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2010-04-19 7:12 PM
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Here is the description of the climb..
"About 6 miles into the clockwise loop will ascend 15% Old Stage Hill (600' vertical climb in 2/3 of a mile)"

I have heard from others who have done this race that people do end up walking their bikes up this climb

I have shimano components

Thanks for the info!


2010-04-19 7:27 PM
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2010-04-19 7:29 PM
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15% grade...Holy Cow...I do a 10% one here in Phoenix and it kicks my a$$. I can't imagine 15%.
2010-04-19 7:39 PM
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phxphotog - 2010-04-19 6:29 PM 15% grade...Holy Cow...I do a 10% one here in Phoenix and it kicks my a$$. I can't imagine 15%.


I know, I think I am in big trouble!  I am not sure I have an idea what 15% grade looks like but what I picture in my mind is not pretty!
2010-04-19 9:54 PM
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Kath2163 - 2010-04-19 6:39 PM
phxphotog - 2010-04-19 6:29 PM 15% grade...Holy Cow...I do a 10% one here in Phoenix and it kicks my a$$. I can't imagine 15%.


I know, I think I am in big trouble!  I am not sure I have an idea what 15% grade looks like but what I picture in my mind is not pretty!


I'll be doing the Boulder Peak with you on that.  That road is definitely brutal, but luckily(?) it comes early in the race and after that it's a nice long downhill were you can really get moving fast.  I figure it's better to get it over with than to have that late in the course.  I don't plan on changing my gearing for it (54/34 with 11-25), but I also plan on getting out there to ride that road a number of times before that race.  If all else fails though... jump off and run/walk, I'm sure there will be others doing the same.  I personally think 15% hurts no matter what gearing you have.
2010-04-19 10:18 PM
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Speaking of climbing mountains... I finally took my camera along for my twice/week ride up Lookout Mountain.  4.5miles, 1300ft elevation gain, ~5.5% average grade, I believe it maxes at 9% and the last 1/2 mile is basically flat (technically a false flat... ~1-2% grade, but after hanging out on 5-6% grades, 1-2% feels GOOOOOOD!)



^^^^^^This is the first set of switchbacks. Down below is the town of Golden... most of you know it because of the Coors Brewery... which is actually that monstrosity of buildings that's visible down there.  The next picture is actually taken from on the road up in the top right corner looking back down on these switchbacks.



^^^^^ Off the far edge of the road, down below where you can't see, is Clear Creek, which is the river that Coors uses to "Tap the Rockies"



^^^^^This is up after those switchbacks, just a nice long uphill in case those switchbacks didn't tire you out.  I typically hit ~40mph on the way down it.... then after that... You get more switchbacks!!!!!!




2010-04-19 10:21 PM
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Absolutely beautiful, I have to make it out to Colorado one of these days!

Of course, we'd show up and I'd have to explain to the wife I'm ditching her on bike ride!
2010-04-19 10:23 PM
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Pete, where do you start that ride?
It doesn't look like there is much of a shoulder or bike lane. How is the traffic?  That looks like a good ride for me to try.
Great pictures!
2010-04-19 10:30 PM
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PennState - 2010-04-19 4:10 PM How'd everybody's day go? Job kept me too busy to train. How about you?


Pretty good run today, only 5 miles though.  I'm not going to test my achilles until race day.

My legs are getting stronger, and I'm just starting to hit my stride on the run and bike; I honestly didn't think my legs would feel this good.
2010-04-19 10:44 PM
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Kath2163 - 2010-04-19 9:23 PM Pete, where do you start that ride?
It doesn't look like there is much of a shoulder or bike lane. How is the traffic?  That looks like a good ride for me to try.
Great pictures!


Every Monday and Thursday, ride starts at 6pm (6:05 sometimes) from the parking lot of Parfet Park on the corner of 10th and Washington in Golden (over near Coors).  If you're running late there's often people that meet us up at "the pillars" at the base of Lookout Mountain Rd/19th St... We cruise up to that point as a group, so you could get an extra 10-15minutes if you were running late by going straight there in the car.  After that, everyone goes at their own speed, some of the faster guys/gals will circle back down to other people, make sure they are alright and get themselves a little extra workout in.

check out: http://www.meetup.com/Denver-and-Front-Range-Cycling/
2010-04-19 10:45 PM
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furiousferret - 2010-04-19 9:30 PM
PennState - 2010-04-19 4:10 PM How'd everybody's day go? Job kept me too busy to train. How about you?


