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2013-09-30 9:51 PM
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I have four bottles on my bike.  Two with just water and two with Gatorade / Powerade / Water with NUUN tablet in it. I go back and forth between water and other stuff all the time.  Need to keep a balance otherwise I feel to loaded up with sugar or over hydrated with water.

I've been mixing between gu and cliff bars.  2-3 gus per hour with a Cliff mixed in every 90 minutes or so.  Seems to be working well for me. 

Now to figure out a good way to execute the perfect Code Yellow......






you carry 4 bottles during your race? That is quite a bit of weight to lug around.... especially with there being aid stations like every 30 min on that course


2013-09-30 9:53 PM
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I am hurting a little from this past weekend, we did about 80 miles on Saturday on the bike in about 5 hours, climbing over 6000 feet and it was in the upper 90's...i think i need to learn to ride on a belly that is fuller with liquid. I was a really dehydrated at the end of that ride. yesterday we did a light 1 hr spin and then 2 hr run, i got 15.5 miles in, but a again i was a bit dehydrated at the end.

my issue on the bike is after about 3 hours, i cannot hardly stomach perform anymore and my body only craves water. i don't know if that is a sign of me already being dehydrated or not. I know the bike is my weak point and will dictate my day...


I tried perform for my first IM back in 08 and knew after a couple of sessions it wasnt going to work. I think it has something to do with the type of protein they use cant remember if it is milk isolates or what but man busted up my stomach after a couple hours and after an hour on the run i needed a bathroom.... glad i found that out before race day
2013-09-30 10:04 PM
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Originally posted by Birkierunner

4.5 hours on the computrainer yesterday due to storms followed by 2 mi easy transition run in the rain;  then a 10 miler today with the first 2 miles easy and the remainder at 7:00-7:10 min/mi pace.  Starting to feel stronger following the recovery from IM M-T in August


man i have never ran that fast... the other day i worked my off for one mile at 7:48 hahaha.... my 29 inch inseam and 200 pounds wont help that
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2013-10-01 9:46 AM
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How do you carry more food on the bike? I have box bento box full and i don't wear a bike jersey....i guess my tri-tops do have a small pocket in the back but otherwise i am out of room...
2013-10-01 10:01 AM
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How much food do you really need? I know everyone is differant but just asking. You could tape any kind of bar to the top tube etc.

If your using gels I find it more convientiant to put them in a water bottle, about 12 of them, 2 scoops perform and top off with water. Drink about 2 onces every 15 min.

That way my bento is more than big enough to carry what I want, though I'm a minimalist in that respect. Don't get me wrong, I pack more than what I need, but my bike isn't all cluttered up like some I see with 33 gels taped to them.

Although if it is a shorter race you can neatly tape gels to the top tube and stack them right behind the stem, and cut up power bars will actually stick to your top tube if you don't mind the chance of a nat or peice of dirt getting stuck to them here or there, just extra protein lol.

At least thats the way I did it 20 years ago with the bars.
2013-10-01 10:59 AM
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How do you carry more food on the bike? I have box bento box full and i don't wear a bike jersey....i guess my tri-tops do have a small pocket in the back but otherwise i am out of room...


You can use your bento box and can store some items in your tri top. As previously mentioned, taping to your top tube is also something to try out. If you still don't have space, remember that you can always utilize your SN's bag while on the bike. Carry all you can at the start and stop at SN's for the remainder of your nutrition.

For me, I carry everything in my bike jersey. It's too convenient for me not to wear/use. I'll have a concentrated Infinit mix on my downtube and tthe following in my jersey - two packs of Fig Newtons, two Powerbars, and a Payday bar. It's really not that much to carry around.


2013-10-01 11:16 AM
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I will live off of honey stinger waffles and rice things that scratch labs has a recipe for... this is why long rides with nutrition plans are HUGE part your deep weeks. The waffles are flat and fit in my tri pockets easy... i can put 10 in there if i needed to... but 5 plus a few rice cakes and then perform from the aid stations... and that hidden candy bar for that omg i need real food feeling. like it was said before it isnt much to carry and i never use a SN bag... my bento is for a second tube and my flat kit.... what is the formula... like 280 - 300 per hour on the bike you should shoot for??? everyone is different but i think that is what the standard is.... so you are looking at like 1800 cal on the bike for the average rider. That is easy to fill with the course drink and gels, bars, gu, uncrustables, delivered pizza, sushi, in n out, what every your stomach will handle.
2013-10-02 10:26 AM
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1 day into October and I have not missed any planned workouts. Woohoo!

