. Can anyone send me the ISBN # or exact title of the Book and DVD you recommend? Thanks! Jesse

 

The Book:

  • Paperback: 320 pages
  • Publisher: Fireside; Rev Upd Su edition (January 8, 2004)
  • Language: English
  • ISBN-10: 0743253434
  • ISBN-13: 978-0743253437
  • Product Dimensions: 9.2 x 7.3 x 0.8 inches
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    The DVD:

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    http://www.amazon.com/Freestyle-Made-Easy-Terry-Laughlin/dp/B000FDK78W/ref=pd_bxgy_b_text_b


    2008-03-05 12:47 PM
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    There's also this book by the same author.  I havent read it, but it might be pretty good too.  Anyone have experience with this one?

    Triathlon Swimming Made Easy: The Total Immersion Way for Anyone to Master Open-Water Swimming (Paperback)

  • Paperback: 221 pages
  • Publisher: Total Immersion Inc (January 1, 2004)
  • Language: English
  • ISBN-10: 1931009074
  • ISBN-13: 978-1931009072
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  • 2008-03-05 4:36 PM
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    Got another good article from my former coach's email group.  This is about hydrating in distance events.  The crux of the issue is that we tend to OVER-hydrate and we're better off listening to our bodies.

    Why waiting until you are thirsty is NOT too late


    We really hope everyone is enjoying this series so far. It is proving fun and challenging to write, and we hope that is coming across in the posts. So far we investigated the history of fluid ingestion in Part I, demonstrated why it is the metabolic rate that predicts temperature in Part II, and weighed up the strengths and weaknesses of the lab-based and field studies in Part III. For Part IV we will look at the thirst mechanism and why waiting until you are thirsty is not "too late."

    Myth busting: If you wait until you are thirsty, it is too late

    How often have you heard this? This is an oft stated mantra of athletes, coaches, and arm-chair quarterbacks everywhere. But where did this concept originate? In 1965 John Greenleaf did a study on four well-trained men to examine how much water they would ingest during exercise in the heat. The title was "Voluntary dehydration in man," and is the first reference to the finding that when given ad libitum access to fluids---that is, when we drink to thirst---humans do not replace 100% of their weight losses. For those of you who have read Part II and Part III, this should be no surprise, since in those posts we introduced the concept that weight is not the regulated variable, and therefore your body does not care how much weight you lose during exercise. This "thirst is bad" guide stuck, however, and some time later you were introduced to the mantra above: "If you wait until you are thirsty, it is too late."

    What is it too late for?

    The argument is that by waiting until you are thirsty, you are already dehydrated. This argument has been perpetuated because you have been led to believe that weight losses equal body water losses. However, even in a class lab we performed recently, our volunteer cycled for just over two hours. During that time he burned nearly 300 g of carbohydrate and fat while ingesting water ad libitum. His weight losses, or "dehydration," were 1 kg. Yet a whole 30% of that "dehydration" was not water at all and instead represented fuel that he burned. Let us say that again---the weight loss method overestimated his "dehydration" by 30%. So the take home message here is that the body weight losses grossly overestimate the fluid losses, and when someone is said to have lost 4% of his or her body weight, at least 10% of that or more will be fuel that has been burned during the exercise.

    The thirst mechanism - a well-oiled physiological machine

    The reality of the situation is that humans (and mammals) have very well-developed and successful mechanisms in place to help conserve and maintain their fluid balance, although the sports drinks companies have informed you otherwise.
    As we have said, the body is not concerned about body weight, but rather the concentration of the body fluids---otherwise known as the osmolality, and here is how it works.

    Incredibly small increases (1%) above the resting value (280-300) first will trigger the release of anti-diuretic hormone, or ADH. Its job is to keep you from losing any more water in the urine. It has a profound effect so that even small amounts of ADH produce a maximal effect---that is, it is not possible for you to produce any less urine. Next, if ADH does not do the trick, as is the case when you are exercising and sweating, your thirst kicks in. Again, this occurs at a very marginal (4% or less) elevation of the osmolality. The effect is that we seek fluid, drink, and some time later the fluid gets in to the blood and dilutes it back down below the thirst threshold. This cycle continues indefinitely until you stop excreting fluid (i.e., sweating) and restore your osmolality once and for all.

    So in fact humans have a very acute sense of when it is important to drink fluid, and it does not take much to stimulate us to seek water. Thirst is a very deep-seated, physiological desire for water, and it has been shown again and again in lab studies to effectively defend the osmolality.

    Why is the osmolality so important?

    The reason the body does not care about weight losses and instead "defends" the osmolality is that this concentration of the body fluids is what keeps the fluid balance between the cells. We have fluid both inside and outside the cells, and under normal conditions, the osmolality maintains this balance. The following two changes are possible:

    • The osmolality can increase outside the cells. This will cause the fluid to leave the cells. Because this is undesirable, the ADH and thirst mechanisms explained above kick in and we correct the change to restore balance (homeostasis, in physiology-speak!)
    • The osmolality can decrease outside the cells. If this happens, then fluid will move into the cells. Similarly, the body will initiate a sequence of responses, including the release of other hormones (aldosterone, for example) that we won't go into here.

