Where is the outrage again? (Page 2)

In public areas yes. I can't carry my gun in public areas unless I have a permit for "public safety" so how is this different?

That is only in communist California. In the rest of the country we like our rights and have managed to keep a lot more of them.

Exactly.

So gun bans are okay if they stop a shooting?

Wait.....you want me to give up freedom to carry a gun in the name of safety, right?

I'm with you T.  The 4th amendment is getting stepped on like no tomorrow because of this very attitude.  If it catches a terrorist, If it protects just one child, if if if.

Meanwhile anything and everything you say will and will be used against you in a court of law. 

This is supposed to be the bastion of freedom for the rest of the world. Ever since 9/11, our government is becoming more and more intrusive into everyday communications. 

This reminds me a lot of the show Person of Interest.

It's called "probable cause". You can't just investigate someone for no reason... you have to have a reason. That is the problem... they have no reason... they are just throwing out a big net and seeing what they catch. That is not Constitutional. And no I'm not OK just allowing the government to just ignore the Constitution.

I understand I can be on a surveillance tape for an number of reasons. At store or cameras... but they are not turning that over to the "State" to get me.. it's just store security, and if the place is robber... or a crime COMMITTED, then they use it to catch the guy. That is fine... probable cause.

But to listen and record people for no reason, then it isn't right.... and the problem with all of this is your very attitude... ya it's all good when it does not effect you... but then years down the road someone else starts using it for their own reasons and all of a sudden we have no control and the reason it's so good anymore... and then you are in jail against your Constitutional rights because of some misunderstanding... and then you want a lawyer.... but you can't have that either...

I think you have two SEPERATE sides here to think about:

1. The capture and storage of a/v, tracking and electronic data.
2. The use of that data by the government in a criminal case.

Let's look at the first; the capture and storage.  Today, your "privacy" ends with...

• Every website, Google search, and click on your computer.
• Facebook, online purchases, Amazon, etc.  All recording almost everything.
• The emails that you send.  (Try repeatedly sending out emails overseas with buzzwards like "al qeda" and "jihad" in them and see what happens.)
• Your cellphone that tracks your location.
• The calls you make on those cellphones.  (Again, make a whole bunch of international calls using lots of 'terrorist terms' and see what happens.)
• Traffic cameras.
• ATMs.
• Red light cameras.
• Many retail stores such as Wal Mart, Target, etc.  Banks and even restaurants.
• Your workplace ID badge.
• Most any and every government building.
• When you drop off and pick up your kid at day-care or pre-school.
• And many, many, more!

Your life is ALREADY tracked and recorded!  Video and audio recording on a bus is practically no different.

The more important side of the argument is #2.  What happens to all of that data?  In just about every case, the police require a warrant to search and pull the information.  They DON'T have immediate access.  Certainly in private cases:  Pulling surviellence footage from store cameras or getting access to phone records and phone locations (which has been used in civil divorce suits to prove infidelity!)  But also in public cases as well.  There was a murder here in Charlotte 2 years ago in front of a trraffic cam and the police had to get a court order to pull the footage.

... Of course getting the court order took all of 2 hours.  AND the footage actually turned out to be the evidence needed for a conviction.

I'm not a lawyer, but I think so long as the cops need a warrant to get the data to use in an investigation, the 4th Amendment would remain intact.

Fair enough.

So you are ok with someone using a camera to look up skirts while out in public? They are in public so it's free to all right?

Really, cameras are nothing.

There are now license plate readers......they capture your plate as you drive by and send your information to us via terminal.

You ready for this scenario: 

We (the govt.) set up a plate reader at a major intersection.  Your name and address from your registration is sent to our mobile terminals.  We take your name and address and enter you into one of the monstrous databases now available to us (or we program the reader to do it for us).  I an instant, as you drive by, I know where you live, where you work, what your income was reported the last quarter, where you bank, if you have a CCW license, what your spouse and children's names are, where your spouse works, every address you have ever used, every credit card you have ever used, and on and on.  This isn't something that is coming down the road.....it's here, I've watched it.

Feel safe?

I think I'm moving to China now. At least there the government admits they are spying on you.