Make October Count and finish your training strong, November is just around the corner!

2013-10-02 10:49 AM
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Originally posted by Tryrn

I will live off of honey stinger waffles and rice things that scratch labs has a recipe for... this is why long rides with nutrition plans are HUGE part your deep weeks. The waffles are flat and fit in my tri pockets easy... i can put 10 in there if i needed to... but 5 plus a few rice cakes and then perform from the aid stations... and that hidden candy bar for that omg i need real food feeling. like it was said before it isnt much to carry and i never use a SN bag... my bento is for a second tube and my flat kit.... what is the formula... like 280 - 300 per hour on the bike you should shoot for??? everyone is different but i think that is what the standard is.... so you are looking at like 1800 cal on the bike for the average rider. That is easy to fill with the course drink and gels, bars, gu, uncrustables, delivered pizza, sushi, in n out, what every your stomach will handle.


I am also a HS Waffle fan. Since you use your bento as your flat bag where do you put all the waffles? I am guessing you wear a bike jersey rather than a tri top? My tri top pockets can fit a gu but not a waffle. Where do you put your rice cakes? Just trying to figure it all out. I don't want to stop at SN unless I need a tube. Do you only carry one extra tube? I have been using a water bottle for my 'flat bag' though I am not sure that is the best idea.


2013-10-02 10:50 AM
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Originally posted by blackorcutt

IMAZ Vets, typically how strong is the wind on the bike course and how much did it affect you?

I feel very comfortable with my bike but whenever someone breaks wind I feel like Im pulling a 50lb weight. So I am feeling a bit concerned.

Any advice or previous experience would be appreciated!




Winds on the Beeline the last couple years of IM AZ shifted during the bike portion. Early there was a slight headwind (more of a cross wind) going uphill, then by the 2nd loop the winds had shifted and there was wind from the south, making the downhill portion a bit more of a grind than on calmer days.

That being said, the wind was not anything too formidable, but just enough to keep you working for the entire ride. I raced my 80mm aero wheels both years and had no problems getting pushed around by the wind, as I have at Oceanside.
2013-10-02 10:53 AM
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Tons of people on the Beeline last weekend made the day fun overall. 3000m pool swim followed by 92 miles on the IM bike course, and 16mi around Tempe Town Lake (in 95 degree temps) - long day, but totally worth it.

No SOMA for me this year. Plans have me doing a second race simulation the following weekend (4000m/108mi/18mi) along the course (except the swim, of course), so I decided to take SOMA off (ut will be out there with my ONE peeps volunteering and cheering). After the race sim it is 3 weeks of step-down tapering up to race week, with tons of Bikram Yoga and massages to loosen up the muscles and joints and stay limber.


2013-10-02 11:15 AM
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1 day into October and I have not missed any planned workouts. Woohoo!

Make October Count and finish your training strong, November is just around the corner!




Ain't this the truth! How did everyone's September go? Personally, I'm happy it's behind me and the cooler weather is here.

This will be my first IM and I've heard all year about the proverbial wall(s) we'll have to break through leading up to race day. Well, September was my wall and I slammed into it pretty hard. I had about 10 days of crappy training in the middle of the month due to travel for work. When I got home, I just wanted to sit on the couch and watch TV. I was sick of the heat, sick of training, in a bad mood, blah blah blah. I also did the Lifetime Tempe Tri (Oly) in late September which caused me to miss a big training weekend. All in all, my totals turned out ok and I'm happy I was able to shake this negative time in my journey towards being an Ironman.

September totals -

Swim - 6:29 hours, 24,675 yards
Bike - 25 hours, 381 miles
Run - 11:54 hours, 80 miles

Been in a much better mood the last couple weeks and am looking forward to a final month of HARD training. Let's do this
2013-10-02 11:23 AM
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Originally posted by 101abp40 Tons of people on the Beeline last weekend made the day fun overall. 3000m pool swim followed by 92 miles on the IM bike course, and 16mi around Tempe Town Lake (in 95 degree temps) - long day, but totally worth it. No SOMA for me this year. Plans have me doing a second race simulation the following weekend (4000m/108mi/18mi) along the course (except the swim, of course), so I decided to take SOMA off (ut will be out there with my ONE peeps volunteering and cheering). After the race sim it is 3 weeks of step-down tapering up to race week, with tons of Bikram Yoga and massages to loosen up the muscles and joints and stay limber.

Really?   Is this all in one day?  God I hope not.  My plans don't show anything like this on the schedule.  Makes me think that I am not even close.  I did have a great September of training.  Swim and Bike are strong.  Run will probably be a sufferfest but I'm sooo excited.