    As our bodies are mostly water, you can imagine why keeping these fluid volumes balanced is so important, and that is precisely why the body defends the osmolality and not the body weight.

    "My sweat tastes salty"

    Yes, it certainly does, and that is because it does contain some sodium. However it contains profoundly less than the fluids in your body, and is still mostly water---body fluids have a sodium concentration of 140mM while sweat has a value of 20-60mM. Therefore when you remove a liter of sweat from your blood, it has much more of an effect on the volume compared to the solutes (sodium), and what happens is that the osmolality rises in response to sweat losses. This is absolutely crucial to realise - you cannot lose sodium, even if you are a "salty sweater", as Gatorade are now claiming. If the sodium content of the blood is dropping, it's because you're drinking too much water, not because you're sweating sodium!

    In fact, a very interesting study was published in 1992 by Robert Cade, the man who invented Gatorade. His experiment took place during a marathon, and the groups of runners were given Gatorade, 1/2 Gatorade (half water, half Gatorade), or water. The really interesting finding was that the water group maintained their sodium concentration (a surrogate for the total osmolality) just fine, while the Gatorade group actually increaesed its concentration. In fact this explains why people drink more of a sports drink compared to water---the sports drinks keep your osmolality higher and therefore makes you thirstier. So instead of lowering osmolality, which is what your body wants you to do, the sports drinks raise it. Seems kind of counter-intuitive, doesn't it?

    The final word - Drinking to thirst optimizes your fluid intake

    We hope it has become clear that, for a number of reasons, it is not necessary to drink so much during exercise, and in furthermore no one needs to tell you how much to drink. As we have shown you here, the thirst mechanism is highly sensitive and very successful at what it is meant to do: maintain your osmolality, not your weight. But the final message here is that when you drink to thirst, you optimize your fluid intake, and by that we mean your thirst will always keep you from drinking too much or too little. There is such a thing as both of those, but drinking to thirst will always prevent you from straying too far in one direction or the other.

    In addition, who wants to carry around three Liters of fluid in a backpack when half that volume will be just plenty? And when there is no scientific evidence to support the claims that dehydration increases your core temperature or elevates your risk for heat stroke, it
    seems quite unnecessary. In fact, the concept that people are "dehydrated" while losing a few kg's is now debatable.

    One last thing, is that as humans, we are regarded (by most, anyway) as the smartest animals, right? Yet for some reason, companies making fluids deem it necessary to inform you how much you should drink. Have you ever had to force your pet cat or dog to the water bowl? Have you ever seens signs in the wild pointing animals to the watering hole with instructions to drink before they're thirsty? Yet somehow, the Gatorades of the world have "discovered" the NEED to educate us all about fluid. It does strike one as patently ridiculous - thirst is good enough for every animal in the world, it's good enough for us...!

    2008-03-07 9:43 AM
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    Excellent article. Thanks Ridge
    2008-03-07 11:22 AM
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    Again, Rob, super information. I have found that most the "rules" are subject to change and need to be individualized.

    Hey, I need to sell a wetsuit that is too big for me (YEAH!!). What is the best way to do this? Does BT have a good place, Ebay??? It is a Pro Motion Womens 10 Tall worn about 5-10 times.

    Thanks and everyone have a good week end and wish for sunshine!!
    2008-03-07 8:34 PM
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    Teresa, 

    I'd try either Ebay or some triathlon sites.  I think BT does have a buy-sell area.  Sorry I can't be more helpful.  Its not something that I've looked into much.



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    Hello everyone. I am back from traveling. It is always nice to be home. I ran a couple of times but training on the road is not easy. Kindof a learning experience.
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    holt1997 - 2008-03-09 1:20 PM Hello everyone. I am back from traveling. It is always nice to be home. I ran a couple of times but training on the road is not easy. Kindof a learning experience. Scott

     Welcome back!

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    Scott....

    Good work getting a few runs in while travelling!

    Maintaining a workout schedule while travelling has been one of the most difficult challenges for me over the years.

    I used to travel extensively with my work, and found exercising while travelling to be extremely difficult, and I never really found a good solution. I was more successful when travelling to California and Arizona, only due to the fact that they are 3-4 hours ahead of Atlantic Canada and therefore I would wake up at like 5 am and not be able to get to sleep, so I would go out for a run.

