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 2006-01-12 1:14 PM in reply to: #322014 |
Master  4101   Denver |  Subject: RE: Another staged eventblackbettybambalam - 2006-01-12 10:55 AM "BUT bettylou is was cool to back clinton its cool to hate Bush, so the rules dont apply!" Being one of the younger generation that seem to be so unable to resist what is "cool", I have to post my diagreement. My family is conservative and habitually republican and when Dubya was elected a REALLY TRIED to have faith in him, to trust in his promises and outlook, to keep in mind that he deserved respect as our president. Those who continue to insist that the right/liberals are just spinning events to make him look bad need to stop drinking the koolaid. While BOTH sides are guilty of spinning their stories, you don't have to look far to find shameful acts that the administration is guilty of. I mean this in isolation too, not in comparison to any other administration. I do not base my opinion of the administration by checking in with M.Moore or MTV, but by actually paying attention to world events. I listen to both sides, and make a decision for myself and anyone that has ANY objectivity has got to concede that the manner is which this president conducts himself is problematic and deserving of criticism. that is not to say that the democartic party is without fault. But seriously people, there is a distinction between believing in your chosen political party and supporting a politician. Don't make defending Dubya your mission-save that energy for your workout. I hope that in the future mending fences between the sides and uniting our country will be the focus rather than trying to dissect everyone away from eachother. If you need to remember why defending him is a losing battle, refer to Renee's list. I don't think I could have put it any better. It seems like no one is even capable of seeing someone elses point of view anymore, let alone *gasp* changing theirs. Speaking of which. Now that I think about it... Why should I not be able to see the president just because I'm not a republican. Last time I checked he was supposed to represent every American, not just the ones carrying little red books. Cool avatar by the way. Edited by drewb8 2006-01-12 1:17 PM |
| 2006-01-12 1:21 PM in reply to: #322014 |
Elite 2777  In my bunk with new shoes and purple sweats. | Subject: RE: Another staged event Ole black Betty bamalam, ol black Betty bamalam, Black Betty had a child, damn thing went wild, Ol black Betty bamalam.......but I digress I vote Black Betty as Pres but Renee is THE ENFORCER!!!! |
| 2006-01-12 1:28 PM in reply to: #322612 |
| Extreme Veteran 323 Kochi, Japan | Subject: RE: Another staged event Speaking of which. Now that I think about it... Why should I not be able to see the president just because I'm not a republican. Last time I checked he was supposed to represent every American, not just the ones carrying little red books. Cool avatar by the way. Word. Edited by vonholt 2006-01-12 1:28 PM |
| 2006-01-12 1:29 PM in reply to: #322591 |
Elite 2421 | Subject: RE: Another staged event blackbettybambalam - 2006-01-12 11:55 AM "BUT bettylou is was cool to back clinton its cool to hate Bush, so the rules dont apply!" Being one of the younger generation that seem to be so unable to resist what is "cool", I have to post my diagreement. My family is conservative and habitually republican and when Dubya was elected a REALLY TRIED to have faith in him, to trust in his promises and outlook, to keep in mind that he deserved respect as our president. Those who continue to insist that the right/liberals are just spinning events to make him look bad need to stop drinking the koolaid. While BOTH sides are guilty of spinning their stories, you don't have to look far to find shameful acts that the administration is guilty of. I mean this in isolation too, not in comparison to any other administration. I do not base my opinion of the administration by checking in with M.Moore or MTV, but by actually paying attention to world events. I listen to both sides, and make a decision for myself and anyone that has ANY objectivity has got to concede that the manner is which this president conducts himself is problematic and deserving of criticism. that is not to say that the democartic party is without fault. But seriously people, there is a distinction between believing in your chosen political party and supporting a politician. Don't make defending Dubya your mission-save that energy for your workout. I hope that in the future mending fences between the sides and uniting our country will be the focus rather than trying to dissect everyone away from eachother. If you need to remember why defending him is a losing battle, refer to Renee's list. I like the thought, but couldn't the same be said for slamming Bush. I.E. Why waste your energy slamming Bush? Save that energy for your workout (besides you're rid of him in another 2 and 1/2 years anyway, if you're a dem, you need to save your energy for that fight). And I think I can safely say they'll be pulling their London Fog's snug in h-e-double hockey sticks beforue I ever defer to what Renee says as the be all, end all in a political debate. But that's what makes America great, right Renee? bts P.S. Oh yeah, what Drewb8 said, sweet avatar, especially if it's of you in action... that looks like my max vert and that's with out going forward more than a few yards. |
