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jarvy01 - 2012-04-11 10:50 AM

So, I was reading that thread called "when do you stop being a newbie?"  Don't ask why I even opened it, as everything the OP puts up on this site is ridiculous.  Anyway, I thought it was interesting that some people believe that anyone can KQ (not just OP but others as well).  Thoughts on this?

I absolutely disagree.  No way everyone can qualify for Kona.  Even if we all put in the amount of work it would take to qualify and were physically and mentally dedicated to the goal....well, not gonna happen.  I think that's when it boils down to genetics.  Unfortunately (or fortunately? ), we are all wired differently - potential, ability to recovery, ability to go fast, metabolism, etc.  I was shocked to read that people believed that.  I don't think it's bad to aim for the top, but I'm also a realist.  

I tihnk almost anyone can qualify for Kona if they're willing to put the work in. 

Now for most people its not a short or easy process, it takes YEARS of consistency but it can be done.  My first Ironman was a 15:40, so I obviously haven't hit the genetic jack pot, but I'm down to 11:20 and still working on getting faster.  Its not easy, but it can be done.



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uhcoog - 2012-04-11 11:12 AM

That’s like saying everyone can play major league baseball if you put the work in.  It’s just not true.

Being a pro is like saying everyone can play major league baseball.  KQing as an age grouper is like saying anyone can play D 3 college ball (if they put in the time and long term commitment).  Although baseball and  triathlon are tough to compare for lots of other reasons.

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1 hour on the trainer this morning - was planning to go outside, but the wind was awful again. Then 30 minutes strength.I can't keep up with all of you who do 2 or 3 workouts a day!

Really excited - my very supportive husband let me order the Garmin 910! I love technology!

2012-04-11 11:48 AM
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kaburns1214 - 2012-04-11 11:54 AM
jarvy01 - 2012-04-11 10:50 AM

So, I was reading that thread called "when do you stop being a newbie?"  Don't ask why I even opened it, as everything the OP puts up on this site is ridiculous.  Anyway, I thought it was interesting that some people believe that anyone can KQ (not just OP but others as well).  Thoughts on this?

I absolutely disagree.  No way everyone can qualify for Kona.  Even if we all put in the amount of work it would take to qualify and were physically and mentally dedicated to the goal....well, not gonna happen.  I think that's when it boils down to genetics.  Unfortunately (or fortunately? ), we are all wired differently - potential, ability to recovery, ability to go fast, metabolism, etc.  I was shocked to read that people believed that.  I don't think it's bad to aim for the top, but I'm also a realist.  

I tihnk almost anyone can qualify for Kona if they're willing to put the work in. 

Now for most people its not a short or easy process, it takes YEARS of consistency but it can be done.  My first Ironman was a 15:40, so I obviously haven't hit the genetic jack pot, but I'm down to 11:20 and still working on getting faster.  Its not easy, but it can be done.

I think you need to attribute at least some of your gains to your genetic potential, too, but yes, consistency and large training load are a huge factor in Ironman success.  

I just find it hard to believe that everyone can place in the top of their AG at a WTC Ironman event.  I know a few people who qualified, and they are smokin' fast.    

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My mom just texted me that she ordered a copy of Amanda Beard's book for me.  It will be delivered on Friday
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jarvy01 - 2012-04-11 11:49 AMMy mom just texted me that she ordered a copy of Amanda Beard's book for me.  It will be delivered on Friday
Is it a picture book? If so I'll buy it.


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jarvy01 - 2012-04-11 10:50 AM

So, I was reading that thread called "when do you stop being a newbie?"  Don't ask why I even opened it, as everything the OP puts up on this site is ridiculous.  Anyway, I thought it was interesting that some people believe that anyone can KQ (not just OP but others as well).  Thoughts on this?

It's weird this is coming up as I just had a disagreement with a friend who has a friend who is doing her first IM this year (Lake Placid) and paid the foundation fee ($1250) to do it.  Why...because she BQ for 2013 and doesn't want to interfere with her training?  I didn't get any of this --I'm not sure what a marathon in April has to do with a IM in late July.  She said her friend thinks if she just focuses on the IM she'll qualify for Kona...because of her predicted time.  But this is exactly what people get mistaken about..there are only so many spots at different IMs and SO many people racing for those spots.  You can have your best time ever, but if just one other person beats you by a .05 sec ..you don't get the spot.  Doesn't matter how fast you were, etc...