Pretty good run today, only 5 miles though.  I'm not going to test my achilles until race day.

My legs are getting stronger, and I'm just starting to hit my stride on the run and bike; I honestly didn't think my legs would feel this good.


Very positive news, especially leading up to the big race!


2010-04-20 12:42 AM
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Swapped exercise for drinking tonight. Had a friend in from out of town so the wife and I headed out to meet up with her best friend. I didn't drink a lot but it was nice to do something social. We've been working out so much lately that it was nice to take a break. Since this week is my taper week I don't have to worry about taking a day off.
2010-04-20 4:42 AM
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phxphotog - 2010-04-19 11:42 PM Swapped exercise for drinking tonight. Had a friend in from out of town so the wife and I headed out to meet up with her best friend. I didn't drink a lot but it was nice to do something social. We've been working out so much lately that it was nice to take a break. Since this week is my taper week I don't have to worry about taking a day off.


Days off to enjoy the other side of life is important.  You don't want to burn out
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2010-04-20 5:35 AM
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PennState - 2010-04-20 6:21 AM My opinion is that gearing matters quite a bit. The biggest issue is all about not frying your legs prior to the run. Sometimes people under estimate the effect that under gearing (not having enough gears for big hills) will have on their run after. I think that we really should talk about this more and more. Kathleen is thinking about a new tri bike and getting the proper gearing is very important. Let me start by asking what gearing you are using and what is your most important race this year?

I agree Fred, I have 2 sets of gears an 11 - 23 for flatter races (this one doesn't get used much) and a 12 - 27 for most riding and races around here.  I think some people push the 11 - 23 out of lack of understanding.  Me, I would rather have something left for the run. 

But for Florida, I am planning on the 11 - 23 since the only hills are the bridge overpasses.

Driving to DC today so I snuck in an early trainer ride in lieu of the swim and tomorrow and Thursday will be runs only.  I will be passing close to you Fred, down route 15.

ETA: BTW, I would probably be amongst those lacking understanding if it hadn't been for some of these types of discussions on BT!

Those are awesome pictures, great place to ride!



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2010-04-20 6:33 AM
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PennState - 2010-04-20 4:21 AM My opinion is that gearing matters quite a bit. The biggest issue is all about not frying your legs prior to the run. Sometimes people under estimate the effect that under gearing (not having enough gears for big hills) will have on their run after. I think that we really should talk about this more and more. Kathleen is thinking about a new tri bike and getting the proper gearing is very important. Let me start by asking what gearing you are using and what is your most important race this year?


I am very glad we are talking about this. I need the education.
My road bike has a 50/34 crankset and an 11-25 cassette.
My most important race of the year is Boulder 70.3.  However, the climb at the Boulder Peak (Olympic) race has me worried.  As I have mentioned numerous times, my run is a huge weakness for me and I certainly don't want to  make it worse by frying my legs.

I appreciate the discussion at this time as I am heading to Boulder tomorrow to get a "fit assessment" to determine what brand of tri bike would best fit me and would love to be a bit more educated about gearing before I get there.

Thanks!

Kathleen


2010-04-20 8:56 AM
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For IMSG I'm using a 50/34 and a 11-25 in back; alot of people are using compact and 12-27's, but I don't think the hills are that bad.  Its 6500 gain over 112 and I don't which is bad for an IM but the individual climbs don't seem all that bad.
2010-04-20 9:17 AM
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Since we are also discussing a possible new bike: We should also discuss how crank length can play a role in how easy/hard it is to spin a gear.
2010-04-20 9:58 AM
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I ride a road bike right now and I have a triple. I'm glad I do since I'm not a strong cyclist and my two A races this year are Wildflower and Vineman 70.3, and living in San Francisco we have nothing but hills. If I end up getting a tri bike next year or the year after I'll probably get a compact with a 12-27 in the back due to the hills.
2010-04-20 10:00 AM
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PennState - 2010-04-20 5:21 AM My opinion is that gearing matters quite a bit. The biggest issue is all about not frying your legs prior to the run. Sometimes people under estimate the effect that under gearing (not having enough gears for big hills) will have on their run after. I think that we really should talk about this more and more. Kathleen is thinking about a new tri bike and getting the proper gearing is very important. Let me start by asking what gearing you are using and what is your most important race this year?


