SWBKRUN Mentor Group-"Off Season?" What is that?!! (Page 166)

BigReub - 2009-07-16 9:27 AM First thing this morning I have to says THANKS.  Thanks to all of you for the power you provide.  Last night at the 2 mile mark of a 6 miler I was hurting.  Trying to decide to walk or call my wife.  But I kept thinking Andy, Tony, Trevor, etc busted their tails, they hurt themselves today - I will too.  I finished, but well short of my target time.  Anyhow, I'm pretty confident that without this group I would have been walking.  Thanks.

Now to a question...The goal pace for this 6 miles was 10:23/mile.  I couldn't do that so I finished it at about 10:40 with miles 3, 4, and 5 at 11:00/mile.  So my question is this...when doing long runs is it better to stay near the goal pace?  Or simply get the miles in regardless of pace?

And it took until this morning to figure out the problem.  For some reason my wife made dinner at 4:30, a 2 hour softball practice at 6:30, and absolutely nothing to eat in the 5 hours before running.

sdalessio - 2009-07-16 9:05 AM

On a totally different subject - it is another boring day on the Tour de France.  I've been live listening at work and they are still -footing around on the flats.  I'm waiting for the Alps and some kick a$s action.  Forget the team stuff, I want to see Lance, Alberto, Levi and that other Astanti dude throw down the gloves and race each other up the mountains.  I'll bet they can leave the rest of the field in the dust.

I may have to tune into the Open instead and see if Tiger's hitting the ball well.

BigReub - 2009-07-16 8:27 AM First thing this morning I have to says THANKS.  Thanks to all of you for the power you provide.  Last night at the 2 mile mark of a 6 miler I was hurting.  Trying to decide to walk or call my wife.  But I kept thinking Andy, Tony, Trevor, etc busted their tails, they hurt themselves today - I will too.  I finished, but well short of my target time.  Anyhow, I'm pretty confident that without this group I would have been walking.  Thanks.

Now to a question...The goal pace for this 6 miles was 10:23/mile.  I couldn't do that so I finished it at about 10:40 with miles 3, 4, and 5 at 11:00/mile.  So my question is this...when doing long runs is it better to stay near the goal pace?  Or simply get the miles in regardless of pace?

And it took until this morning to figure out the problem.  For some reason my wife made dinner at 4:30, a 2 hour softball practice at 6:30, and absolutely nothing to eat in the 5 hours before running.

Havin'Fun - 2009-07-16 5:42 AM

Who's racing this weekend?
Kim, Steve.......anyone????


If not racing, who has really cool plans?  

sdalessio - 2009-07-16 7:05 AM

On a totally different subject - it is another boring day on the Tour de France.  I've been live listening at work and they are still -footing around on the flats.  I'm waiting for the Alps and some kick a$s action.  Forget the team stuff, I want to see Lance, Alberto, Levi and that other Astanti dude throw down the gloves and race each other up the mountains.  I'll bet they can leave the rest of the field in the dust.

I may have to tune into the Open instead and see if Tiger's hitting the ball well.

TrevorC - 2009-07-16 9:06 AM
I have an OLy this weekend. 2nd one, going to travel in the car with the girls for 3 1/2 hrs tomorrow for it. Really looking forward to that drive. Supposed to be hot. Like low 90's. For me that will be hot. So get hydrated now!!! Then back in town for a few days, and then we are hitting the inlaws cabin for all of next week.

