Is Chivlary dead? (Page 2)
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() gypsykorea - 2005-02-09 10:27 AM It is not about being a gentleman to women anymore. It is about it being a two-way street because we are equals both capable of opening doors, pumping gas, etc. I would go to say that most, not all, of men that always open car doors, etc. for their significants are in a relatively new relationship still or have wives that tend to be more traditional in values. Such as a stay at home mom. edited to add: or as stated above, trying to get you in the sack. Just my opinion. Gypsy..as been the going trend this week, I couldn't disagree with you more! (you shouldn't be suprised) In my answer above, I believe I said "friend", not a girlfriend or a significant other or "someone I am trying to get in the sack". This BS about being equal...good for them if women are becoming equal...it is about time, but damn if I am going to let a lady pump gas for me. Hell, I have enough trouble letting one pay for dinner...even a friend! I hold open doors, pay for dinners, lend them my coat when it is cold, and even pump their gas if needed, because it is a courtesy and the RIGHT thing to do...no because they are a "weaker sex" or becuase I need to feel better as a man. with thoughts like these...maybe Chivalry is dying. |
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Member![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Cavu - I would expect nothing less from an officer and a gentlman, lol. Hey, just my opinion, but if she makes more money than me. I have no problem with J.Lo buying me dinner. I also have no problem with Jessi Stensland getting out and pumping her own darn gas, lol. I know her legs aint broke. Comments aside I am pretty courteous but it extends both ways. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Very well. I am beginning to give a bit on the dinner thing, but let me know when Jessi is out of gas...I would pump her gas anyday!!! |
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Member![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Also, why is it the right thing to do if they are equal? Somehow I think it does make people feel more manly. When I lend my coat to my wife and freeze my @$$ off I can tell you it is because I am the man. I can tell you the reason I do the things that are remotely dangerous around the house because I am the man. It is what as a man I am supposed to do. SO does it make me feel more like a man, yes. I grew up in a house where the man was considered to provider and the one who should do more physical labor because well the women aren't as capable. Now, when you ask a kid who has a stay at home dad and a Mom that makes a 6 figure income. I bet he doesn't look at women or men in the same light as I do. He sees it being okay for a man to fill the traditional role of a woman. To not pay the bills, to not pay for dinner, yadda yadda. To not be a "manly man". It is a societal issue in my opinion. Edited by gypsykorea 2005-02-09 12:17 PM |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Very well. I am beginning to give a bit on the dinner thing, but let me know when Jessi is out of gas...I would pump her gas anyday!!! |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Oops! Damn! Triple-post. I tend to get a bit excited just thinking of Jessi. Edited by Cavu9 2005-02-09 12:19 PM |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Machiavelo - 2005-02-09 8:31 AM "A friend at work, who has an obvious case of pregnancy was telling how she was at a superbowl party and she ended up sitting on the floor despite her condition because no one would get up from the couch to offer her their seat." Crap! What kind of people attended this party? Was this a party given by some weird tribe raised by wild dogs????? Yeah, we were pretty "floored" too when she mentioned that. I'd agree that these days its general manners that seem to suffer - holding the door open for people (and saying thanks when someone holds it for you - a pet peeve), giving up your seat or saying please and thanks. In fact I once met a girl at a bar just because she heard me say please when ordering a drink. |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Hey Christy I skipped out on work today so you have to call me on my cell. Do you ever wake up hating your job, well I guess not, but that's not the point? I couldn't picture myself sitting in that damn cubicle all day. Gotta work on that attitude. I know its because I am tired. |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Jessi, need me to treat you today? Let me know if you want to come up. we can do taxes. haha. I also have a spin in Frisco if you want to join me. |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() It's definitely not dead. I almost always open doors for my wife, unlock her side of the car first, then shut the door for her, carry things for her, etc. I think sometimes it surprises some of the women I work with when I do things like that, especially the car door thing, but that was the way I was brought up. Chris |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Don't give up on Texas just yet Christie! There are good guys out there...okay, maybe a bit fewer in North Texas...but there are some of us out there! You had to tip a guy $20 to help you carry something??? In Texas??? Shocking...I thought tipping was for those on the East coast... I held the elevator once for a girl coming out of the snow...She was shocked, she said no one had ever held the elevator for her in California. Midwest is the place to be...the gentlemen are out there, chivalry isn't dead...just maybe tougher to find now a days...Random acts of kindness are fun. I enjoy making someone else crack a smile! That being said...here's a question from the opposite stance, dating and dinner. I'm always happy to pay for dinner especially on the first date. But...say the dates continue and she never even offers to pay or offers to split...that screams spoiled and ungrateful...If she offers to pay...I'll still pick up the tab...but the offer is nice to hear...am I right on this one? |
