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2012-09-25 2:09 PM
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trinnas - 2012-09-25 1:53 PM
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popsracer - 2012-09-25 1:41 PM

It just seems to me that the same people that are pressuring the school to support a political position that they support would be the first to protest against the institution for taking a stand on an issue if it choose to support a position that differed from their own.

If the school took a stand against the issue, would the same people protest that the school has no business taking stands.

And I do not care what the issue is.  I am responding to this purely as I perceive in my opinion the role of a teaching facility to be and its primary focus. 

Purely on an academic level, I can see your point and I could see myself arguing the same if not IN the situation.

What is different here is that if the marriage amendment passed, it would be a really big step in the wrong direction for a key group of people at my school.    The LGBTQ community is not small here.  I think that lack of support might actually hurt their retention rates.   I think the community in general expects the school to back issues that include same-sex marriage.  I DO think it would be unreasonable if the nearby Catholic university had a similar protest.  So, it's because of what this particular PRIVATE school stands for, and spends so much time supporting, in addition to the related church having taken a stand - it just seems weird to be passive.

Btw, the president has agree to meet with a small group to discuss.  It's not for a few hours, and she's a fantastic rhetorician, so she might still stick with her decision.  We'll see.

So the LGBT community is the important group and everyone else at the school can go hang?

Until of course a bigger louder someone else thinks their group is more important than yours.

Well, you forgot the Q's...whoever they are.



2012-09-25 2:11 PM
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2012-09-25 2:13 PM
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ejshowers - 2012-09-25 2:11 PM Q = Queer. 

Thanks.....now I'm as lost as a bastard cat. Laughing

2012-09-25 2:14 PM
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trinnas - 2012-09-25 3:06 PM

for a key group of people at my school.

This is the phrase I was responding to.  The University I am sure has large numbers of students on both sides of the issue.  To say one it key implies the rest lack importance regardless of their position.

Well, you left out the important part: "What is different here is that if the marriage amendment passed, it would be a really big step in the wrong direction for a key group of people at my school."  I didn't understand that to mean that only these "key people" were in favor of the public opposition by the BoT.

I don't know anything about the University, its faculty or its students, but I assume there is a reason the OP said that the LGBTQ (I'm still a little lost on Q) community at this particular university is "key."

 

 

2012-09-25 2:15 PM
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Left Brain - 2012-09-25 3:13 PM

ejshowers - 2012-09-25 2:11 PM Q = Queer. 

Thanks.....now I'm as lost as a bastard cat. Laughing

I think you just roll with it at this point.

 

2012-09-25 2:15 PM
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Think of it as Q = Queer = Questioning how one identifies........



2012-09-25 2:19 PM
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trinnas - 2012-09-25 3:06 PM

for a key group of people at my school.

This is the phrase I was responding to.  The University I am sure has large numbers of students on both sides of the issue.  To say one it key implies the rest lack importance regardless of their position.

Well, you left out the important part: "What is different here is that if the marriage amendment passed, it would be a really big step in the wrong direction for a key group of people at my school."  I didn't understand that to mean that only these "key people" were in favor of the public opposition by the BoT.

I don't know anything about the University, its faculty or its students, but I assume there is a reason the OP said that the LGBTQ (I'm still a little lost on Q) community at this particular university is "key."

 

Neither did I took it as an opinion by the OP but now we are arguing semantics.

The University is supposed to represent a diversity of students not just the "politically correct" ones for lack of a better term.  The best way it can do that is to stay out of the fight.

 

2012-09-25 2:23 PM
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trinnas - 2012-09-25 3:19 PM

The University is supposed to represent a diversity of students not just the "politically correct" ones for lack of a better term.  The best way it can do that is to stay out of the fight.

If a majority of the faculty, a majority of the student body (that's an assumption), the local community and the church associated with the University all oppose the amendment and are calling upon the BoT to publically oppose, does that make it simply "politically correct?"

Staying out of it is one thing, but I think you're quick to decry this particular situation as caving to political correctness.

 

2012-09-25 2:24 PM
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ejshowers - 2012-09-25 3:15 PM

Think of it as Q = Queer = Questioning how one identifies........

Questioning? Like am I a father, a husband, a coach, a triathlete...?

2012-09-25 2:32 PM
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BikerGrrrl - 2012-09-25 11:07 AM

I disagree. I think the University should take a stand here. 

Why do you feel this way?  Voting is an individual thing.  No company or organization should speak on behalf of all of it's members as to where they stand.  When The CEO of General Mills casts his vote, it will be in his name...Not the name of General Mills.  

I think it is ridiculous for Companies/Churches/Organizations to feel that they can speak on behalf of their members.  Especially non-profit/non-taxed organizations.  Taxes and representation should be equal and their money should not be able to sway politics.  (I know...that is ridiculous)

2012-09-25 2:35 PM
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lifejustice - 2012-09-25 3:32 PM

Taxes and representation should be equal and their money should not be able to sway politics.  (I know...that is ridiculous)

Being self-aware is half the battle.

 



2012-09-25 2:55 PM
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I would have to agree with the president of the university on this one.  Good for him for not getting involved in politics which have no bearing on whether or not a good education can be provided by his institution.

While I understand it has a strong community which is very opinionated on the matter it doesn't change the fact that they don't really need to be involved in this topic.  Furthermore, by not taking a stand on this topic he is exemplifying the "focus on diversity."  By not taking a position he is stating that it is acceptable either way according to the university; believe what you want and the university will not judge you. 

x2.  Regardless of the dean's/president's/chancellor's personal opinions it's best for the university to stay out of it.

x3.  The school's primary responsibility is education.  Period.  Leave the freewill to the students to pursue there own agenda.

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2012-09-25 3:07 PM
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Marriage is not a church issue

Most religions would disagree.

Most of the controversy arising from legalizing / banning gay marriage is because marriage is BOTH a religious and legal arrangement.  That's why you'll sometimes see civil unions offered as a way to segment those things.

Some gay marriage proponents argue that marriage is so intertwined into our legal system that civil unions can never be the same, so they won't accept them as a solution.  Religious institutions say marriage belongs to them and they can define it as they please, since they were around long before the government.  Round and round we go.

I think the school is wise to steer clear.

2012-09-25 3:17 PM
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