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2013-10-08 3:59 PM in reply to: todds |
Extreme Veteran 611 Casa Grande, Az. | Subject: RE: Ironman Arizona : Official Thread On a side note, noticed the NBC coverage of Kona will air the Saturday before IMAZ.......good way to get some afternoon rest at the hotel room..... |
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2013-10-08 4:30 PM in reply to: todds |
Member 347 Scottsdale, AZ | Subject: RE: Ironman Arizona : Official Thread Originally posted by todds On a side note, noticed the NBC coverage of Kona will air the Saturday before IMAZ.......good way to get some afternoon rest at the hotel room..... Wow, that's awesome! |
2013-10-08 5:02 PM in reply to: devilfan02 |
Member 347 Scottsdale, AZ | Subject: RE: Ironman Arizona : Official Thread I did notice we don't have to wear our bib number while on the bike... A small victory |
2013-10-08 7:30 PM in reply to: devilfan02 |
Veteran 820 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: Ironman Arizona : Official Thread Well just got my hotel booked in Scottsdale, same place as last year. Hospitality Suite Resort. $70 a night, includes home cooked breakfast for 4. Rooms have kitchen with pans, dishes, full size refrigerator, oven, stove etc. 3 pools basketball courts, pet friendly. And no I'm not advertising for them lol. Just thought it was a pretty good place to stay last year so I'm going back. |
2013-10-08 9:28 PM in reply to: devilfan02 |
207 | Subject: RE: Ironman Arizona : Official Thread Originally posted by devilfan02 I did notice we don't have to wear our bib number while on the bike... A small victory i always thought that was strange.... and only about half of the people wore it anyway |
2013-10-09 2:14 AM in reply to: Tryrn |
New user 15 Espoo | Subject: RE: Ironman Arizona : Official Thread Originally posted by Tryrn Originally posted by devilfan02 I did notice we don't have to wear our bib number while on the bike... A small victory i always thought that was strange.... and only about half of the people wore it anyway really ? I have not realized this - so its not obligatory to waer the bib number during bike ? That would mean, the bib number and belt should go to T2 back for the run. Actually reasonable, as you anyway have the number on helmet & bike.... saving at least 0,5 watt |
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2013-10-09 10:43 AM in reply to: devilfan02 |
Expert 1091 | Subject: RE: Ironman Arizona : Official Thread Originally posted by devilfan02 Did my 20 mile long run on Friday morning on the new run course. Wanted to pass along some notes for those who haven't had a chance to see it yet. First note is make sure to you run on the correct path. I initially thought the run course by TTL was on the flat, dirt path directly next to the lake. Well, there's also a concrete path about 20 yards above the dirt path that is much hillier. The IMAZ run course is on both paths. Here's some of my observations. Miles 0-1 - Be careful here. We'll run out of T2 on the concrete path which is hilly the first mile. This will be a difficult stretch as the hills will make not going out too fast that more important. Miles 1-2 - After a hilly first mile, we'll run under the Rural bridge, then run up a shirt but steep switchback in order to get back to the upper concrete path. Once there, it's dead flat to the 2mile turnaround point. Miles 2-4.5 - Probably the easiest stretch on the entire run course. We'll turnaround at the 2 mile mark the head west primarily on the dirt path right next to TTL. This entire stretch is basically flat. Miles 4.5 - 6 - I'll refer to this as the Priest bridge section. When heading west, there's a short ramp to run up in order to get to the bridge. It's not too bad and the bridge itself isn't bad either. Once across the bridge, we'll head east towards the TTL path down a pretty long downhill stretch. All pretty simple... Miles 6-8 - Pretty straight forward here. Most is along the TTL dirt path which is flat but we'll also run through the marina parking lot. Easy segment. Mile 8 - In order to get to the turnaround point at mile 8, we'll need to run up a tough section under the 202 freeway. This won't be too tough the first lap but the second lap your legs will feel it. Miles 8-9 - Not too bad. Some of this is on the upper path which consists of rollers. Run through the parking lot again and down College Ave which is when you'll want to start preparing yourself for Curry Hill Miles 9-10.5 - Curry Hill! In my opinion, this stretch isn't that difficult and far too many people psych themselves out. Is it a tough hill? Sure, but two-thirds of Curry Hill is actually down hill. Go into this segment mentally prepared for a difficult hill to climb but know that there's a long downhill stretch coming behind it. In fact, after Curry Hill, we'll turn left at Lake View Dr. which is even more downhill than the downhill section of Curry. Miles 10.5-12 - Return to the TTL path after the Lake View stretch. This is flat until the uphill climb towards the Priest Bridge. I thought this climb was fairly difficult. Run to Rio Salado is flat, if not downhill. This is a good stretch to hydrate and get your HR in-check. Miles 12-13.1 - You won't realize it at the time but the entire run on Rio Salado is uphill. My HR in the segment started to spike and I