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Dave Q - I put your youtube inspiration video link in my sig so I have it available at all times. I hadn't seen it since last summer but got the chills before it even started. I could watch it on a loop.


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Thor's Goals:

1)lose 2lbs...could be a challenge this week.

2)Stay consistent on workouts

3)finish the 24/31 challenge.

Originally posted by Hook'em

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Originally posted by Juancho Great race this morning: 25 km trail running in the mountains out of Madrid, 2 degrees celsius but beautiful sun! The nutrition provided at mid race was no gels or energy bars but real ham, manchego cheese, fruits and coke or beer, niiiice..... Now my whole body aches... this was the kick off for the 2016 season. Feb 1 start HIM training. Have a great Sunday! Juan
Originally posted by Qua17 Let's all be like Matt and post our goals by hitting QUOTE so it's all on the same page.
Originally posted by Tavo2311 MATT - Goals for next week: -5 total workouts -2 swims -2 weekday morning workouts before work -1 strength workout (often overlooked, gotta stop that) -Look into what is needed to properly clean my bike regularly, and get my butt to the store to purchase it. I have not been taking care of my first ever bike and that needs to change soon.
DQ - 1) Two workouts in each sport, 2) PT x5 3) Record every bleeping calorie on MFP 4) Lose two pounds (224 is the goal)
Gretchen It is the first week of classes, so I'm not sure of my time this week. It always seems that nothing goes smoothly during the first week! So, I'm setting my goals a little lower than last week. 1.) track food every day 2.) yoga 3x 3.) 3 runs, 2 swims, 2 bikes
Kyle Diving on Saturday so that is one day out of the week....and the wife is traveling for work....so just me and the kiddo....still not back to work yet so that does kind of help. 1) 2 pounds weight loss 2) 3 swim, 3 bike, 3 run 3) track food all week
6 unspecified workouts - crazy schedule so I'm leaving this a little loose this week PT 4 times - clearly 5 had discouraged me so I need to kick this.

Doug - Goals for week starting 1/18:

1) drop 2#

2) swim 10k yards

3) run 3x

4) bike 3x (35 min. sessions)

2016-01-19 3:59 PM
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Well after a hockey tournament in Golden, BC in the mountains I have hit 23/31 in workout challenge. Might have had a few too many beers this weekend..but I did get some great runs in the mountains/snow!

This is a busy week as my son has to provincial hockey games tonight and tomorrow. Plus 2 games on weekend along with 3 games for my daughter...going to be a tough fitting in workouts...

2016-01-19 4:15 PM
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Dave Q - I put your youtube inspiration video link in my sig so I have it available at all times. I hadn't seen it since last summer but got the chills before it even started. I could watch it on a loop.


I listened to it this morning on my way to the gym.... It's 4:45 am and your hand can't make it to the alarm clock before....

LOVE IT!
2016-01-19 4:17 PM
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This is a busy week as my son has to provincial hockey games tonight and tomorrow. Plus 2 games on weekend along with 3 games for my daughter...going to be a tough fitting in workouts...




Brainwashing the kids that hockey is the greatest sport in the world = worth missing a few workouts and even having to suck down a coors light penalty
2016-01-19 4:19 PM
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15/24 with a 5:30 am run this morning. Glad to get the first of two early wakeups done on Tuesday. Will try to make it 2 in a row with bike or swim on Wed morning.

-Matt


Attaboy Matt! Make it happen!


2016-01-19 4:21 PM
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After an awesome powder day Sunday I stepped in a hole in the parking lot! My knee is a little sore so I did a short swim Monday. I think I'll try to bike today for a bit or dreadmill.


Heal up quick!
2016-01-19 4:22 PM
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I had the day to end all days today. I had a crazy busy day at work (bike courier), came home, got on the trainer and did three 20minute sweet spot intervals (1.5 hours), had a small dinner, a 13 minute nap, and then had to teach a spin class at 8:30pm for an hour. I am fried right now. I ordered a pizza (running a 3000 calorie deficit right now) and might have a beer in bed. I have 14 pickups waiting for me at 8am tomorrow morning across the border in Quebec, I hope my legs will function. 

On a more interesting note, my new cycling team is sponsered by a new craft brewery in Gatineau (Quebec side of Ottawa basically) called Brasseurs de L'Outaouais. Our team is having a big event this coming Saturday where the team will be officially 'unveiled' but I can't be there because of my trip so I organized a private tour and sampling for the team this past Sunday. It was a lot of fun. Apparently at 29 I'm the oldest guy on the team so I've been nicknamed The Old Man. I really wanted a cool name but I was hoping for something more b@da$$. Ah well. Only a few guys could make it but it was nice to meet some of the other riders. (Im in the baseball T second from the left. The guy behind me is the brewmaster). 

