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Memarshall80 - 2010-12-28 7:59 PM

I may be a little late to the party on this question.

My biggest concern is choosing the correct training plan. Being that I have ZERO experience with endurance training I am worried I may burn myself out in 2 months.

During my football days, I was always taught to give 100% on every rep and go as far and fast as possible. After reading many of your posts, I am seeing a lot of chat about peaking, etc….

So, if anyone has any recollection of what there first training plan looked like, your feedback would be greatly appreciated!!!

Kerrdog79 - 2010-12-28 5:33 PM

I have 2. 

First I want to be sure I find a balance between being a new dad and a new triathlete. 

Second I want to get better at running.  Currently I cannot run a full 5k without walking.  I completed my first tri and swam 1:30 better than I trained and biked right about spot on where I expected but my run was all intervals of run/walk.

sstucker - 2010-12-28 2:37 PM

OWS for an oly or him race...fear

cbarnes1 - 2010-12-28 9:27 PM John - So is there any other recovery drink?  So what is the story on the MG Triathlon?  Miss you guys!  
 

SSMinnow - 2010-12-28 9:28 PM

Great question!!  I would love to forward you my first plan for my SUPER SPRINT, but I didn't have one.  I was already a runner, so I biked a rail trail and tried to swim 25y at a time.  I didn't know diddly about peaking, siting or the like.  Since you are doing a Sprint on 7/23, I am guessing a beginners plan from BT would be a good place to start.  A little tough for me to know since I don't see logged workouts.  Will you be doing that in the new year?  Always helpful for the crew to give advice based on the data!

I think the fact you recognize burn out could be an issue is a big start.  Start slowly, you have months to get yourself ready for that first event!

kkcbelle - 2010-12-28 7:08 PM


So I just gotta ask... What's the story behind GrapeJuice??

badgerintx - 2010-12-28 8:30 PM

Only concern so far...Way to early in the season to stress about anything.... is:

Beating Tony off the Bike at Rev3 in Knoxville.....since we are now in the same AG!
(still considering doing the HIM just to avoid the possibility of a full season of trash talk!!) 

SSMinnow - 2010-12-28 12:05 PM Hi Peeps......Question Ahead:

Think hard, what's the one concern you have going into the '11 season????  Maybe the brainiacs of the group can help (and yes, Fatty that also includes you!)

mike6232 - 2010-12-28 2:07 PM Wow I did not know that there was so much to think about when you train and when you race.  This spring will be my first attempt at a triathlon race.  So far I have just run 2 5K runs.  I was thinking that I would just make my first attempt at a sprint tri around March or April and then just go from there and see how I felt.  I know all of you are doing longer races and timing may not matter as much with a sprint.  Should I have some type of plan on sprint races (when and how far apart) or does it not matter as much whith the short races?

dalessit - 2010-12-28 10:23 PM

I think we all started there, I know I did.  Don't get hung up on how long your race is vs what others are doing.  When I first started, doing a sprint distance seemed as crazy as doing an 140.3.  I was so worried I wouldn't be able to finish the 300M pool swim.  LOL my first OWS sprint 28 minutes for 750 meters, I actually tried to quit but no one saw me so I had to finish the swim...

A sprint triathlon is as much as a triathlon as doing any other distance, if it's new to you it's still hard.  When you get faster sprints will be the races that if done correctly will probably hurt the most during the actual race.

So now that we have that settled. 

I would check out the sprint plans here on BT, you can import them into your logs, set one up that ends with your first race.  That should get you to the race at a pretty decent spot.  Don't worry if you can't get the swim/bike/run distances in the plan done in the time the plan provides.  I used to never come close to the swim times, but still swam the time that was listed in the plan and didn't worry about distance as much.

Sprints are not going to take as long to recover from so you could schedule something closer than say if you were doing Half Iron or Iron Man distance races.  Some of what we were talking about earlier is being tapered for "A" races which basically means you punish your body for 20 weeks, give a week or two for your body to recover and "add" all that fitness gained during the training and arrive at the race in your best form.

For the first year at least I woudn't worry as much about A vs. B vs. C races, just go have fun and get some experience.  Figure out what your weaknesses are, figure out how races work, etc.

dalessit - 2010-12-28 8:23 PM

I think we all started there, I know I did.  Don't get hung up on how long your race is vs what others are doing.  When I first started, doing a sprint distance seemed as crazy as doing an 140.3.  I was so worried I wouldn't be able to finish the 300M pool swim.  LOL my first OWS sprint 28 minutes for 750 meters, I actually tried to quit but no one saw me so I had to finish the swim...

A sprint triathlon is as much as a triathlon as doing any other distance, if it's new to you it's still hard.  When you get faster sprints will be the races that if done correctly will probably hurt the most during the actual race.

So now that we have that settled. 

I would check out the sprint plans here on BT, you can import them into your logs, set one up that ends with your first race.  That should get you to the race at a pretty decent spot.  Don't worry if you can't get the swim/bike/run distances in the plan done in the time the plan provides.  I used to never come close to the swim times, but still swam the time that was listed in the plan and didn't worry about distance as much.

