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2012-04-17 1:45 PM
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mikar_68 - 2012-04-17 9:56 AM

I am new to this group so could someone please explain the challenge you are talking about? This sounds interesting and I would like to take the challenge with you.

On another note...I activated all the rich text settings and still can't get the weight chart edited. I know this should be easy, but still not getting it. Sorry and thank you in advance for the help.

As stolen from the last mentoring group:

May Challenge Rules:

"The winner is the one with the most workouts in a month, each workout at least 30' each.

A "week" is Sunday to Saturday. March has four weeks preceded by three days (Thursday March 1 through Saturday March 3). During each of the official four weeks, you can only count the workouts from 6 days. You can work out all seven if you want, but the workouts from only six days (your choice) go toward your total.

S/B/R is a workout. Supporting stuff (like weights) does not count.

You cannot break a workout in 30' blocks to get more in one day (example breaking a four hour ride into eight workouts). Not more than one session of each sport in a day, so the max for one day is three workouts, assuming you did a swim, a ride and a run each longer than 30'. 

You get one point per session. Max points possible for the month will be 3 x 27 = 81. Tie breaker is overall training time."

Proposed reporting format:

Mitch - Swim X; Bike X; Run X; Total X; Minutes XX:XX:XX

May I suggest that due to how the weeks are structured in May that participants are required to take off (or not count) workouts for 4 days....1 each in each of the three full weeks (Sun thru Sat) in May and 1 additional day off in either of the 2 partial weeks.  You still end up with maximum points of 3*27 = 81.  You can always take extra days off.  If you are racing a tri the positive is you earn three points (I move that if your time in any leg of a Triathlon is less than 30 minutes that you get a point for that discipline for racing...do I have a second on that motion?)



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dangremond - 2012-04-17 1:45 PM

I move that if your time in any leg of a Triathlon is less than 30 minutes that you get a point for that discipline for racing...do I have a second on that motion?

I'll second that, but it's a tough one.  May 5 I've got a sprint tri with a 600 yard pool swim that I'll finish in just over 9 minutes.  The bike and the run (13 mile and 5k) will be alot closer to that real workout feeling, but the swim I'm not sure.

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CompetitorStarting weightCurrent weight% change
Rachel77.3kg77.2kg-0.13%
Kevin112.3kg112.0kg-0.27%
Charlotte139137-1.4%
Mitch162.6160.4-1.4%
Chris171.2169.6-.9%
Ernesto182.6 0%
Jim171169-1.1%
Barry215213-1%
Alexandre77,2 kg (18,6%BF)75.8kg (18%bf)(-0.6%BF)
Luis243.2240.6-1.1%
Matthew92.5KG92.0kg0.5%
Owen200202+1%
Adrian177.5(10%BF) 0%
Ted183184+.09%
Mike203 0%
Marcia143.6143.7+0.07%
Justin203 0%
David228226-0.8%
Gabe156158+1.3%
Mark171.2173.2+1.17%
Deb172.8 0%
Mike L190 0%
Lynne143.3 0%

 Weighed myself Sunday but haven't had a chance to login til today......unfortunately, going in the wrong direction.

2012-04-17 2:01 PM
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Congrats to all who raced this weekend. Great results.

 

So, I'm starting Phil Maffetone's 2 week carb test tomorrow and was curious if anyone else has taken this and what the results were? 2 weeks w/out pizza or beer, oh the horror!!

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Sammeg - 2012-04-17 2:01 PM

Congrats to all who raced this weekend. Great results.

 

So, I'm starting Phil Maffetone's 2 week carb test tomorrow and was curious if anyone else has taken this and what the results were? 2 weeks w/out pizza or beer, oh the horror!!

during the first few days you may feel weak and depleted, that is a sign of a high level of addiction to carbs. After that, you will feel increasingly better until you feel great, you're probably going to lose some weight too. It is important that you stick to the test, and that you don't do any hard workouts during the two weeks, just use the 180-age at ALL times.
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ernestov - 2012-04-17 2:10 PM
Sammeg - 2012-04-17 2:01 PM

 

 

So, I'm starting Phil Maffetone's 2 week carb test tomorrow and was curious if anyone else has taken this and what the results were? 2 weeks w/out pizza or beer, oh the horror!!

during the first few days you may feel weak and depleted, that is a sign of a high level of addiction to carbs. After that, you will feel increasingly better until you feel great, you're probably going to lose some weight too. It is important that you stick to the test, and that you don't do any hard workouts during the two weeks, just use the 180-age at ALL times.