 

 




Nice job - OLD MAN!!!
2016-01-19 7:29 PM
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16/24 with short strength session this morning before work. Doesn't count as my goal of a weekday morning workout though, because I didn't get up any earlier. Will aim for a bike ride Thursday morning to make that happen.
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Revising my goals downward - only two runs this week instead of four. Turns out I'm scheduled into conference calls every day during what would be my lunch break, so there'll be no time for running. Grrr!

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Workouts Second run for the week is in the books (My weeks are Monday to Sunday). Yesterday was 7 miles. Today was 4 miles on the treadmill. The knee still isn't perfect, it's forcing me to run more mid-foot/fore-foot but then again that's how my podiatrist tells me I should be running anyway. There's no pain so I'm going to keep on keeping on. I've played with my stride before so this isn't anything too new, but it is kinda fun to wake up some of the muscles. When you change your stride like this some of your muscles end up getting more work than they do with a normal heel-toe stride. My calves are whining and I have some blisters in new places.


2016-01-19 10:36 PM
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20/24 - 30 min run on the treadmill
2016-01-20 2:55 AM
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It's 4 am and I can't sleep. Which reminds me - anyone want to post a question of the week?
2016-01-20 6:51 AM
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Originally posted by Qua17 It's 4 am and I can't sleep. Which reminds me - anyone want to post a question of the week?

Would love to.  Some background:  I've been a runner since I joined XC in high school; never had any injury problems and we're talking like 30 years of running.  Then after a long run in 2011 my left knee swelled up.  After a misinformed scoping surgery and lots of trial and error I figured out it was an IT band issue, so foam rolling does the trick to keep me running.  HOWEVER, I know that the way I was running before was straight-out stupid:  4 miles hard one day, random 9 miles easy - no real training pattern.

So the question:  What running schedule/plan do you use to effectively improve on your running WITHOUT getting injured??

2016-01-20 9:06 AM
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16/24 so far (17 if I count scraping popcorn).

The week rounded out well - 3 runs, 2 swims, 2 bikes and a lifting session in there. PT was sporadic again - don't know what my deal is with this. I am trying to do it from memory (can't find my printouts - will call the PT and have him email them to me).
I'm going to see if we have a Schlitz in the fridge - that should work for both CLP's I've suffered for my poor PT performance.

Big push on the house project this week - lots of painting coming in a hurry starting mid-week. I also start teaching class tomorrow. For this week I will say I'd like to get 6 workouts in. With my crazy schedule I will be very happy with that. I would LOVE to be in the pool everyday but that won't happen until I don't have to babysit workmen at my house....so close to being done I can almost smell the new carpet..


Nice work on the week Jenn! I've made it my goal to do PT 5x this week. Wanna go head to head. I'll bet you a four pack of Jack's Abby for a 4 of HT. You only pay up if you don't reach your goal. Are you in? Come on - I want some Heady!


You are on! i only signed up for 4 though. Knocked one out last night - PT, not a Heady. hahaha
2016-01-20 9:10 AM
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19/24 out of 31 as of yesterday.
30 minute run followed immediately by 2400 yds
off to teach, then brief a student, then fly with another one, back home for an hour then basketball for both kids tonight at 2 different venues and 2 different but overlapping times. I'd like to ride today but boy it's going to be tight.
Dave....I WILL do my PT...while watching Arrow!


2016-01-20 9:14 AM
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Originally posted by Qua17 It's 4 am and I can't sleep. Which reminds me - anyone want to post a question of the week?

Would love to.  Some background:  I've been a runner since I joined XC in high school; never had any injury problems and we're talking like 30 years of running.  Then after a long run in 2011 my left knee swelled up.  After a misinformed scoping surgery and lots of trial and error I figured out it was an IT band issue, so foam rolling does the trick to keep me running.  HOWEVER, I know that the way I was running before was straight-out stupid:  4 miles hard one day, random 9 miles easy - no real training pattern.

So the question:  What running schedule/plan do you use to effectively improve on your running WITHOUT getting injured??




Recently - due to a knee injury last year - I started doing a little run/walking per the Galloway program. I run a mile, walk 30 sec-1 minute and do that for the duration. No issues. I normally will do 2-3 runs during the week at 3, maybe 4 miles then do a longer run on the weekend. I do one speed workout during the week and make sure my long run is an easy pace. You have more experience running than I do in terms of racing - I ran to stay in shape for soccer, basketball, and softball and it wasn't until the last 15 years did i start entering races.

Oh, the other thing i've done is go to a PT who works in correcting posture and muscle imbalances. I found out I have weak glute meds and run slightly sideways so was using too much right adductor and quads to run - fatigued and my knee would hurt. I get swelling around my IT band on the outside of my right knee - big enough pockets they used cortisone to bring the swelling down.