| 2006-01-12 1:30 PM in reply to: #322628 |
Elite 2777 In my bunk with new shoes and purple sweats. | Subject: RE: Another staged event vonholt - 2006-01-12 2:28 PM Speaking of which. Now that I think about it... Why should I not be able to see the president just because I'm not a republican. Last time I checked he was supposed to represent every American, not just the ones carrying little red books. Cool avatar by the way. Word.I can't trust anything a winter time, speedo wearing ,Bter would say. lol good to hear from you man. |
| 2006-01-12 1:33 PM in reply to: #322629 |
| Pro 4040 | Subject: RE: Another staged event Brett - 2006-01-12 2:29 PM And I think I can safely say they'll be pulling their London Fog's snug in h-e-double hockey sticks beforue I ever defer to what Renee says as the be all, end all in a political debate. While I'm thinking about it, where did that "Stalker" thread get to...? |
| 2006-01-12 1:37 PM in reply to: #322629 |
Buttercup 14334 | Subject: RE: Another staged event Brett - 2006-01-12 1:29 PM But that's what makes America great, right Renee? Precisely. This is where my dislike of Bush turns to despising him - he seems to be disdainful of the very process in which we are engaging - the free flow of contrary ideas. That is what I despise about the POTUS - his very unAmerican, autocratic way. I expect every POTUS to celebrate dissenting voices. Dissent is the American Way. Dissent is the Patriot's Duty. Then I realize he's just a fearful, petty man and my despising turns to compassion. |
| 2006-01-12 1:45 PM in reply to: #322640 |
Elite 2421 | Subject: RE: Another staged event Renee - 2006-01-12 12:37 PM Brett - 2006-01-12 1:29 PM But that's what makes America great, right Renee? Precisely. This is where my dislike of Bush turns to despising him - he seems to be disdainful of the very process in which we are engaging - the free flow of contrary ideas. That is what I despise about the POTUS - his very unAmerican, autocratic way. I expect every POTUS to celebrate dissenting voices. Dissent is the American Way. Dissent is the Patriot's Duty. Then I realize he's just a fearful, petty man and my despising turns to compassion. Ah, Renee, I couldn't disagree with you more... but the Ram Jam fan says that I shouldn't waste my energy on that, so I guess I have to go do my workout now... who am I kidding I'll probably end up wasting that energy hating the French.
bts |
| 2006-01-12 2:02 PM in reply to: #322014 |
Elite 2777 In my bunk with new shoes and purple sweats. | Subject: RE: Another staged event I love it when folks can disagree without name calling. I've got to work on that. |
| 2006-01-12 2:04 PM in reply to: #322668 |
Champion 11641 Fairport, NY | Subject: RE: Another staged event gullahcracker - 2006-01-12 3:02 PM I love it when folks can disagree without name calling. I've got to work on that. yeah buckethead, do that.
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| 2006-01-12 2:11 PM in reply to: #322567 |
| Philadelphia, south of New York and north of DC | Subject: RE: Another staged event drewb8 - As far as dems doing this just as much, please just show me some evidence. I seem to remember several times where Kerry got heckled by Bush suporters because they let anyone into their gatherings. Pro-Life Women Forcibly Dragged From John Kerry Abortion Rally Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- Five pro-life college students were forcibly removed from a pro-abortion rally held by presumptive Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry on Friday. The students were literally dragged off after they began leading a pro-life chant and one woman suffered injuries to her feet as a result. With leaders of NARAL and Planned Parenthood at his side, Kerry held a rally on Friday to tout his pro-abortion position and Planned Parenthood's endorsement prior to Sunday's march for abortion. Supporters began chanting "What do we want? Choice! When do we want it? Now!" The next time through the chant, the students, all women from George Washington University, screamed out "Life!" |
| 2006-01-12 2:16 PM in reply to: #322670 |
Elite 2777 In my bunk with new shoes and purple sweats. | Subject: RE: Another staged event marmadaddy - 2006-01-12 3:04 PM gullahcracker - 2006-01-12 3:02 PM I love it when folks can disagree without name calling. I've got to work on that. yeah buckethead, do that.