Sprints are not going to take as long to recover from so you could schedule something closer than say if you were doing Half Iron or Iron Man distance races.  Some of what we were talking about earlier is being tapered for "A" races which basically means you punish your body for 20 weeks, give a week or two for your body to recover and "add" all that fitness gained during the training and arrive at the race in your best form.

For the first year at least I woudn't worry as much about A vs. B vs. C races, just go have fun and get some experience.  Figure out what your weaknesses are, figure out how races work, etc.

SSMinnow - 2010-12-29 1:05 AM Hi Peeps......Question Ahead:

Think hard, what's the one concern you have going into the '11 season????  Maybe the brainiacs of the group can help (and yes, Fatty that also includes you!)

SSMinnow - 2010-12-28 11:05 AM Hi Peeps......Question Ahead:

Think hard, what's the one concern you have going into the '11 season????  Maybe the brainiacs of the group can help (and yes, Fatty that also includes you!)

Plainsman AU - 2010-12-28 8:59 PM I think I am in the same camp with many of the other MGers.  I think balancing life and IM training will be one of the things I need to focus on for '11.  Summer here gets very busy as lake time and cold beer cuts in to training time and I need to make IM a priority and I WILL this year. 

Last year I got derailed from training seriously during the summer and I can't let that happen again.

Techdiver - 2010-12-28 11:36 PM

Great Question. Wow miss a few days and 15 pages show up..lol

I think I would like to improve on my times from the two little races I did. But that will be hard to tell because I plan on doing two sprints this year.

I had issues on both Try a Tri's with my Runs. I could run the distance on each event but I blew up on both of them. My first one was a 2.5km run and I walked about 1km of it. I had just started my journey and could only run 3km total on my own at the time. My second was 2.5km again and I walked 3 times for about 30 seconds each time. I dropped my Garmin off my bike and left it and ran without it. I went out too hard into my run. I also went from top 10 over all down to 38th or something on the run. I was like 50th on the run alone. So I am really aware of where I LOST my race. I don't care where I place over all, because it is me against me, but it showed where everyone caught me (where I need to improve) the run. 
 
I rely on my Garmin for pacing REALLY BADLY. without it I push too hard too fast and I always Blow up, gas out whatever you want to call it.

I really want to improve on my self awareness/pacing. Along with improve my distance and running speed. I can run 10km although I have only done it a few times. I back my pace off and I can do it. But I have yet to really improve on my 5km time. I was running 8 min/km I am now in the 6:30-6:40 min/km range and that is pushing and I can't seem to get faster then this. For 7-10km runs I run at 7 min/km pace.

So I would like to find a way to improve on this. And I would like to build up to a half marathon distance for the spring.

Plainsman AU - 2010-12-28 11:22 PM

ROLLCALL FOR THE REV 3


Who from the MG is in?  I am going to do a half around May and was going to do the Gulf Coast as a prep for IM, but considering Knoxville to party with the MG. 

Techdiver - 2010-12-28 9:36 PM

Great Question. Wow miss a few days and 15 pages show up..lol

I think I would like to improve on my times from the two little races I did. But that will be hard to tell because I plan on doing two sprints this year.

I had issues on both Try a Tri's with my Runs. I could run the distance on each event but I blew up on both of them. My first one was a 2.5km run and I walked about 1km of it. I had just started my journey and could only run 3km total on my own at the time. My second was 2.5km again and I walked 3 times for about 30 seconds each time. I dropped my Garmin off my bike and left it and ran without it. I went out too hard into my run. I also went from top 10 over all down to 38th or something on the run. I was like 50th on the run alone. So I am really aware of where I LOST my race. I don't care where I place over all, because it is me against me, but it showed where everyone caught me (where I need to improve) the run. 
 
I rely on my Garmin for pacing REALLY BADLY. without it I push too hard too fast and I always Blow up, gas out whatever you want to call it.

I really want to improve on my self awareness/pacing. Along with improve my distance and running speed. I can run 10km although I have only done it a few times. I back my pace off and I can do it. But I have yet to really improve on my 5km time. I was running 8 min/km I am now in the 6:30-6:40 min/km range and that is pushing and I can't seem to get faster then this. For 7-10km runs I run at 7 min/km pace.

So I would like to find a way to improve on this. And I would like to build up to a half marathon distance for the spring.

kt65 - 2010-12-29 7:48 AM Hey Spanky,
Do you have a Garmin that shows heart rate, too?  And if so, have you been monitoring your HR as well as your pace?  I have one screen that I set to just show current HR, lap time and lap distance, and average lap HR.  This takes away the distraction of looking at the pace.  Perhaps on some of your training runs, you could run with RPE (rate of perceived exertion), or by HR if you do train by heartrate and then look at your pace afterwards?  I actually started doing this last year when I just couldn't seem to get my heartrate into the proper zone and realized it was a mental block for me because the pace was faster/slower than what my mind was saying I should be doing.

If you have any questions about heartrate training, feel free to ask, lots of us in the MG train by heartrate.  I personally think it has helped me get my run times way down...but initially I think I felt slow while training, but it was important to build up an endurance base.