That said, I think it's great to have goals (and apparently a lot of disposable income!)

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jarvy01 - 2012-04-11 10:50 AM

So, I was reading that thread called "when do you stop being a newbie?"  Don't ask why I even opened it, as everything the OP puts up on this site is ridiculous.  Anyway, I thought it was interesting that some people believe that anyone can KQ (not just OP but others as well).  Thoughts on this?

I absolutely disagree.  No way everyone can qualify for Kona.  Even if we all put in the amount of work it would take to qualify and were physically and mentally dedicated to the goal....well, not gonna happen.  I think that's when it boils down to genetics.  Unfortunately (or fortunately? ), we are all wired differently - potential, ability to recovery, ability to go fast, metabolism, etc.  I was shocked to read that people believed that.  I don't think it's bad to aim for the top, but I'm also a realist.  

 

i knew it was a GatorDeb thread before i even opened it, lol

 

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Wow I could buy the tri bike I have been looking at for that much! Ahh to have disposable income....



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kaburns1214 - 2012-04-11 11:54 AM
jarvy01 - 2012-04-11 10:50 AM

So, I was reading that thread called "when do you stop being a newbie?"  Don't ask why I even opened it, as everything the OP puts up on this site is ridiculous.  Anyway, I thought it was interesting that some people believe that anyone can KQ (not just OP but others as well).  Thoughts on this?

I absolutely disagree.  No way everyone can qualify for Kona.  Even if we all put in the amount of work it would take to qualify and were physically and mentally dedicated to the goal....well, not gonna happen.  I think that's when it boils down to genetics.  Unfortunately (or fortunately? ), we are all wired differently - potential, ability to recovery, ability to go fast, metabolism, etc.  I was shocked to read that people believed that.  I don't think it's bad to aim for the top, but I'm also a realist.  

I tihnk almost anyone can qualify for Kona if they're willing to put the work in. 

Now for most people its not a short or easy process, it takes YEARS of consistency but it can be done.  My first Ironman was a 15:40, so I obviously haven't hit the genetic jack pot, but I'm down to 11:20 and still working on getting faster.  Its not easy, but it can be done.

 

totally disagree, because they are not the only ones improving. There are 100 more just like them. Some people can go long but cannot go fast, ever. I do not care if they put in 40 hours a week, they will NEVER qualify for Kona or Boston or any D3 athletics.

 

Stop being so hard on your self, you have genetic talent, you just fail to see it.  I don't care how much QT2 has you working out, if you had no genetic ability it would mean jack squat. You could Swim bike run till you were skin and bones and it would mean diddly.  You are obviously talented beyond Triathlon as well, you are a lawyer with a freaking IVY LEAGUE degree, give yourself some credit, you know how to succeed. That is half the battle.

 

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2012-04-11 3:20 PM
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jarvy01 - 2012-04-11 10:50 AM

So, I was reading that thread called "when do you stop being a newbie?"  Don't ask why I even opened it, as everything the OP puts up on this site is ridiculous.  Anyway, I thought it was interesting that some people believe that anyone can KQ (not just OP but others as well).  Thoughts on this?

I absolutely disagree.  No way everyone can qualify for Kona.  Even if we all put in the amount of work it would take to qualify and were physically and mentally dedicated to the goal....well, not gonna happen.  I think that's when it boils down to genetics.  Unfortunately (or fortunately? ), we are all wired differently - potential, ability to recovery, ability to go fast, metabolism, etc.  I was shocked to read that people believed that.  I don't think it's bad to aim for the top, but I'm also a realist.  

Step away from the GatorDeb threads. 



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uhcoog - 2012-04-11 12:56 PM
jarvy01 - 2012-04-11 11:49 AMMy mom just texted me that she ordered a copy of Amanda Beard's book for me.  It will be delivered on Friday
Is it a picture book? If so I'll buy it.