LMAO man you are killing me here. Funny, real ^%$@#$% funny |
| 2006-01-12 2:19 PM in reply to: #322676 |
Elite 2777 In my bunk with new shoes and purple sweats. | Subject: RE: Another staged event dontracy - 2006-01-12 3:11 PM drewb8 - As far as dems doing this just as much, please just show me some evidence. I seem to remember several times where Kerry got heckled by Bush suporters because they let anyone into their gatherings. Pro-Life Women Forcibly Dragged From John Kerry Abortion Rally Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- Five pro-life college students were forcibly removed from a pro-abortion rally held by presumptive Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry on Friday. The students were literally dragged off after they began leading a pro-life chant and one woman suffered injuries to her feet as a result. With leaders of NARAL and Planned Parenthood at his side, Kerry held a rally on Friday to tout his pro-abortion position and Planned Parenthood's endorsement prior to Sunday's march for abortion. Supporters began chanting "What do we want? Choice! When do we want it? Now!" The next time through the chant, the students, all women from George Washington University, screamed out "Life!" Do you have the date this occured. I don't believe Kerry ever held a Pro-Abortion rally, but if you have a date I'd like to research it on a , let's say, less biased forum. |
| 2006-01-12 2:24 PM in reply to: #322629 |
Master 4101 Denver | Subject: RE: Another staged event Brett - 2006-01-12 11:29 AM p>I like the thought, but couldn't the same be said for slamming Bush. I.E. Why waste your energy slamming Bush? Save that energy for your workout (besides you're rid of him in another 2 and 1/2 years anyway, if you're a dem, you need to save your energy for that fight). And I think I can safely say they'll be pulling their London Fog's snug in h-e-double hockey sticks beforue I ever defer to what Renee says as the be all, end all in a political debate. But that's what makes America great, right Renee? bts P.S. Oh yeah, what Drewb8 said, sweet avatar, especially if it's of you in action... that looks like my max vert and that's with out going forward more than a few yards. Yeah, it does go both ways. There are as many people slamming Bush (and Clinton) without thinking about why as there are defending them. That doesn't mean its right though. Seems like most people these days (on both sides) don't want to hear the other side of the coin, they just want their own opinions reinforced. Do you think most people these would actually entertain ideas from the opposite party or just shout them down because the other side is always wrong? What bugs me is Bush now claims he wants an open debate and that its patriotic to do so. Only thing is - if you second guess him or don't agree with him you are "irresponsible and abetting the enemy". |
| 2006-01-12 2:24 PM in reply to: #322014 |
Elite 2421 | Subject: RE: Another staged event http://lifenews.com/nat483.html Is where I looked it up... when I was googling that one I saw this link: http://politicsnj.com/kornacki033003_ClintonNJ.htm That talked about a protester being forcibly removed from a recent Hillary Clinton fundraiser. bts Edited by Brett 2006-01-12 2:25 PM |
| 2006-01-12 2:24 PM in reply to: #322014 |
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| 2006-01-12 2:32 PM in reply to: #322014 |
| Pro 4040 | Subject: RE: Another staged event RE: Dragging hecklers out of speaking engagements. I defend any politician who has his people drag hecklers from a speaking engagement. The heckler or protester is there to disrupt the event. Dragging them out so that the event can continue is fine. The issue, to my mind, is when people are not allowed to attend an event at all because they are not card carrying members of the elected politician's party. |
| 2006-01-12 2:33 PM in reply to: #322014 |
Got Wahoo? 5423 San Antonio | Subject: RE: Another staged event I find him a disgusting human being. I can't help it - he is dishonest, stubborn, ignorant, blind, stupid and arrogant - the fact that so many people still defend this man and his agenda tells me that his supporters are dishonest, stubborn, ignorant, blind, stupid and arrogant as well. Forget Michael Moore or O'riley. Objectively, this is not a man with the capacity to represent the wants and needs of the US in a complex world economy that is reaching the apex of oil production, this is a man bent on convincing the US that our wants and needs coincide with his short term and completely pig headed views and the religious right whom he owes his election to.
Can you imagine the amount of alternative energy research the dollars ALREADY spent in this war could fund? 200 years from now oil usage will be miniscule - but there will assuredly be many wars and incredible growing pains to get us there due to hillbillies like jr. with such limited foresight and non-existent mental capacity. What a buffoon.
I'm not embarrassed he's president, I'm appalled. Jus' sayin'.... |
| 2006-01-12 2:40 PM in reply to: #322683 |
| Philadelphia, south of New York and north of DC | Subject: RE: Another staged event gullahcracker - Do you have the date this occured. I don't believe Kerry ever held a Pro-Abortion rally, but if you have a date I'd like to research it on a , let's say, less biased forum. The dateline for the story is April 27th, 2004. It mentions that the rally took place the Friday before, which would make it April 22nd, and that it was in anticipation of the pro-choice march in Washington on a Sunday, which would be April 24th. Edited by dontracy 2006-01-12 2:42 PM |
| 2006-01-12 2:42 PM in reply to: #322703 |
| Pro 4040 | Subject: RE: Another staged event tmwelshy - 2006-01-12 3:33 PM I find him a disgusting human being. I can't help it - he is dishonest, stubborn, ignorant, blind, stupid and arrogant - the fact that so many people still defend this man and his agenda tells me that his supporters are dishonest, stubborn, ignorant, blind, stupid and arrogant as well. Forget Michael Moore or O'riley. Objectively, this is not a man with the capacity to represent the wants and needs of the US in a complex world economy that is reaching the apex of oil production, this is a man bent on convincing the US that our wants and needs coincide with his short term and completely pig headed views and the religious right whom he owes his election to.