I became very dizzy and weak. but like Ernesto said NO HARD WORKOUTS.  Drink plenty of water and remember that you can eat plenty, just not the bad carbs.  The greatest thing I took from it was that any time I eat the bad cards I feel like a whale now and can jump up 8lbs.  as soon as I'm back on track, the weight drops back and and my energy comes back.



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chris2533 - 2012-04-16 8:37 PM I say we just declare Gabe the winner and leave it at that.

LOL Chris Laughing  This May challenge has already someone else's name on it!  I will go into taper right before my IM race on May 19th and then probably will have to take some time off to recover.

To all the new members of the group, these monthly challenges are not only a lot of fun, but also a great source of motivation into getting your multiple workouts done every day.  The daily reporting of your activities provides accountability and also generates important feedback from the other members, so I highly recommend that you choose to participate. 

 

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chris2533 - 2012-04-16 8:37 PM I say we just declare Gabe the winner and leave it at that.

LOL Chris Laughing  This May challenge has already someone else's name on it!  I will go into taper right before my IM race on May 19th and then probably will have to take some time off to recover.

To all the new members of the group, these monthly challenges are not only a lot of fun, but also a great source of motivation into getting your multiple workouts done every day.  The daily reporting of your activities provides accountability and also generates important feedback from the other members, so I highly recommend that you choose to participate. 

 

  Gabe I think even in your taper weeks you will be doing more then we do on a good week. Cool
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question: based on everyones sprint pool experiences, what 100yd swim time should I post?

My race is under two weeks away, at the start of the year I posted 2:10 for 100yds, over the weeks it has steadily dropped down but what should I update it to?

After my warm up and drills of 300yds, I just swam a MS of 4x200 with 50s rests. For each I averaged between 1:35 and 1:40.

So do I post a lower time and get passed or post a higher time and wait behind slower swimmers?

From experience do people genuinely post coorect times or are you always runnin ginto 'slower' swimmers?

thanks, Mark

2012-04-17 8:05 PM
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Alright, I've been somewhat MIA since my trip to Michigan last week.  Had a great time and, Jim, you were right, Auburn Hills is a great venue (also second row in the front didn't hurt).  

I've made all my workouts so far this week, but work has been nuts for the last two days.  I've been starting to take some of my training into the anaerobic phase.  Did 2 hrs on the trainer today with 3 x 12 minutes (3 x 2' @ 95%FTP and 3 x 2 @ 110% of FTP). Felt good to get to that burn/uncomfortable feeling a bit.  15 mile run tomorrow will all be at MAF, but the humidity may push it over.  

I'll play the May challenge, but I will be in taper mode the final week.  Sunday will be 7 weeks until my A race.  All of the doubts and insecurities are starting to rear their heads again. 

2012-04-17 8:09 PM
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Sammeg - 2012-04-17 3:01 PM

Congrats to all who raced this weekend. Great results.

 

So, I'm starting Phil Maffetone's 2 week carb test tomorrow and was curious if anyone else has taken this and what the results were? 2 weeks w/out pizza or beer, oh the horror!!

I dropped 6-8 pounds in 10 days and my body fat dropped as well.  At first, you will notice changes in moods and may feel very out of sorts.  It takes about a week to figure it out.  I gave up after 12 days as I had a good picture as to how my body reacted.  

Remember, Dr. Maffetone does permit certain distilled spirits in lieu of beer.



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markz - 2012-04-16 1:32 PM
mikar_68 - 2012-04-16 9:18 AM

Had my first sprint yesterday and was able to get my first PR of the year. Last year I finished it in 1:36:22 and this year I completed it in 1:10:58. I can now see that the hard work is paying off.

This has given me the motivation to keep pushing myself. Just wanted to share..

Wow, great improvement!!!

x2 Way to go!!!