thought I was tiring. I returned to normal after turning left and getting back on the flat TTL path. 13.1-14.1 - We'll run through transition which should get everybody excited. Be careful because the hilly stretch immediately after T2 will further escalate your HR. Try and run through this stretch in a calm manner. Miles 14.1 - 18 - Flat and easy. Really focus on your pace and hydration/nutrition during this stretch because you'll need some left in the tank for the last 4 miles. It's really easy to run too fast on this stretch. Miles 18-22 - This stretch starts out with the Priest Bridge section which isn't too bad. The run out to the turnaround part is relatively flat other than the climb to the actual turnaround point at roughly mile 21. Miles 22-24 - Curry Hill. Get over that damn hill for the final time and know that you have a LONG downhill stretch until you get back to the TTL path. This will be tough but you'll have around 1.5 miles to recover. Miles 24-26.2 - Almost there! The climb to Priest Bridge will be tough on shaky legs. Recover over the next mile until you get to Rio Salado. Rio Salado will be a tough stretch... It's a false flat that will use up your last bit of energy. It will probably also be dark and lonely... Run right past the Hardy Dr turn and you'll only have about a mile left. You'll take a 90 degree turn to the right then approach your final turn to the finish line. One last turn left and BAM, the finish chute will be smack in front of you! THANK YOU for your detailed recon report! Much appreciated! :-) |
2013-10-09 2:06 PM in reply to: TrishM |
Member 45 | Subject: RE: Ironman Arizona : Official Thread LONGEST RIDE? What is your longest/distance ride? And how many times did you do it? Reason I ask is because I am unsure if I should stick to centuries to have that good base or actually go for the 112 or 112+. Thoughts? Advice? |
2013-10-09 2:40 PM in reply to: blackorcutt |
93 | Subject: RE: Ironman Arizona : Official Thread longest so far is about 90, but several times. i plan on 2 centuries and then one more the last week of Oct pushing beyond that just a bit. i think as long as you have a good base, you will be fine but everyone's plan is different. |
2013-10-09 2:45 PM in reply to: weiky |
Expert 1224 Is this Heaven? No, it's Iowa. | Subject: RE: Ironman Arizona : Official Thread I have been basing mine on time rather than distance. Mainly because where I live there can be significant hills / wind / traffic etc that all impact the total distance so I want to make sure I'm putting in enough time. For example, I may have schedule a 5 hour ride. This could sometimes be over 100 miles or even under 80 depending on conditions. Left on my schedule is about 3 5+ hour rides. Just my $0.02 |
2013-10-09 2:52 PM in reply to: 0 |
Member 347 Scottsdale, AZ | Subject: RE: Ironman Arizona : Official Thread Originally posted by blackorcutt LONGEST RIDE? What is your longest/distance ride? And how many times did you do it? Reason I ask is because I am unsure if I should stick to centuries to have that good base or actually go for the 112 or 112+. Thoughts? Advice? I train by HR so I ride by time as opposed to distance. My longest ride to date was a 6:15 ride that took me 100 miles. I've done several other 5, 5.5, and 6 hour rides this summer, all coming in between 75 and 100 miles. My longest training ride for IMAZ is this Saturday. We're doing 7 hours and I'll probably come in around 115 miles. All our bike training is in long HR zone so it's very boring and SLOW. My race day plan calls for more intensity and I will most likely get off the bike in the 6:15-6:30 range. Anyways, back to your question... I would stick with your plan assuming you're feeling good. You don't necessarily have to go a full 112 miles unless you feel it will benefit you mentally. This point in our training is very important so it's better to be smart and cautious. Trust me, you'll be able to ride 112 miles on Nov 17th! Edited by devilfan02 2013-10-09 2:53 PM |
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2013-10-09 4:52 PM in reply to: blackorcutt |
128 | Subject: RE: Ironman Arizona : Official Thread Originally posted by blackorcutt LONGEST RIDE? What is your longest/distance ride? And how many times did you do it? Reason I ask is because I am unsure if I should stick to centuries to have that good base or actually go for the 112 or 112+. Thoughts? Advice? I don't think i'm qualified to give any advice but to answer the first part of your question. I have done two 5 hour rides, each one 80 miles. I'm doing fink intermediate and I have two 5:30 rides scheduled over the next two weeks which should take me to about 90 miles each one. Keba |
2013-10-09 5:19 PM in reply to: KebaNYC |
207 | Subject: RE: Ironman Arizona : Official Thread I have done 3 100+ rides and have a 2 more scheduled before taper. 2 of them are the IM route and full distance. |
2013-10-09 5:53 PM in reply to: siouxcityhawk |