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2016-01-20 9:21 AM
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I hit my Jan goal weight this morning- now the likelihood of staying there is low so I have to keep pushing- it just jumps all over the place.

For running I joined a coached program last year and was amazed at how much run/walk and intervals improved my running. It was a huge difference from just grinding out 9-10 minute miles. I could ramp more by adding walks in and get a better workout into a shorter period of time with intervals.

I just followed what they sent out though and did at workouts - so I'm not sure of the science behind it. I hope someone has a good suggestion for plans!

I walked 2 miles yesterday to test out the knee (and I'm calling it a workout!) It feels good - so I'll push it a little more today.

Have a good Wednesday everyone!
2016-01-20 10:05 AM
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21/24 - 22 min swim....swimming everyday seems to be a good thing...getting more comfortable...still a lot to work on.


As for me I just within the last year started doing all of this. I was primarily a diver and needed a way to stay in shape for the type of diving I am doing. So for me it was the C25K program is where I started. Right now I am just working on my endurance so it is a 30 min run most days just judging on how I feel. yesterday I was able to run the whole thing....some days I might have to throw a walk in there to slow the heartrate down a little.
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Kyle- is there a HR range you target? I've thought about doing a more HR based training program.
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There's a HUGE thread on heart rate training in the general forums (I can't remember what it's called, "220 - Age" something or other). Someone should probably fact check me here, but if I remember correctly you want to be doing the majority of your training in zone 2, around 85-90% of your functional threshold, with occasional hard workouts in zone 4, 95-100%. Your threshold is the average heart rate over the last 20 minutes of an all-out half hour run.

I'll also admit that I'm terrible at following that advice, and do most of my runs in the middle. It's so much easier on the trainer where I just do what the computer tells me.

-Dennis


2016-01-20 1:26 PM
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16/24 so far (17 if I count scraping popcorn).

The week rounded out well - 3 runs, 2 swims, 2 bikes and a lifting session in there. PT was sporadic again - don't know what my deal is with this. I am trying to do it from memory (can't find my printouts - will call the PT and have him email them to me).
I'm going to see if we have a Schlitz in the fridge - that should work for both CLP's I've suffered for my poor PT performance.

Big push on the house project this week - lots of painting coming in a hurry starting mid-week. I also start teaching class tomorrow. For this week I will say I'd like to get 6 workouts in. With my crazy schedule I will be very happy with that. I would LOVE to be in the pool everyday but that won't happen until I don't have to babysit workmen at my house....so close to being done I can almost smell the new carpet..


Nice work on the week Jenn! I've made it my goal to do PT 5x this week. Wanna go head to head. I'll bet you a four pack of Jack's Abby for a 4 of HT. You only pay up if you don't reach your goal. Are you in? Come on - I want some Heady!


You are on! i only signed up for 4 though. Knocked one out last night - PT, not a Heady. hahaha


One like Donkey Kong. I'm at 3 of 5. I will do one write after I hit submit. I can almost smell those hops!
2016-01-20 1:34 PM
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Originally posted by Qua17 It's 4 am and I can't sleep. Which reminds me - anyone want to post a question of the week?

Would love to.  Some background:  I've been a runner since I joined XC in high school; never had any injury problems and we're talking like 30 years of running.  Then after a long run in 2011 my left knee swelled up.  After a misinformed scoping surgery and lots of trial and error I figured out it was an IT band issue, so foam rolling does the trick to keep me running.  HOWEVER, I know that the way I was running before was straight-out stupid:  4 miles hard one day, random 9 miles easy - no real training pattern.

So the question:  What running schedule/plan do you use to effectively improve on your running WITHOUT getting injured??




I am always on IR and so I'm constantly trying new things to avoid injuring myself in the part of the sport that I love so much. To avoid injury, I:

- choose plans with 2 weeks of going hard followed by 1 week of recovery instead of those with 3
- I change my shoes regularly and run in several different pairs so my body doesn't get overly used to one pair
- I roll like it's my job
- While I curse my roller (if it doesn't hurt, you're not doing it right), ice is my best friend.
- ICE BATHS
- I try to do all my runs on paths instead of sidewalks or concrete
- I sometimes will divide long runs into two sessions - one in the morning and the second in the evenings
- I train conservatively - nothing more than a 5% increase
- I aqua jog when I'm feeling sore
- I've learned that most of my issues are due to muscle imbalances and so I do PT almost every day
- Yoga! Yoga Yoga!
2016-01-20 2:25 PM
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24/24 (all S/B/R) with Noon 3200 yard swim.