Can you imagine the amount of alternative energy research the dollars ALREADY spent in this war could fund? 200 years from now oil usage will be miniscule - but there will assuredly be many wars and incredible growing pains to get us there due to hillbillies like jr. with such limited foresight and non-existent mental capacity. What a buffoon.
I'm not embarrassed he's president, I'm appalled. Jus' sayin'.... Please, don't hold back. |
| 2006-01-12 2:46 PM in reply to: #322688 |
Got Wahoo? 5423 San Antonio | Subject: RE: Another staged event drewb8 - 2006-01-12 1:24 PM Brett - 2006-01-12 11:29 AM p>I like the thought, but couldn't the same be said for slamming Bush. I.E. Why waste your energy slamming Bush? Save that energy for your workout (besides you're rid of him in another 2 and 1/2 years anyway, if you're a dem, you need to save your energy for that fight). Yeah, it does go both ways. There are as many people slamming Bush (and Clinton) without thinking about why as there are defending them. That doesn't mean its right though. Seems like most people these days (on both sides) don't want to hear the other side of the coin, they just want their own opinions reinforced. Do you think most people these would actually entertain ideas from the opposite party or just shout them down because the other side is always wrong? What bugs me is Bush now claims he wants an open debate and that its patriotic to do so. Only thing is - if you second guess him or don't agree with him you are "irresponsible and abetting the enemy".And I think I can safely say they'll be pulling their London Fog's snug in h-e-double hockey sticks beforue I ever defer to what Renee says as the be all, end all in a political debate. But that's what makes America great, right Renee? bts P.S. Oh yeah, what Drewb8 said, sweet avatar, especially if it's of you in action... that looks like my max vert and that's with out going forward more than a few yards. His call for an open debate was laughable... to paraphrase: He wants open debate about Iraq without clouding the issue with oil, weapons of mass destruction or Israel. ...what a fundamentaly dishonest man.... |
| 2006-01-12 2:50 PM in reply to: #322703 |
Elite 2733 Venture Industries, | Subject: RE: Another staged event tmwelshy - 2006-01-12 2:33 PM I find him a disgusting human being. I can't help it - he is dishonest, stubborn, ignorant, blind, stupid and arrogant - the fact that so many people still defend this man and his agenda tells me that his supporters are dishonest, stubborn, ignorant, blind, stupid and arrogant as well. Forget Michael Moore or O'riley. Objectively, this is not a man with the capacity to represent the wants and needs of the US in a complex world economy that is reaching the apex of oil production, this is a man bent on convincing the US that our wants and needs coincide with his short term and completely pig headed views and the religious right whom he owes his election to.
Can you imagine the amount of alternative energy research the dollars ALREADY spent in this war could fund? 200 years from now oil usage will be miniscule - but there will assuredly be many wars and incredible growing pains to get us there due to hillbillies like jr. with such limited foresight and non-existent mental capacity. What a buffoon.
I'm not embarrassed he's president, I'm appalled. Jus' sayin'.... I believe the bush administration has actually spent more money on alternative enregy source research than the previous administration. But what do I know since I'm dishonest, stubborn, ignorant, blind, stupid, and arrogant. Or since I only support some of the presidents policies and oppose some perhaps I'm just 1/2 dishonest, 1/2 stubborn, 1/2 ignorant, 1/2 blind, and 1/2 arrogant. And regarding the entire pandering to religious special interests the fact remains that the last two democratic presidents won because they too courted those voters that identified themsleves as "religious". Calling supporters of the President "dishonest, stubborn, ignorant, blind, stupid and arrogant as well" is hardly even an arguement that bares responding to, it is nothing but name calling and does nothing to advance any type of meaningful discussion about the merits of anything. In essence Welshy is right anyone who disagrees is "dishonest, stubborn, ignorant, blind, stupid and arrogant as well" This type of statement is why people hate debating politics because it inevitably degrades into base name calling, rather than actually debating issues. What, has the Bush administration done in the area of energy that you believe is wrong, or illadvised. This might be a place to start rather than saying Bush is dishonest, stubborn, ignorant, blind, stupid and arrogant as is anyone who supports him. |
| 2006-01-12 3:01 PM in reply to: #322703 |
| Philadelphia, south of New York and north of DC | Subject: RE: Another staged event tmwelshy - and the religious right whom he owes his election to.
