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verga - 2011-01-13 8:27 AM A better example would be Bush's presence at the VT shooting. The students and crowd acted with decorum. the speech focued ont he vitims and hyow the nation could recover. It was not political, inspite of calls from the left to increase gun control laws.
Bush did nothing to cheapen the moment.
On the other hand Obama's comments followed with his "but" comments did ntohing to elevagte the discourse.
it is also interestingthat he wants to elavavte the discourse, but during the campagain he was saying "If they bring a knife, you bring a gun" "I want you to get in their face"
After the recent election, his comments aqbout Republicans getting inthe back of the vehicle.
Prior to the presidental election Hillary's famous comment was that she was sick and tired of every time some one called in to question somethign about the war that they were unpatriotic, and tha dissent was the highest form of patriotism.
The democrats want to have their cake and it too.

How about the fact taht Obama's peoiple had souvenior T-shirts ont he charis att he memorial.
Just disgusting.

Wow, hate Obama much? The shirts where done by the university.

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roch1009 - 2011-01-13 6:51 AM

trinnas - 2011-01-13 9:21 AM

David tri's - 2011-01-13 8:18 AM This is what happens after national tragedies. Let's take a look at the last two Presidents:

After the Oklahoma City bombings Bill Clinton gave a stirring speach in Oklahoma City. He was there as "Consolar-in-chief." This is part of the Presidents unwritten job description. To lead and comfort in a time of national tragedy. Yes, there is a political element to it. But the presidency is a political position. This moment marked the rise of Mr. Clinton's popularity and led him to a second term.

Just a few days after 9-11 Geroge W. Bush literally stood atop of the pile of debris in lower Manhattan and gave a stirring speach through a bull horn. Why was he there? To console and lead the nation. Even a guy like me, who disagreed with just about everything President Bush did, was moved by Mr. Bush's actions and speech. There was quite a bit of hooping and hollering for the President before and after his speech. I was proud to be an American and, at that moment, proud of my President. I was glad we had a strong leader. Again, there was a political element to this as well. (If you don't believe me then ask yourself, why did Mr. Bush decide to go to Ground Zero to rally the troops and the nation. His presence caused a slow down in the search for survivors. I'm not saying this was the wrong thing to do, in fact I think he was in just the right place to begin leading America away from 9-11, I'm just pointing it out.) This moment marked the rise of Mr. Bush's popularity and led him to a second term.

I did not see the memorial in Tuscon. But, from what I gather here, President Obama's speech was good. He is were he should be, consoling and leading in a time of national tragedy. Is there a political aspect to ANY memorial like this? You bet.

I don't know maybe my tragedy threshold has been raised but I don't see equating 9/11 or even OKC with this spree killing regardless of who died. I don't see it as a national tragedy, I see it as another radom act of violence. Were the Luby's shooting a national tragedy. How about Columbine, Andrew Cunanan, the day trader who shot up an office bldg, the guy for whom we coined the term going postal, etc., etc., etc., were these national tragedies?

Except it wasn't random. It was a well-planned political assassination attempt - doesn't make it any worse (and it's foolish to attempt to rank tragedies), just makes it different.

Was it a political assassination or a scorned lover (in his delusional screwed up mind) acting out?

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No I don't hate the man at all, that would be giving him power.
I don't like his hypocricy, his policies, or his arrogant attitude.
I do pity him that no one has taken the time to straighten him out some things, but I don't hate him at all.

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You know, you don't have to like Obama to appreciate what he said last night and that was, essentially, "let's not politicize this."

So, please, regardless of your political leanings, stop politicizing this.

On another not, the University of Arizona should have made it clearer to its students that this was not the time and place to be catcalling and hollering at the President. That was absurd.

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I think you're right in one respect, that we should not try and politicize this, but the problem is that rhetoric has been used politically by this president (and others). Obama saying he was going to "kick some a$$" and to "punish your enemies" and "if they bring a knife, you bring a gun"...these are politicized examples of rhetoric by an individual that then says not to use rhetoric and politicize the event. It has nothing nothing to do with Republican/Democrat/Tea Party/etc. and everything to do with hypocrisy. If the point of the speech was to 1. lay tribute to the lives of individuals then he succeeded, and 2. if it was to try and stem politicisng the event then they should have had someone else give the speech.