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Race report is up!  Thanks Mark.

http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=435741



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thinking about Dr. Phill Maffetones carb test as well (with the wife) will post results!!!!
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Carb test is great.  I need to get back on the diet, it really works!  I'm in for the May challenge.
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For all those people out here that struggle to eat a energy bar or anything other then a gel on the bike, at the seminar I went to the other day we where told that a Turkish Delight bar has all the same important stuff as a energy bar. If you look on the label its all the same as most energy bars except it lacks in protein but that's not important on race day (apparently). Last few long bike rides I have been having these and its much better and easier then any energy bar I have had and its cheaper, and the best part it gives you a chocolate hit.Cool

So if its available in your area give it a go. Save money and enjoy the taste.

http://www.cadbury.com.au/products/chocolate-bars/frys-turkish-delight-bar.aspx



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CompetitorStarting weightCurrent weight% change
Rachel77.3kg77.2kg-0.13%
Kevin112.3kg112.0kg-0.27%
Charlotte139137-1.4%
Mitch162.6160.4-1.4%
Chris171.2169.6-.9%
Ernesto182.6 0%
Jim171169-1.1%
Barry215213-1%
Alexandre77,2 kg (18,6%BF)75.8kg (18%bf)(-0.6%BF)
Luis243.2240.6-1.1%
Matthew92.5KG92.0kg0.5%
Owen200202+1%
Adrian177.5(10%BF) 0%
Ted183184+.09%
Mike203 0%
Marcia143.6144 
Justin203 0%
David228226-0.8%
Gabe156158+1.3%
Mark171.2173.2+1.17%
Deb172.8 0%
Mike L190 0%
Lynne143.3 0%

 Mine hasn't budged since Cuba.  

I'd be interested in the challenge - something to keep me motivated.

2012-04-18 7:00 AM
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I'm in for the May challenge, although I'll probably just stick to my usual training plan as March got a little on top of me.  But I like the accountability of reporting to the group.

Do we have a ruling on day before and after a race?  I have two sprints in May, and while they're B and C races, I'll probably want to make sure I'm a little prepared and recovered so I can make the most of the rest of my training.

Jackie - congrats on the 2nd place.  That's a great result, and you did really well in all that wind.

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markhodges1973 - 2012-04-17 8:30 PM

question: based on everyones sprint pool experiences, what 100yd swim time should I post?

My race is under two weeks away, at the start of the year I posted 2:10 for 100yds, over the weeks it has steadily dropped down but what should I update it to?

After my warm up and drills of 300yds, I just swam a MS of 4x200 with 50s rests. For each I averaged between 1:35 and 1:40.

So do I post a lower time and get passed or post a higher time and wait behind slower swimmers?

From experience do people genuinely post coorect times or are you always runnin ginto 'slower' swimmers?

thanks, Mark

I would always aim to race with those who are faster.  I've never done a swim where you were seeded according to times, but in run races I've seeded myself appropriately and spent the first miles running around slower runners.  I would aim a bit faster than you currently are assuming a lot of folks are doing the same, etc. 



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I'm in for the May challenge, although I'll probably just stick to my usual training plan as March got a little on top of me.  But I like the accountability of reporting to the group.

Do we have a ruling on day before and after a race?  I have two sprints in May, and while they're B and C races, I'll probably want to make sure I'm a little prepared and recovered so I can make the most of the rest of my training.

Jackie - congrats on the 2nd place.  That's a great result, and you did really well in all that wind.



Rule for before and after races:

Day before race day: Counts as a workout even if you don't work out. No time added.
Race day: Counts as workout. Time counts.
Day after race day: Counts as a workout even if you don't work out. No time added.
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markhodges1973 - 2012-04-17 7:30 PM

question: based on everyones sprint pool experiences, what 100yd swim time should I post?

My race is under two weeks away, at the start of the year I posted 2:10 for 100yds, over the weeks it has steadily dropped down but what should I update it to?

After my warm up and drills of 300yds, I just swam a MS of 4x200 with 50s rests. For each I averaged between 1:35 and 1:40.

So do I post a lower time and get passed or post a higher time and wait behind slower swimmers?

From experience do people genuinely post coorect times or are you always runnin ginto 'slower' swimmers?

thanks, Mark

 

What's the distance of this swim?  Have you had the chance, or can you work it in, to swim the actual distance once to see where you fall?

I'm guessing this is a pool swim which is why you are asking.  I've found, and read often on here, that the masses tend to overestimate their abilities and are not as fast as they think.  Here's one way to think about it:  If you have an idea of what time you expect to finish the swim in, I'd shoot for a little bit faster.  Then when you get in your assigned lane be sure you're not the first out so you don't have that pressure of someone on your toes.  If you're 30-40 seconds off over 400-600 yards in the pool, you won't be getting passed by anyone.



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dangremond - 2012-04-18 8:12 AM
markhodges1973 - 2012-04-17 8:30 PM

question: based on everyones sprint pool experiences, what 100yd swim time should I post?