Veteran 820 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: Ironman Arizona : Official Thread Originally posted by siouxcityhawk I have been basing mine on time rather than distance. Mainly because where I live there can be significant hills / wind / traffic etc that all impact the total distance so I want to make sure I'm putting in enough time. For example, I may have schedule a 5 hour ride. This could sometimes be over 100 miles or even under 80 depending on conditions. Left on my schedule is about 3 5+ hour rides. Just my $0.02 you're probably getting the same wind up there as we are getting down here in Omaha. The other week I went out for a 90 or so minute ride in 30pmh wind. It took us about 34 minutes to get to the turn around, and 1:05 to get back, HR was consistant, well, actually 1-2 bpm higher on the way back lol. I hate wind. |
2013-10-09 9:19 PM in reply to: cstoulil |
Extreme Veteran 611 Casa Grande, Az. | Subject: RE: Ironman Arizona : Official Thread I've done 3 100's gonna do 2 more and another 90 before THE day..... |
2013-10-10 5:06 AM in reply to: todds |
New user 15 Espoo | Subject: RE: Ironman Arizona : Official Thread reading about long rides: long rides are for sure important for the endurance, but I recommend to reduce the long rides early enough before the race. Now we have 5 weeks to go - the real endurance must be set by now. So actually now its not anymore the time to increase the volume, but the quality of training. So a 3h ride with higher intensity is definetely better now than a 5h+ easy ride. Otherwise you can ride 160miles on race day, but not fast enough rgds,Erwin |
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2013-10-10 9:24 AM in reply to: [email protected] |
Member 75 Platte City | Subject: RE: Ironman Arizona : Official Thread How about a 5 hr ride with 3 at race pace???? Best of both worlds! Got a few more weeks to peak still. Anyone have a link to past few years temps and what to expect? I've seen some mention of it on here, and looking at the averages has me a little worried. Water temp will be fine no matter what pretty much, two swim caps if needed but otherwise perfect! More worried about the bike....travelling all the way from Missouri, so I'll be bringing two of about everything anyways, but just want to hear some thoughts. Currently, I'm think long sleeve under armor heatgear compression top over a singlet if the temps are in the 40's or 50's in the AM. Have it all on under the wetsuit for a quick T1. Would give both sun protection and some protection from the cold. If it gets too hot on later laps can always dump some water. Thoughts? Past experiences? Etc? |
2013-10-10 9:28 AM in reply to: [email protected] |
Veteran 266 Kingwood, TX | Subject: RE: Ironman Arizona : Official Thread Hit 90-95 miles a couple times now, and about 85 miles 4-5 times. Planning on hitting 100 miles twice in the next 3 week just for the mental satisfaction of triple digits. No need for me to hit 112, If you can ride 100, you can ride 112; During the race when I hit 100 I slow the bike down and prepare for the run, last 12 miles of the bike for me is shut it down and fuel up - and thinking about how in the heck am I going to get in another 26.2 on my feet.............. |
2013-10-10 9:38 AM in reply to: thepaul500 |
207 | Subject: RE: Ironman Arizona : Official Thread Originally posted by thepaul500 How about a 5 hr ride with 3 at race pace???? Best of both worlds! Got a few more weeks to peak still. Anyone have a link to past few years temps and what to expect? I've seen some mention of it on here, and looking at the averages has me a little worried. Water temp will be fine no matter what pretty much, two swim caps if needed but otherwise perfect! More worried about the bike....travelling all the way from Missouri, so I'll be bringing two of about everything anyways, but just want to hear some thoughts. Currently, I'm think long sleeve under armor heatgear compression top over a singlet if the temps are in the 40's or 50's in the AM. Have it all on under the wetsuit for a quick T1. Would give both sun protection and some protection from the cold. If it gets too hot on later laps can always dump some water. Thoughts? Past experiences? Etc? It will be cold in the morning. lake temp will be in the low 60's neoprene cap and swim cap and you are solid. most people on the bike start with arm warmers or something else and shed them by the second loop.... it will cool down again once the sun goes down so if you are a late finisher you might want something more on your arms from your run special needs bag. But really unless the wind blows there is almost no better weather for an Ironman race |
2013-10-10 11:09 AM in reply to: Tryrn |
Member 347 Scottsdale, AZ | Subject: RE: Ironman Arizona : Official Thread ^ Agree with Tryrn. For the most part, AZ is very mild in November although it can get cold and windy. Two years ago we had crazy weather that included rain, hail, and sunshine. You just never know but weather like last years race should be expected (knock on wood). It will be cold before the race but not unbearable. I'll wear sweats while waiting around and a full sleeve wetsuit for the swim w/ only the race swimcap. I do good with cold water (low 60's which is what IMAZ will be) so I don't need neoprene caps, booties, or multiple swim caps. The start of the bike will be chilly and several friends have said it took them 30 minutes to warm up. Nearly all of them wore arm warmers which they ditched after loop 1 (I'm wearing a bike jersey with arm warmers which I'll toss once warm). If the weather is like last year, a long sleeve shirt will be too much in my opinion. The sun is intense out here and warms up quickly... Plus, you'll be working hard on your uphill Beeline climb towards the Shea turnaround (approx miles 9-20 on first loop) which will increase your body temp early in the bike leg. |