TrevorC - 2009-07-16 9:10 AM He's not... But what about Steve Stricker? Dude has been so consistent lately. He's a WISC. boy Suzy!

tahrens - 2009-07-16 8:43 AM

The one good thing about the flat stages is you get to admire Mark Cavendish, Thor Hushoff (sp?) and Boonen flexing those amazing quads at the end!   I think one of Thor's quads is the size of both of mine put together!   Yummy!!!!

tahrens - 2009-07-16 7:41 AM

Reuben,

I am by no means a running expert, but I keep about the same speeds as you so here is my 2 cents.  First of all, there is no shame in taking walk breaks!  Often times they will improve your overall performance and pace.  There are numberous respected running coaches that recommend  a run/walk training program for runners.  Personally I have found that taking a few walking breaks  accomplishes several things for me, 1) it allows my heart rate to drop, 2) I can catch my breath, 3) good absorption of liquids during that break, 4) it allows me to hold a steadier pace.  Think about it, what is the benefit of the first few miles being at pace or faster if you have to do 15min/miles the rest of the way b/c you had to walk the whole thing?  If you do a run/walk combo you may add 10sec onto you lap pace but you'll be able to hold that pace the entire distance.

But to answer your question directly, I go for completing the distance, not the pace, providing that was a distance goal workout.  Obviously doing sprint work you want to focus on speed, not distance.  But to increase your distance endurance go for completing the distance regardless of pace. 

sdalessio - 2009-07-16 10:12 AM

Yeah I saw Tiger had 2 bogeys late.  What about the old boy - Tom Watson!  Shot a 65.

Havin'Fun - 2009-07-16 9:20 AM Rueben,  Congrats on getting it done! Way to stay strong!!  I agree with everyone who has chimed in.   Get your miles in.
There are so many things that can affect the pacing on any given day (I think you may have identified the problem).  Not giving up was a huge hurdle and you did it.  Pacing will come.  As the late Jimmy V said "Dont give up...don't ever give up!"

BigReub - 2009-07-16 10:53 AM Trevor, kick some tail in the Oly.

Thanks for the input concerning mileage vs pace.  Tony, I am using a Runner's World plan and I really like it.  It had me at 10:23/mile on this run.  Unfortunately I'm behind on that plan due to hours and hours of baseball.  Next time my wife has dinner at 4:30 I just have to be sure to eat again if I run at 10pm.

BigReub - 2009-07-16 8:27 AM First thing this morning I have to says THANKS.  Thanks to all of you for the power you provide.  Last night at the 2 mile mark of a 6 miler I was hurting.  Trying to decide to walk or call my wife.  But I kept thinking Andy, Tony, Trevor, etc busted their tails, they hurt themselves today - I will too.  I finished, but well short of my target time.  Anyhow, I'm pretty confident that without this group I would have been walking.  Thanks.

Now to a question...The goal pace for this 6 miles was 10:23/mile.  I couldn't do that so I finished it at about 10:40 with miles 3, 4, and 5 at 11:00/mile.  So my question is this...when doing long runs is it better to stay near the goal pace?  Or simply get the miles in regardless of pace?

And it took until this morning to figure out the problem.  For some reason my wife made dinner at 4:30, a 2 hour softball practice at 6:30, and absolutely nothing to eat in the 5 hours before running.

Havin'Fun - 2009-07-16 6:42 AM

Who's racing this weekend?
Kim, Steve.......anyone????


If not racing, who has really cool plans?  

Havin'Fun - 2009-07-16 4:42 AM

Who's racing this weekend?
Kim, Steve.......anyone????


If not racing, who has really cool plans?  

cadmus - 2009-07-16 11:24 AM

Cool Plans.  Crab season opened this week so I'm heading out on the boat with my FIL to catch some Dungeness............ I <3 Crab!  A day on the water will be nice too.

dalessit - 2009-07-16 9:37 AM Someone buy this so it doesn't stare at me...

http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=168529&posts=3#M2289276

TrevorC - 2009-07-16 11:47 AM
The Garmin Edge 705 and the cadense...only $450 dude do it.

dalessit - 2009-07-16 9:53 AM

That would mean I have to wait on a new front wheel, which is why I want one of you to buy it.

Biggie it also comes with all the maps and SD card...

TrevorC - 2009-07-16 11:57 AM
What if you log in as Sam, and sent him the note of interest. Would it make you feel better that her ID bought it?