Holy Jesus 46 days.

2013-10-02 11:52 AM
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My Sept Totals:

September totals -

Swim - 10:25 hours, 27,350 yards
Bike - 30 hours, 517 miles
Run - 14:42 hours, 88 miles

Not fast - but in the books!

2013-10-02 12:14 PM
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My September totals. I missed my 1st swim since I started my plan. Not sweatin' it! Gettin' closer!!! Swim: 13h 53m 45s - 39000 YdBike: 27h 28m 53s - 484.95 MiRun: 15h 51m - 105.12 Mi
2013-10-02 12:40 PM
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September totals: 
Swimming - 21032 yards - 8:57:23 h:m:s
Cycling - 305.74 mi - 16:44:02 h:m:s
Running - 95.90 mi - 12:41:07 h:m:s
I have tapered for 1 week in the beginning of September for a key race that I had trained for most of the summer, which is why the bike numbers are lower than normal.

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2013-10-02 12:53 PM
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I don't record distances on everything since a lot of my swimming is masters and cycling is intervals without measured distance.

Swim: 7:47
Bike: 18:00 - Actually hopped back on the trainer for 2 minutes when I realized I was at 17:58.
Run: 12:33

Not super happy with September but I am dealing with a significant saddle issue which will require surgery though I am hoping to put that off until after the race. Redman and my injury there also dorked some things up.
2013-10-02 1:28 PM
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Here's my September:

Swim: 7h 32m 43s  - 30981.79 Yd
Bike: 17h 06m 40s  - 320.69 Mi
Run: 10h 07m 36s  - 72.33 Mi 
 
This is assuming that the upload feature from my Garmin worked correctly.  I get weird results when I upload to Training Peaks. 
2013-10-02 1:57 PM
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September was not a good month for my training. Work was all consuming, so not much in terms of training except on the weekends:

Swim: 7:10 15,500 yards
Bike: 20:45 345 miles
Run: 10:00 56 miles

Looking forward to a better month of training in October.

OMG!!! IMAZ is just around the corner!


2013-10-02 2:38 PM
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Hanging in there for September:
7:00 Swim = 19000yds; 29.2 hour bike = 499 miles; 15.5 hour run = 77 miles. Yeppers, I am mighty, mighty slow.

Bad news is my derailleur hanger fractured on my P2 turning last Saturday's 80 mile bike into a 75 bike/5 walk. Unfortunately Cervelo will not warrant the hangar on a P2. Good news is a new Shiv is waiting for pickup tonite.
2013-10-02 5:25 PM
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Now that October is here I am getting super paranoid about something happening and I'm getting overly cautious, especially on the rides.

Totals for September:
Swim: 4 hours (I have only been swimming one day a week because of a shoulder injury that probably needs surgery.)
Bike: 24 hours
Run: 11 Hours

This race can't come fast enough. Here in the north east the weather has been great but the shorter days and kid back in school is really compressing the amount of time I have available to get out during the week. Usually one of the mid week workouts has to give but I am making sure all the long rides and runs get done.

Keba


2013-10-02 9:24 PM
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Originally posted by Tryrn

I will live off of honey stinger waffles and rice things that scratch labs has a recipe for... this is why long rides with nutrition plans are HUGE part your deep weeks. The waffles are flat and fit in my tri pockets easy... i can put 10 in there if i needed to... but 5 plus a few rice cakes and then perform from the aid stations... and that hidden candy bar for that omg i need real food feeling. like it was said before it isnt much to carry and i never use a SN bag... my bento is for a second tube and my flat kit.... what is the formula... like 280 - 300 per hour on the bike you should shoot for??? everyone is different but i think that is what the standard is.... so you are looking at like 1800 cal on the bike for the average rider. That is easy to fill with the course drink and gels, bars, gu, uncrustables, delivered pizza, sushi, in n out, what every your stomach will handle.


I am also a HS Waffle fan. Since you use your bento as your flat bag where do you put all the waffles? I am guessing you wear a bike jersey rather than a tri top? My tri top pockets can fit a gu but not a waffle. Where do you put your rice cakes? Just trying to figure it all out. I don't want to stop at SN unless I need a tube. Do you only carry one extra tube? I have been using a water bottle for my 'flat bag' though I am not sure that is the best idea.