2013-10-10 1:03 PM in reply to: devilfan02 |
Member 347 Scottsdale, AZ | Subject: RE: Ironman Arizona : Official Thread I just posted this question in the Iron Training Talk section but how is everyone seeding themselves for the mass swim start? I will probably be out of the water between 1:05-1:10 which is probably middle of the pack. I don't want to get swum over but definitely don't want to be stuck swimming around large groups. Anyone else a similar swimmer and have any IM mass swim start experience? I will probably just seed myself in the front 1/3 and hope for the best. |
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2013-10-10 2:33 PM in reply to: 0 |
Member 45 | Subject: RE: Ironman Arizona : Official Thread Thanks for the feedback guys. I feel I have a good base set so far, I just didn't know whether I should just take on the 112 just for the heck of it. I can't wait for the start! - Edited by blackorcutt 2013-10-10 2:34 PM |
2013-10-10 2:36 PM in reply to: thepaul500 |
Extreme Veteran 648 Scottsdale | Subject: RE: Ironman Arizona : Official Thread Originally posted by thepaul500 Anyone have a link to past few years temps and what to expect? I've seen some mention of it on here, and looking at the averages has me a little worried. Water temp will be fine no matter what pretty much, two swim caps if needed but otherwise perfect! More worried about the bike....travelling all the way from Missouri, so I'll be bringing two of about everything anyways, but just want to hear some thoughts. Currently, I'm think long sleeve under armor heatgear compression top over a singlet if the temps are in the 40's or 50's in the AM. Have it all on under the wetsuit for a quick T1. Would give both sun protection and some protection from the cold. If it gets too hot on later laps can always dump some water. Thoughts? Past experiences? Etc? I do not know there is a site that shows the last several years water and air temps for the race. You can always check on the race reports here on Beg Tri and go back a few years. I raced 2011 and 2012, and the temps were low 60s both years (2011 was 61 I think and 2012 was 63). I wore my sleeveless in 2012 with 2 swim caps (which I always wear, regardless of temps) and was fine. Unless we have considerable cloud cover, you will get warm on the bike (heavy winds could also affect this) with too many layers. I wore my tri suit both years (2011 I wore arm warmers, 2012 I did not), and was never too cold (chilly to start, then warmed up quick). Apply the sunscreen, even with cooler temps the AZ sun can fry you. Depending on your overall pace, if you are on the run after it gets dark the temps will start to drop quickly, and you could be cold later in the evening. Of course, you have special needs to pack away a long-sleeved shirt, gloves, even sweats if you wanted. For race morning I usually have full sweats on right up until I don the wetsuit, as it is colder and the blood is not quite flowing yet. One piece of advice - if you do not have throw-away flip flops, I recommend a pair of throw-away socks for race morning. Walking to and from run SN drop off, morning clothes drop off, and just to wander around, your feet will get cold and scattered gravel will hurt a bit. A simple pair of socks will solve that problem and you can dump them just before you get in the water. |
2013-10-10 2:36 PM in reply to: devilfan02 |
Veteran 820 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: Ironman Arizona : Official Thread If I remeber correct from what I read last year, Think of the start as a square divided into for sqares. From behind the starting line the fast swimmers should line up in the front to the left, maybe around 1 hr, the next fastest group should line up in the front to the right, maybe 1:05-1:10 the third fastest, maybe 1:10-1:20, behind the first group, and the 4th, everyone else, behind the second group. I can't remeber the exact times they associated with the groups, but as far as fastest to slowest that what the recommended. I swam 1:35 last year and lined up in the 4th quadrant, I didn't think I was that far from the start line, maybe 25 yds, but when the cannon went off I swam about 5 seconds, before running into a wall of people who couldn't swim, because of the people in front of them, and so on and so forth. I'm a slow swimmer and kept having to find myself around all these head up swimmers for the first 5-10 minutes. But maybe thats just normal. In theory it sound like it should work, but then you have the human factor of over seeding. From the sounds of it, if I were you, I'd try to get up front somewhere in the middle, unless you want to use another stategy, Maybe start way off to the right, but not too close to the wall, then just aim for the turn bouy the whole way, it really wont add any distance. Assuming a perfectly straight line, starting 200 yds wide and swimming straight only adds about 9 yards so it may be worth it. |
2013-10-10 2:37 PM in reply to: cstoulil |
Veteran 820 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: Ironman Arizona : Official Thread And it all actuality it would be less than 9 since the turn bouy is less than half way. |
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