I forgot you had the hots for Amanda

2012-04-11 3:56 PM
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uhcoog - 2012-04-11 12:56 PM
jarvy01 - 2012-04-11 11:49 AMMy mom just texted me that she ordered a copy of Amanda Beard's book for me.  It will be delivered on Friday
Is it a picture book? If so I'll buy it.

I forgot you had the hots for Amanda

and what straight male doesnt?

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skitri - 2012-04-11 2:56 PM
jarvy01 - 2012-04-11 10:50 AM

So, I was reading that thread called "when do you stop being a newbie?"  Don't ask why I even opened it, as everything the OP puts up on this site is ridiculous.  Anyway, I thought it was interesting that some people believe that anyone can KQ (not just OP but others as well).  Thoughts on this?

It's weird this is coming up as I just had a disagreement with a friend who has a friend who is doing her first IM this year (Lake Placid) and paid the foundation fee ($1250) to do it.  Why...because she BQ for 2013 and doesn't want to interfere with her training?  I didn't get any of this --I'm not sure what a marathon in April has to do with a IM in late July.  She said her friend thinks if she just focuses on the IM she'll qualify for Kona...because of her predicted time.  But this is exactly what people get mistaken about..there are only so many spots at different IMs and SO many people racing for those spots.  You can have your best time ever, but if just one other person beats you by a .05 sec ..you don't get the spot.  Doesn't matter how fast you were, etc...

That said, I think it's great to have goals (and apparently a lot of disposable income!)

Its really tough to do a competative Boston - IMLP double.  The run mileage and recovery time for the marathon (and associated loss of bike volume) take a big toll on being able to properly train for IMLP. 

There's no issue with doing them both for fun, but its tough to structure a season to have top performances at both events.

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jsklarz - 2012-04-11 4:56 PM
jarvy01 - 2012-04-11 4:54 PM

uhcoog - 2012-04-11 12:56 PM
jarvy01 - 2012-04-11 11:49 AMMy mom just texted me that she ordered a copy of Amanda Beard's book for me.  It will be delivered on Friday
Is it a picture book? If so I'll buy it.

I forgot you had the hots for Amanda

and what straight male doesnt?

She's absolutely beautiful, but I'm more interested in her story.  She fought eating disorders and depression early in her career.  I'll let you all know what I think of the book......unless you guys just want to stick to picturing her naked.    

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uhcoog - 2012-04-11 12:56 PM
jarvy01 - 2012-04-11 11:49 AMMy mom just texted me that she ordered a copy of Amanda Beard's book for me.  It will be delivered on Friday
Is it a picture book? If so I'll buy it.

I forgot you had the hots for Amanda

and what straight male doesnt?

She's absolutely beautiful, but I'm more interested in her story.  She fought eating disorders and depression early in her career.  I'll let you all know what I think of the book......unless you guys just want to stick to picturing her naked.    

This is a trick question isn't it?



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In regards to Kona qualifying I have zero shot in my current age group. I probably have little to no chance in the age group after that or the one after that. But if I keep going the odds will get better. If you enjoy the process it's more about the journey than it is the destination and I really do love the process. If I happen to make it there some year that will just be the icing on the cake.
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uhcoog - 2012-04-11 5:05 PM
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jarvy01 - 2012-04-11 4:54 PM

uhcoog - 2012-04-11 12:56 PM
jarvy01 - 2012-04-11 11:49 AMMy mom just texted me that she ordered a copy of Amanda Beard's book for me.  It will be delivered on Friday
Is it a picture book? If so I'll buy it.

I forgot you had the hots for Amanda

and what straight male doesnt?

She's absolutely beautiful, but I'm more interested in her story.  She fought eating disorders and depression early in her career.  I'll let you all know what I think of the book......unless you guys just want to stick to picturing her naked.    

This is a trick question isn't it?

Let's try to refrain from posting any Amanda Beard minus clothes pictures here. 

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everlong - 2012-04-11 7:11 PM In regards to Kona qualifying I have zero shot in my current age group. I probably have little to no chance in the age group after that or the one after that. But if I keep going the odds will get better. If you enjoy the process it's more about the journey than it is the destination and I really do love the process. If I happen to make it there some year that will just be the icing on the cake.