    Much of my travel was to Ireland though, and exercising there is next to impossible. I did not find many hotels with decent gyms in all of my travels over there. One upscale hotel I stayed at advertised a gym, and when I went to do a workout found the 'gym' was literally a treadmill and a stationary bike in the hotel office... with people working at desks a few feet away! lol

    Whenever I started travelling a lot, I probably gained 30-40 pounds over a year or so from expense account eating and lack of good exercise. I still have trouble getting good exercise when travelling, but have gotten much better at it. I guess really, at the end of the day it is about not forgetting your goals, even though that can be really hard to do with the distractions of travelling. It also seems to me like you often have to plan ahead to make exercising a viable option.

    I am not sure if they are still doing it, but near the end of my extensive travelling (several years ago) there was a trend for hotels to provide healthy alternatives, and one of the things they would do is provide access to a nearby health club as part of the hotel package. That was one thing I always looked for when booking. I did find it much easier to get motivated to go to a health club a block away, rather than go stand in the tiny little hotel gym by yourself and try to hit the treadmill.

    Anyone else have any travel exercise tips / tricks?

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    Welcome Back Scott.

    I travel quite a bit with work and echo most of what Brad is saying. I travel for business about twice a month, usually 3 days, but sometimes the whole week. There is a fairly large number of travelers in the bigger hotels that run and gym, so doing this is not out of the ordinary. I've started toting my running shoes along with me, and now have a set of work-out cloths permanently stashed in my suitcase (after forgetting them a few times).

    By far my biggest problem is eating. I like the term Brad used "Expense Account Eating" regardless of who is paying for the meal, restaruants in general are my biggest challenge. I've picked up some tips that are helping in that area:
    - Order dressing on the side. Even so, salads sometimes just "seem" healthy, but are crammed with calories.
    - Look for heart-healthy, or weight watchers menu items
    - Pick the right restaurant (Chili's isn't the right one)
    - When I'm with my family, my wife and I share something, reducing the amount of food.
    - Don't plan on eating the whole meal, usually portions are way too big.

    Even knowing all that, sometimes I can't resist, and thus, my biggest challenge.

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    Thanks for the help. Another challenge that I found was balancing with family and helping my wife. We have four kids and if I am gone for an hour in the morning with kids just getting up I feel a little unfair to her. Being locked in a small room with four under 8 tends to make her a little edgy (and it would me also) so I had to try and get up early and sneak out of a hotel room without waking anyone up. Not easy but made me giggle a few times as I stumble around "quietly" trying to get out the door.

    Now the training race is on. I have my first Duathlon on the 29th and I am not sure I am ready for it. I keep telling myself that my only goal is to finish with a smile. I hope to remember this on the day of.

    So did we set some training goals for March while I was gone???

    Have a great day.
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    Another thought. I have not been able to fid anyone else in my immediate area that is training for triathlons that could possibly be a workout partner. I have even entertained the thought of trying to start a club in the area and just start putting up posters at the bike shop or something. I don't think however that a newbie should be the one to start a club. Any thoughts or ideas? The nearest tri club is over an hour away.
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    I have a solution to people's problems of eating too much....eat with a teenager. My teenagers eat all of their food and part of mine. I never get seconds, and sometimes I don't get all of my first portion. This has been very helpful to my husband who is trying and succeeding at losing weight, but it isn't doing anything for me except making me hungry. If any of you need to borrow my teenagers when you travel to eat most of your food at restaurants, just let me know. I will be happy to send them to you.
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    colewarren - 2008-03-10 5:40 PM

    I have a solution to people's problems of eating too much....eat with a teenager. My teenagers eat all of their food and part of mine. I never get seconds, and sometimes I don't get all of my first portion. This has been very helpful to my husband who is trying and succeeding at losing weight, but it isn't doing anything for me except making me hungry. If any of you need to borrow my teenagers when you travel to eat most of your food at restaurants, just let me know. I will be happy to send them to you.


    That is so true about teens. Ours is now doing HS swim team and eats two dinners a night. Just last night, we made a pre-packaged stroganoff and when it was done, my wife and I looked at how much it had made and realized that we would have to give it ALL to my son because he was starving after swim practice. About 2 hours later he made himself a burrito.
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    T-3 till my first tri. Getting a little nervous and anxious, but I'll be fine!!!!

    Here's to tri's and green beer!

    Scott

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    smeador - 2008-03-11 4:05 PM

    T-3 till my first tri. Getting a little nervous and anxious, but I'll be fine!!!!

    Here's to tri's and green beer!

    Scott

    It will be fine, Scott.   Just try to relax and soak up the experience.  Remember to have fun!



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    Scott, how exciting, your 1st tri!!! I'm doing my first event of the season and second event ever Saturday and I'm feeling your pain. Good luck!!!!!

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    Scott and Teresa, Good Luck! You guys have put in a lot of training, and I am sure you are up to your challenge. Please give us a full report after your events. We will be cheering for you!
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    How fun that some of us are starting to race. Have fun and we will be rooting you on!!!
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    Go for it Scott and Teresa! You've put in the hard, easy, long, fast and slow work, so have a blast and enjoy the fitness that your training has brought you! And yes, we will want a full report after you've finished.
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