Or maybe the religious middle. I don't think Bush won the election as much as Kerry lost it. One constituency that Kerry POd royally is what NPR called "convertible catholics". Personally, I really wanted to vote for Kerry. But the more he talked about his right to receive communion while being in support of abortion rights, the more he sealed his fate. This all gets rather parochial, and it wouldn't have been given much attention by non-catholics. During the campaign, Kerry kept referring to a Vatican II document, Dignitatis Humanae, The Declaration on Religious Liberty, that he said gave him the right to both support abortion laws and receive communion. This being the internet age and all, it was pretty easy to go a read what that document actually said, and it clearly and objecively did not give him that right. But he kept pressing the point and handed Rove a perfect wedge issue. If Kerry had done the right thing and not received communion, and kept his mouth shut about something he either did not understand or chose to ignore, I think enough convertible catholics in Ohio would not have voted for Bush and Kerry would be president. I think he lost the election because of hubris. |
| 2006-01-12 3:01 PM in reply to: #322726 |
Got Wahoo? 5423 San Antonio | Subject: RE: Another staged event ASA22 - 2006-01-12 1:50 PM tmwelshy - 2006-01-12 2:33 PM I believe the bush administration has actually spent more money on alternative enregy source research than the previous administration. But what do I know since I'm dishonest, stubborn, ignorant, blind, stupid, and arrogant. Or since I only support some of the presidents policies and oppose some perhaps I'm just 1/2 dishonest, 1/2 stubborn, 1/2 ignorant, 1/2 blind, and 1/2 arrogant. And regarding the entire pandering to religious special interests the fact remains that the last two democratic presidents won because they too courted those voters that identified themsleves as "religious". Calling supporters of the President "dishonest, stubborn, ignorant, blind, stupid and arrogant as well" is hardly even an arguement that bares responding to, it is nothing but name calling and does nothing to advance any type of meaningful discussion about the merits of anything. In essence Welshy is right anyone who disagrees is "dishonest, stubborn, ignorant, blind, stupid and arrogant as well" This type of statement is why people hate debating politics because it inevitably degrades into base name calling, rather than actually debating issues. What, has the Bush administration done in the area of energy that you believe is wrong, or illadvised. This might be a place to start rather than saying Bush is dishonest, stubborn, ignorant, blind, stupid and arrogant as is anyone who supports him.I find him a disgusting human being. I can't help it - he is dishonest, stubborn, ignorant, blind, stupid and arrogant - the fact that so many people still defend this man and his agenda tells me that his supporters are dishonest, stubborn, ignorant, blind, stupid and arrogant as well. Forget Michael Moore or O'riley. Objectively, this is not a man with the capacity to represent the wants and needs of the US in a complex world economy that is reaching the apex of oil production, this is a man bent on convincing the US that our wants and needs coincide with his short term and completely pig headed views and the religious right whom he owes his election to.
Can you imagine the amount of alternative energy research the dollars ALREADY spent in this war could fund? 200 years from now oil usage will be miniscule - but there will assuredly be many wars and incredible growing pains to get us there due to hillbillies like jr. with such limited foresight and non-existent mental capacity. What a buffoon.
I'm not embarrassed he's president, I'm appalled. Jus' sayin'.... Well, someone did say the conversation hadn't devolved into name calling, so I thought I would help out. That's how I roll...
As to democrats pandering to the "religious" - you're being disingenuous here - you know very well that the "religious" being courted by the demos and bush campaign are two completely different groups, though both want that vote, the bush administration courted and in fact climbed into bed with extreme fundamental religion in a way no other repay has ever been willing to do.
I did not comment on the bush energy plan, merely stated that the money for the war could have been spent here to help obviate oil dependence 20 years from now. The same example could have been used substituting social security funding. P.S. I'm sorry I called you blind. |
I take your point and respect what you are saying, but the way I worded that is "tells me that..."... I just can't fathom how someone could support him and his dishonest decisions.| 2006-01-12 3:05 PM in reply to: #322733 |
Got Wahoo? 5423 San Antonio | Subject: RE: Another staged event I agree - I voted for Kerry, but would not have if McCain were running against him - this is not a repub/demo issue for me - I will vote for McCain in 08 if he runs - for me this is a fundamental distrust and lack of faith in jr. |
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