That's it -- its a process.  You build year and year (and the next thing you know, you're smoking fast).

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Up at 4:15 for a 2600m swim.  It was the swim band workout again, and I couldn't get into a groove.  I had about 500m left to go, and the pool was getting crowded.  I told a guy standing there that we could split the lane until I finished, and I kept swimming.  I take off, flip, make my way back, and all the sudden, I am in a head on collision with this dude.  It hurt!!!!  He apologized profusely and then continued to circle swim.  I just went with it.  Miscommunication, I guess, but who circle swims when there are only 2 people in the lane who swim at completely different speeds?  

Anyway, strength training later and then I'm done for the day.  

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kaburns1214 - 2012-04-11 9:22 PM

everlong - 2012-04-11 7:11 PM In regards to Kona qualifying I have zero shot in my current age group. I probably have little to no chance in the age group after that or the one after that. But if I keep going the odds will get better. If you enjoy the process it's more about the journey than it is the destination and I really do love the process. If I happen to make it there some year that will just be the icing on the cake.

That's it -- its a process.  You build year and year (and the next thing you know, you're smoking fast).

I love the process, too.  The races are little treats, but the training is what I really love.  



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jarvy01 - 2012-04-12 6:38 AM

Up at 4:15 for a 2600m swim.  It was the swim band workout again, and I couldn't get into a groove.  I had about 500m left to go, and the pool was getting crowded.  I told a guy standing there that we could split the lane until I finished, and I kept swimming.  I take off, flip, make my way back, and all the sudden, I am in a head on collision with this dude.  It hurt!!!!  He apologized profusely and then continued to circle swim.  I just went with it.  Miscommunication, I guess, but who circle swims when there are only 2 people in the lane who swim at completely different speeds?  

Anyway, strength training later and then I'm done for the day.  

This happened to me about 2 weeks ago.  I thought we were splitting, she thought circle swim.  Almost head on carnage, but luckily she flailed about as if drowning so I saw her wake coming.  LOL.

 

50 minutes on the treadmill this morning.  1:20 on the trainer later.  Going by my friend's house later today or on Saturday to pick up his race wheels.  He has the local "Got 112" event Saturday morning on the IMTX course so I figure he'll be camped out on the sofa Saturday afternoon.

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For all of you who train daily and twice daily, how fatigued are your legs? Can I ask why you don't take a full rest day? I can't keep up with all of you - I feel like I have been trying (LOL) but my legs get tired. Maybe its the 10 year disadvantage I have on all of you!!!! 
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Jen - I don't get the circle swim when there's only 2 people either.  I've never had a head on collision and usually communicate ahead of time so it's a non-issue.  But there was this one woman who would always ask me if I wanted to circle swim of just split the lane when I used to do Masters.  I always responded split the lane with a perplexed look on my face???

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jarvy01 - 2012-04-12 7:39 AM
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everlong - 2012-04-11 7:11 PM In regards to Kona qualifying I have zero shot in my current age group. I probably have little to no chance in the age group after that or the one after that. But if I keep going the odds will get better. If you enjoy the process it's more about the journey than it is the destination and I really do love the process. If I happen to make it there some year that will just be the icing on the cake.

That's it -- its a process.  You build year and year (and the next thing you know, you're smoking fast).

I love the process, too.  The races are little treats, but the training is what I really love.  

I heard a comment recently about "race to train" and that's what I'm all about.  I really love the training and the racing is just the motivation to keep moving forward and strive for just a bit more.  I couldn't never be just one of those people who go to the gym and workout..I'd be so bored!

As far as rest days..I'm always tired (or at least feel tired) and the rest days find me rather than me planning them out.  yesterday was suppose to be a trainer ride, but the day had other plans for me.

Speed work on the treadmill this am - Yoga tonight. Long ride tomorrow.

I love these stories about the pool.  I use the local Y (nice facility but crappy hours!) and I can't tell you how many times I get mean looks and comments for the older folks who stand around waiting for a lane to open up when I just walk up and ask to share. They act like I just stole their car or something!  Never had a head on...banged knuckles last week with a guy swimming way too far on my side...he learned his lesson!

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