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2013-05-02 2:48 PM
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mehaner - 2013-05-02 7:55 AM
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conversely, if people stopped displaying the confederate flag so proudly, it would go away as well.  it most certainly serves as a symbol of "white pride" (for lack of a better way to express it) for many, and should be offensive.  people know not to wear swastikas on their clothing.  how is this different?

The Confederate flag stands for much more than just racism.  For many it also stands for a southern way of life and pride in where they come from.  To say someone can't use this symbol as a sign of something other than racism is disingenuous at best. 



2013-05-02 3:07 PM
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mehaner - 2013-05-02 5:55 AM
jmcconne - 2013-05-02 8:32 AM

If people stopped getting offended by the Confederate flag, it would go away pretty quickly.

conversely, if people stopped displaying the confederate flag so proudly, it would go away as well.  it most certainly serves as a symbol of "white pride" (for lack of a better way to express it) for many, and should be offensive.  people know not to wear swastikas on their clothing.  how is this different?

 

Great comparison given that my wife is a Hindu whose culture/religion used the swastika as a positive symbol for thousands of years before the Nazi's.

 

In fact, " The word "swastika" comes from the Sanskrit svastika - "su" meaning "good" or "auspicious," "asti" meaning "to be," and "ka" as a suffix. The swastika literally means "to be good"."

(From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika)

 

Even though many cultures that use the swastika positively have not banished the symbol completely, you don't see it haphazardly displayed with a complete refusal to acknowledge the association that most people make with it.

 

On a pseudo-related note, when I was an EMT in Boston, there was a Jewish immigrant community that we were asked not to use the "Hi-Lo" siren tone when we were near because of the traumatic flashbacks it caused. Never heard anyone argue the benign intent of European siren tone.

2013-05-02 3:34 PM
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mehaner - 2013-05-02 5:55 AM
jmcconne - 2013-05-02 8:32 AM

If people stopped getting offended by the Confederate flag, it would go away pretty quickly.

conversely, if people stopped displaying the confederate flag so proudly, it would go away as well.  it most certainly serves as a symbol of "white pride" (for lack of a better way to express it) for many, and should be offensive.  people know not to wear swastikas on their clothing.  how is this different?

 

Great comparison given that my wife is a Hindu whose culture/religion used the swastika as a positive symbol for thousands of years before the Nazi's.

 

In fact, " The word "swastika" comes from the Sanskrit svastika - "su" meaning "good" or "auspicious," "asti" meaning "to be," and "ka" as a suffix. The swastika literally means "to be good"."

(From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika)

 

Even though many cultures that use the swastika positively have not banished the symbol completely, you don't see it haphazardly displayed with a complete refusal to acknowledge the association that most people make with it.

 

On a pseudo-related note, when I was an EMT in Boston, there was a Jewish immigrant community that we were asked not to use the "Hi-Lo" siren tone when we were near because of the traumatic flashbacks it caused. Never heard anyone argue the benign intent of European siren tone.



When I was in Korea it was everywhere.

http://www.swastika-info.com/en/startpage/korea/1062945561.html

I guess these guys didn't get the memo about not wearing it. This is from 2003:




But there are those who want to dictate what everyone else should be allowed to do by "being offended"

2013-05-02 3:38 PM
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Except that in Asia is where you are most likely to run into people that only know it as a positive symbol, and far less to run into someone impacted by the Nazi usage.

2013-05-02 4:06 PM
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Subject: RE: School's 'Redneck Day' sparks anger
DanielG - 2013-05-02 1:34 PM
eabeam - 2013-05-02 4:07 PM
mehaner - 2013-05-02 5:55 AM
jmcconne - 2013-05-02 8:32 AM

If people stopped getting offended by the Confederate flag, it would go away pretty quickly.

conversely, if people stopped displaying the confederate flag so proudly, it would go away as well.  it most certainly serves as a symbol of "white pride" (for lack of a better way to express it) for many, and should be offensive.  people know not to wear swastikas on their clothing.  how is this different?

 

Great comparison given that my wife is a Hindu whose culture/religion used the swastika as a positive symbol for thousands of years before the Nazi's.

 

In fact, " The word "swastika" comes from the Sanskrit svastika - "su" meaning "good" or "auspicious," "asti" meaning "to be," and "ka" as a suffix. The swastika literally means "to be good"."

(From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika)

 

Even though many cultures that use the swastika positively have not banished the symbol completely, you don't see it haphazardly displayed with a complete refusal to acknowledge the association that most people make with it.

 

On a pseudo-related note, when I was an EMT in Boston, there was a Jewish immigrant community that we were asked not to use the "Hi-Lo" siren tone when we were near because of the traumatic flashbacks it caused. Never heard anyone argue the benign intent of European siren tone.

When I was in Korea it was everywhere. http://www.swastika-info.com/en/startpage/korea/1062945561.htmlI guess these guys didn't get the memo about not wearing it. This is from 2003: But there are those who want to dictate what everyone else should be allowed to do by "being offended"

Not the same thing... 

Those are not the symbol for the nazi party...  and what they represented.

2013-05-02 4:10 PM
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Subject: RE: School's 'Redneck Day' sparks anger
DanielG - 2013-05-02 5:59 AM
mehaner - 2013-05-02 8:55 AM
jmcconne - 2013-05-02 8:32 AM

If people stopped getting offended by the Confederate flag, it would go away pretty quickly.

conversely, if people stopped displaying the confederate flag so proudly, it would go away as well.  it most certainly serves as a symbol of "white pride" (for lack of a better way to express it) for many, and should be offensive.  people know not to wear swastikas on their clothing.  how is this different?

The Klan always has a US flag in every parade, demonstration and get together I've ever seen in any newscast. We need to eliminate that flag as well, right? It most certainly serves as a symbol of "white pride" for many.

It surprises me that you put the American flag and the confederate flag on the same level and suggest they should eliminate that as well.

I personally look at what the American flag means to me, and it's a WHOLE LOT different than the confederate flag.



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