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Originally posted by Fourteenkittens There's a HUGE thread on heart rate training in the general forums (I can't remember what it's called, "220 - Age" something or other). Someone should probably fact check me here, but if I remember correctly you want to be doing the majority of your training in zone 2, around 85-90% of your functional threshold, with occasional hard workouts in zone 4, 95-100%. Your threshold is the average heart rate over the last 20 minutes of an all-out half hour run. I'll also admit that I'm terrible at following that advice, and do most of my runs in the middle. It's so much easier on the trainer where I just do what the computer tells me. -Dennis

 

This is somewhat accurate. Perhaps its time for a small crash course in HR training since there are many new faces this year. (zone 2 is actually around 65% of LTHR)

Basics of HR training:

1) Never use any kind of age based calculation to determine max hr or training zones (e.g. 220-age) HR zones are based largely on fitness and genetics. These kinds of calculations do not work. Don't even worry about max HR. It's incredibly difficult to determine. You have to basically train yourself in order to be able to do it. Most triathletes don't do enough high intensity training to even be able to sustain the kinds of efforts required to elevate the heart rate to max. Besides it doesn't really tell you much (unless you're interested in HR reserve, i.e. difference between resting and max, which is nice but not really useful to training.

2) There is a difference between running LTHR and cycling LTHR (LTHR = lactate threshold heart rate. It is often considered to be your average heart for a 20 minute fitness test. I'll go into that more below). You use different muscles in different ways during cycling and running and depending on the conditioning of those muscles will determine how efficiently you can process oxygen. Someone who rides a lot but doesn't run very much (like me) will have a better LTHR for cycling than running. 

3) To determine zones, a 20-30 min test is usually used. Joe Friel's test (in the Training Bibles) usually wants you to take the average of the last 20minutes of an all out 30min effort. I prefer to take the middle 20 (5-25min region) because people tend to start increasing their output towards the end of a test and this usually skews the average upward a little (when in fact a more accurate reading would skew your average lower). *update* To determine zones from the number you get as your LTHR, you need find a calculator. Personally I like Joe Friel's running zones and Coggan and Allen's cycling zones. If you have Training Peaks, you can plug the number in and it will give you the exact HR values. Otherwise you can google search, 'joe friel's running/cycling HR zones' or something along those lines and find the percentages of LTHR for each zone and work it out yourself.

4) The common practice for endurance athletes is lots of zone 2 work. Joe Friel is a big proponent of this. Unfortunately it requires a significant amount of time and yields very low results. Once you hit about 1.5-2 hours of zone 2 riding/running, there is no point in continuing to do it. Doing 2 hours of Z2 week after week will not make you a better rider/runner. Z2 efforts rely on volume. You need to continually increase the length of time you do Z2 efforts in order for them to have any effect. If you don't increase volume regularly, you'll actually start to detrain and will get slower. Big Z2 endurance plans are really only good for top end athletes who need to eek out the last few watts to reach their physiological potential. Most age groupers are relatively under developed and will see much better results with other types of training. 

5) What other types of training? Sweet spot training. The 'sweet spot' is roughly 80-95% of LTHR. This is the best type of workout to do if you are a time crunched athlete (i.e. often have less than 2 hours to ride the bike or run). Start with 10-12 minute intervals keeping your HR in this range. 5minute rest interval in between. Work up to 20minute intervals with 7minutes of rest in between (rest = running/riding easy or zone 1/2). This will yield the highest amount of endurance and speed/strength. 

6) Cardiac drift! The problem with HR training is a phenomenon called cardiac drift. This happens when you do a long or hard workout. Even though your speed/power/etc stays the same your HR gradually starts to climb. This is why HR with power (on the bike) or GAP (grade adjusted pace on the run) is most beneficial. If you're using a trainer, you can work around this by get your HR up to the target for the interval and checking your speed or cadence. Once you've done that, keep an eye on HR towards the end of the workout and keep an eye on cadence and speed. If your HR starts to elevate but your cad/spd is the same, don't back off to stay 'in the zone' just keep going. You can do the same on the treadmill for running. As for outdoors, the only way to do this is to use a power meter or GAP running watch. *Grade adjusted pace basically tells you what your pace would be if you were running on flat ground (it uses an algorithm based on the current incline of the terrain your running on, which is usually determined by an onboard alitimeter, and your current pace). It's a bit like power for running because its an objective measurement. 

7) Never compare HRs with other people. It's not an objective measure of fitness. Some people operate with very low HRs, others with high HRs. HR is only useful as a relative measurement. I.e. if you run/ride faster at the same HR and your perceived effort is the same, you have gained fitness. If your pace is slower at the same HR than it was a week ago (for example) and your perceived effort is greater (i.e. it feels harder) then you have either lost fitness or are fatigued. 

8) Don't bother using HR if you are doing high intensity intervals lasting less than 3 minutes. HR lags behind too much to be of any use in these types of situations. 

Feel free to ask questions. That's all I can think of for now. 



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