I use http://www.kiwamitri.com/product_p/kaixc.htmas my tri suit. No problem in the back pockets to fit HS waffles in them. I will put 5 in one pocket and 2 or 3 rice cakes in the other pocket. Have tested this on long rides with no issues. I hate stopping for anything once i do my legs like to revolt so i dont even pack a special needs bag. I will have 2 tubes and 2 co2. One will be under my seat with my levers and co2 all taped together.... 2nd tube will be in my bento... i have a darkspeed works bento so it doesnt hold much but it is fuctional and aero.
2013-10-02 9:26 PM
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Swim: 6h 26m 47s - 23540 Yd
Bike: 28h 37m 53s - 564.19 Mi
Run: 14h 00m 52s - 88.52 Mi

My september totals .. look much like the rest of you... pluggin along!
2013-10-02 10:35 PM
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Hey gang- if you haven't heard already, you've got a new 2 loop run course instead of the 3 loop course from prior years.

Here's a link to the new loop - IMAZ run course    It's a little easier to see if you click on layers on the left side and remove the heat map.  

 Turn by turn... 

 Exit the north side of transition
 Turn right onto Tempe Town Lake South Shore Path 
 Jest east of the Rural Bridge, make a sharp right to continue on the paved South Short Path 
 Continue East to the turn around at the pavilion at the path and McClintock Dr. 
 Head west on the cement path and then drop down to the dirt path at the first ramp. 
 Continue west on the lower dirt South Shore Path back to transition. 
 Continue West on the South Shore Path to Priest Dr. 
 Turn Right on Priest Drive 
 Turn Right on Tempe Town Lake North Shore Path 
 Turn right into the marina parking lot 
 Bear right onto the lower North Shore Path to the turn around. 
 After the turn around, head west on the upper North shore path in front of the condos/apartments. 
 Follow the path west to the marina. 
 Turn right at the marina towards route 202 underpass 
 Proceed under the 202 on E. Gilbert Dr. 
 Bear left on the canal trail 
 Turn Left on to E. Curry Road 
 Turn Left onto We. Lakeview Dr. 
 Turn Left into parking lot under 202 bridge 
 Follow parking lot west, back onto lakeview Dr. 
 Bear left onto the North Shore Path heading west 
 Turn left onto Priest Dr. 
 Turn Left on Rio Salado Parkway 
 First Lap – turn left at hardy onto the connector path which hits the South Shore path 
 Turn Left onto the South Shore Path back to transition to begin the second lap. 
 Second Lap – continue east on Rio Salado Parkway to the finish line.

Also- Tribe is hosting a supported run on the new course October 13th at 7 am.  We'll be set up at mile six (just like race day) Details can be found on our Facebook Page by clicking here
2013-10-02 11:34 PM
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Hey gang- if you haven't heard already, you've got a new 2 loop run course instead of the 3 loop course from prior years.

Here's a link to the new loop - IMAZ run course    It's a little easier to see if you click on layers on the left side and remove the heat map.  

 Turn by turn... 

 Exit the north side of transition
 Turn right onto Tempe Town Lake South Shore Path 
 Jest east of the Rural Bridge, make a sharp right to continue on the paved South Short Path 
 Continue East to the turn around at the pavilion at the path and McClintock Dr. 
 Head west on the cement path and then drop down to the dirt path at the first ramp. 
 Continue west on the lower dirt South Shore Path back to transition. 
 Continue West on the South Shore Path to Priest Dr. 
 Turn Right on Priest Drive 
 Turn Right on Tempe Town Lake North Shore Path 
 Turn right into the marina parking lot 
 Bear right onto the lower North Shore Path to the turn around. 
 After the turn around, head west on the upper North shore path in front of the condos/apartments. 
 Follow the path west to the marina. 
 Turn right at the marina towards route 202 underpass 
 Proceed under the 202 on E. Gilbert Dr. 
 Bear left on the canal trail 
 Turn Left on to E. Curry Road 
 Turn Left onto We. Lakeview Dr. 
 Turn Left into parking lot under 202 bridge 
 Follow parking lot west, back onto lakeview Dr. 
 Bear left onto the North Shore Path heading west 
 Turn left onto Priest Dr. 
 Turn Left on Rio Salado Parkway 
 First Lap – turn left at hardy onto the connector path which hits the South Shore path 
 Turn Left onto the South Shore Path back to transition to begin the second lap. 
 Second Lap – continue east on Rio Salado Parkway to the finish line.

Also- Tribe is hosting a supported run on the new course October 13th at 7 am.  We'll be set up at mile six (just like race day) Details can be found on our Facebook Page by clicking here


Already saw the new course but this is way more detailed. Thanks for the share!!!
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