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I dislike President Obama. I disagree with much if not most of his politics and policies. I was terrified that he may heed the advice of some on the radical left and use the memorial as a platform to point the finger at "political rhetoric", to the same extent that say Paul Krugman or Keith OBerman had.

But, I was very taken by the Presidents speech. I thought the speech was very good and very effective. I thought it struck the proper tone and rather than call out any particular individuals or groups he called for civility. He even seemed to address those that jumped to conclusions pointing blame prior to any evidence. And I think he handled this very well.

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Brock Samson - 2011-01-13 1:50 PM

I dislike President Obama. I disagree with much if not most of his politics and policies. I was terrified that he may heed the advice of some on the radical left and use the memorial as a platform to point the finger at "political rhetoric", to the same extent that say Paul Krugman or Keith OBerman had.

But, I was very taken by the Presidents speech. I thought the speech was very good and very effective. I thought it struck the proper tone and rather than call out any particular individuals or groups he called for civility. He even seemed to address those that jumped to conclusions pointing blame prior to any evidence. And I think he handled this very well.

My husband is much like you in his dislike of President Obama and his politics, but he also felt like President Obama gave a very thoughtful, powerful speech and was impressed with the tone and message.

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Subject: RE: Tucson Memorial

Brock Samson - 2011-01-13 2:50 PM

I dislike President Obama. I disagree with much if not most of his politics and policies. I was terrified that he may heed the advice of some on the radical left and use the memorial as a platform to point the finger at "political rhetoric", to the same extent that say Paul Krugman or Keith OBerman had.

But, I was very taken by the Presidents speech. I thought the speech was very good and very effective. I thought it struck the proper tone and rather than call out any particular individuals or groups he called for civility. He even seemed to address those that jumped to conclusions pointing blame prior to any evidence. And I think he handled this very well.

I like Obama and think he's doing a good job and I agree with you here. I especially liked that he called out the people who were just interested in assigning blame. I was also worried he might use it criticize the ongoing rhetoric, but by rising above that I think he made the people engaging in it, especially the ones in the last few days look small. I was a bit offput by the tone of it in certain places where it seemed more like a rally, but reflecting back now I actually kind of liked that part (though not the beginning when the college kids kept screaming). It was almost like two seperate speeches - one a memorial to the victims and one a rally to use this as an opportunity to better the country and civilize the national conversation, to not let their deaths be in vain.

Edited by drewb8 2011-01-13 4:37 PM

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Subject: RE: Tucson Memorial

Brock Samson - 2011-01-13 4:50 PM

I dislike President Obama. I disagree with much if not most of his politics and policies. I was terrified that he may heed the advice of some on the radical left and use the memorial as a platform to point the finger at "political rhetoric", to the same extent that say Paul Krugman or Keith OBerman had.

But, I was very taken by the Presidents speech. I thought the speech was very good and very effective. I thought it struck the proper tone and rather than call out any particular individuals or groups he called for civility. He even seemed to address those that jumped to conclusions pointing blame prior to any evidence. And I think he handled this very well.

Yep. You all know I dislike him too, but I thought his speech was well done. The rest of the "memorial" however was a sick joke.

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Subject: RE: Tucson Memorial

Brock Samson - 2011-01-13 4:50 PM

I dislike President Obama. I disagree with much if not most of his politics and policies. I was terrified that he may heed the advice of some on the radical left and use the memorial as a platform to point the finger at "political rhetoric", to the same extent that say Paul Krugman or Keith OBerman had.

But, I was very taken by the Presidents speech. I thought the speech was very good and very effective. I thought it struck the proper tone and rather than call out any particular individuals or groups he called for civility. He even seemed to address those that jumped to conclusions pointing blame prior to any evidence. And I think he handled this very well.

Yep. You all know I dislike him too, but I thought his speech was well done. The rest of the "memorial" however was a sick joke.

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