My race is under two weeks away, at the start of the year I posted 2:10 for 100yds, over the weeks it has steadily dropped down but what should I update it to?

After my warm up and drills of 300yds, I just swam a MS of 4x200 with 50s rests. For each I averaged between 1:35 and 1:40.

So do I post a lower time and get passed or post a higher time and wait behind slower swimmers?

From experience do people genuinely post coorect times or are you always runnin ginto 'slower' swimmers?

thanks, Mark

I would always aim to race with those who are faster.  I've never done a swim where you were seeded according to times, but in run races I've seeded myself appropriately and spent the first miles running around slower runners.  I would aim a bit faster than you currently are assuming a lot of folks are doing the same, etc. 

I've done 2 TT swims where you're seeded based on the 100 meter time you provide. Both times I found people were very "optimistic" in their assesment so I'd definitely go w/the faster time.



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CompetitorStarting weightCurrent weight% change
Rachel77.3kg77.2kg-0.13%
Kevin112.3kg112.0kg-0.27%
Charlotte139137-1.4%
Mitch162.6160.4-1.4%
Chris171.2169.6-.9%
Ernesto182.6 0%
Jim171169-1.1%
Barry215213-1%
Alexandre77,2 kg (18,6%BF)75.8kg (18%bf)(-0.6%BF)
Luis243.2240.6-1.1%
Matthew92.5KG92.0kg0.5%
Owen200202+1%
Adrian177.5(10%BF) 0%
Ted183184+.09%
Mike203 0%
Marcia143.6144 
Justin203 0%
David228226-0.8%
Gabe156158+1.3%
Mark171.2173.2+1.17%
Deb172.8 0%
Mike L190 0%
Lynne143.3 

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Brent162161

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The May challenge sounds fun!



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Sammeg - 2012-04-17 2:01 PM

 

 

So, I'm starting Phil Maffetone's 2 week carb test tomorrow and was curious if anyone else has taken this and what the results were? 2 weeks w/out pizza or beer, oh the horror!!

during the first few days you may feel weak and depleted, that is a sign of a high level of addiction to carbs. After that, you will feel increasingly better until you feel great, you're probably going to lose some weight too. It is important that you stick to the test, and that you don't do any hard workouts during the two weeks, just use the 180-age at ALL times.

I became very dizzy and weak. but like Ernesto said NO HARD WORKOUTS.  Drink plenty of water and remember that you can eat plenty, just not the bad carbs.  The greatest thing I took from it was that any time I eat the bad cards I feel like a whale now and can jump up 8lbs.  as soon as I'm back on track, the weight drops back and and my energy comes back.

Thanks for all the feedback. Took a bit of extra time this morning before work to set myself up w/enough food to get through the day but this will probably become more routine moving forward. I actually got a bit of a head start yesterday eliminating any high GI carbs after 2 pieces of wheat toast in the morning. By last night I had pretty good headache and was a bit dizzy on the spin bike, I have a feeling I'm gonna find I'm pretty highly addicted to carbs.

And Joe, thanks for the reminder....it seems Jameson's is on the "nice" list

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markhodges1973 - 2012-04-17 8:30 PM

question: based on everyones sprint pool experiences, what 100yd swim time should I post?

My race is under two weeks away, at the start of the year I posted 2:10 for 100yds, over the weeks it has steadily dropped down but what should I update it to?

After my warm up and drills of 300yds, I just swam a MS of 4x200 with 50s rests. For each I averaged between 1:35 and 1:40.

So do I post a lower time and get passed or post a higher time and wait behind slower swimmers?

From experience do people genuinely post coorect times or are you always runnin ginto 'slower' swimmers?

thanks, Mark

I would always aim to race with those who are faster.  I've never done a swim where you were seeded according to times, but in run races I've seeded myself appropriately and spent the first miles running around slower runners.  I would aim a bit faster than you currently are assuming a lot of folks are doing the same, etc. 

I've done 2 TT swims where you're seeded based on the 100 meter time you provide. Both times I found people were very "optimistic" in their assesment so I'd definitely go w/the faster time.

x2  I'd rather be passed in the pool than have the frustration of being held back and having to pass.  I actually seeded myself at my normal speed but with the adrenaline of the race you pick it up at the beginning.  Be prepared for some craziness.  In the ones I've done you snake up and down the lanes but one guy got confused and swam head first in to me.  

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