I am using a 53/39 up front.  My cassette is a SRAM 11-28, I went with this as I wanted a little more gear to spin up the hills if needed.  Not having a compact crank really makes the 28 in the rear handy on steeper climbs or when the legs are fried.  My most important race this year is IM Wisconsin.  It has a reputation for being fairly hilly, but nothting to extreme.  I am happy with my gearing for the event.  I do wish my cassette was more tightly grouped going from say an 13-28 vice 11 to 28.  Realistically I might be in the 53 to 11 ration once in a blue moon.  If you are spining this gear out your going to be in the mid to high 30 MPH range, at least for me.  Realistically I doubt most riders ever utilize this ratio except on very long descents. 

I would imagine that if Kathleen is going to go with a compact crank, an 11-27 or 11-28 would meet her needs 99% of the time.  With a 34/28 combo she would have the ability to really spin when needed.  The other option is of course to go with a triple but I don't think the granny gear would be utilized much unless you train in a very hilly or mountainous region.
2010-04-20 10:02 AM
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phxphotog - 2010-04-18 7:52 PM Did my 1st "real" OWS this morning with a bunch of people from First Wave Tri Club here in Phoenix. We swam at Lake Pleasant which is a big man made lake in the NW part of the valley. The water was actually not bad and we got use to the cold fairly quickly. I thought I would do better but the sighting slowed me down a bit. I didn't swim off course to much but wanted to work on my sighting. My goggles fogged up after about 400 yds and I struggled to get them fixed. My arms also got more tired than I'm use to with my wetsuit on. Also struggled a but to get a good body rotation to breath but I worked on that on the way back to the boat ramp. I think with more OWS practice I'll be fine with it. I have 3 OWS tri's this year so I need to get better at it.

After the swim I went for a hike for about an hour. I did 3 3/4 miles in 1 hr 11 min with 682 feet of climb. Actually, it's up and down a lot so I don't know how much up and down I did. It's my usual loop hike in the mountain park by my house.

This week will be a lot of rest because I need to my shins rested for Mexico. I also am having chafing issues on the left crease of my leg/groin area on the bike. I've done body glide and all kinds of stuff but it still keeps happening. I'm guessing that I need a new pair of bike shorts. I didn't have a problem in my tri shorts when I raced in them. Anyone ever have this issue before?

Hope everyone had a good weekend training and competing.


Hey sorry for the delayed response. I have been soo busy the past few days. What else have you tried besides body glide??
Aesome work just getting in the water and practicing your OWS


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PennState - 2010-04-19 7:56 AM How dis everyone's training weekend go?


I had some awesome workouts the past few days so i thought i would share them with you

Sat i did a 3 hour 20 min bike then a 30 min run in prep for my HIM in 2 weeks. I dont think i have ever felt so good coming off the bike. I used my race gear on the bike (aero helmet....yes i got a couple wierd looks) and it all worked really well. 

Yesterday i did 2.4 mile swim in my 25Y local pool. I did it in 1:19:57 which i was extremely happy with.
2010-04-20 10:12 AM
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PennState - 2010-04-18 8:35 PM OWS sighting takes a lot of practice. Does anyone practice sighting in their indoor pool?


haha yep i do. I feel so strange doing it...but it has def helped. I actually close my eyes and just sight to really get the feeling of doing an OWS in murky water where you cant see anything
2010-04-20 10:13 AM
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JoshKaptur - 2010-04-19 9:52 AM I'm late on this reply, but Chris:  LOL @ strong right hand!!!


haha same thought here
2010-04-20 10:17 AM
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Wooden Bell - 2010-04-19 1:57 PM So, last night I was watching some triathlon videos and reading the forums, and I checked on the registration page for the 1/2 HIM I have planned for this summer to see if they had opened registration.  Registration just opened yesterday, and I made the leap and signed up.  Now, with about 19 weeks to go (Aug 29), I want to get into a more structured training plan.  I have noticed that some of you are performance members, but some are not.  Is it worth my while to get a performance membership to take advantage of one of the bronze or silver HIM plans?  I'm interested to hear some of your feedback on this.

Speaking of the race, if any of you are up for trying a new one, you should come on over   It's just outside Fredericton, NB, which is just northeast of Maine.  The resort where they're holding it is giving triathletes rooms for $89, and it looks really nice.  Last year was the first year for the race, and it would be great to see it grow.  If you're interested, check it out... you can't beat $65 for a HIM and a room rate like that

http://www.atlanticchip.ca/events/details.php?show=498 


Congrats on taking the plunge! let the training begin!!!!

I used the free BT plan for my past 2 HIMs and i was very happy with the results.
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