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Veteran![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Mostly anyway. I find that particularly true here in the NY Metro. |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() cdf26.2 - 2005-02-09 1:11 PM It's definitely not dead. I almost always open doors for my wife, unlock her side of the car first, then shut the door for her, carry things for her, etc. I think sometimes it surprises some of the women I work with when I do things like that, especially the car door thing, but that was the way I was brought up. Chris good for you! and Cavu9, and all the other gents and polite people of any gender..... |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Ozmokis - 2005-02-09 1:48 PM That being said...here's a question from the opposite stance, dating and dinner. I'm always happy to pay for dinner especially on the first date. But...say the dates continue and she never even offers to pay or offers to split...that screams spoiled and ungrateful...If she offers to pay...I'll still pick up the tab...but the offer is nice to hear...am I right on this one? I would say yes, you are correct. Or rather than "correct" I would say that that sounds both fair and polite. When I was single, that is how things went, usually. But after about date 4, I would say that if there was something I wanted to do and I did the asking, I would pay and would be happy to have my friend be my guest for that event. |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Yeah. I was pretty surprised. My family is from the north, and we've moved around quite a bit. I love the south b/c people down here are naturally friendly and positive. Maybe its the weather. But when I'm back in Toronto or Ottawa, and I ask how someone they're doing, the common reply is "not bad". But down in Texas, the response is "pretty good". I donno. Maybe thats just my experience. Also, if your walking on the sidewalk, people up north generally will brush your shoulder and keep walking (same thing over the pond in London), but down here, you stop and apologize/ acknowlege that person. I'm still hoping to find a good ole southern boy. I guess thats my romantic side. Now for the dating question. I always offer to pay my way, I never just sit there. I'd feel rude if i didn't comment on it. Like offer dutch or next time or whatever. And I always carry cash b/c you never want to be stuck. Now, if a guy asks me out for a "date" and I have to pay my way, it might also be the last date. And if a guys opens the car door for me, I always lean over and unlock their door. Wasn't that on a movie? "Bronx Tale" or something? |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() If I ask, I pay. If you ask, you pay. Then again I am also the girl who will ask a guy out on a date. If he pushes the issue, I will let him pay to make him feel better about it. But if I thought you were worth asking out, then I think putting a little money down won't hurt my pockets either. Come to think of it though I am also the weird one that prefers asking a guy out, so that if it doesn't go well I don't feel bad dropping him. You know, my choice, bad mistake, Bye Bye. |
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Member![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() agree with above. That is how I worked my dates. Although, If I could afford it I would typically pay but expected her to offer if the date was her idea. Same applies to the guy who wouldn't pay as to the girl. She isn't getting another date if she is only out to have fun at my bank accounts expense. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Christie - 2005-02-09 2:59 PM I'm still hoping to find a good ole southern boy. I guess thats my romantic side. Now for the dating question. I always offer to pay my way, I never just sit there. I'd feel rude if i didn't comment on it. Like offer dutch or next time or whatever. And I always carry cash b/c you never want to be stuck. Now, if a guy asks me out for a "date" and I have to pay my way, it might also be the last date. And if a guys opens the car door for me, I always lean over and unlock their door. Wasn't that on a movie? "Bronx Tale" or something? Well, good thing you didn't put an age requirement on that statement above! There is still hope! (** crosses fingers**) But I do have to say that I am still waiting on the "dating question" from above that you started to ask. |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Golden! Not sure what movie...but Kudos on unlocking the door...those little things don't go unnoticed. I actually brought that up once in an argument years ago in high school...good stuff. Thank goodness for keyless remote entry today! def...if a guy invites you out...he picks up the tab...it should be his last if he doesn't. oh...and I find people from MN generally pretty friendly as well. Australians are the nicest I've met so far, although that maybe because I was a foreigner... good point gypsykorea...I ran across it for the first time a while back. Generally, most girls will at least offer...but after the 4th date and not even a mention of dutch or offer or picking up a drink...it was time...well that...and she couldn't carry a conversation...oh well, such is life. |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() not me. the dating question was from ozmokis |
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Regular![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Christie, Well it's about time somebody started looking for us good ol' southern boys. Now I know I've still got a chance! Of course, I'm only 22 so I'm not that worried...yet... P.S. - I've usually got sweet tea on tap. |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() LOL |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Exactly! |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I find people most people are generally polite. I always smile, open doors, hold doors, offer to carry old people's groceries, and I find for the most part I get that same politeness right back. When someone goes out of their way to be polite to me, it makes my day, and I in turn pass it on. (but when I'm in a cranky-bitch mood - watch out I agree with what someone here said, that it's a bit creepy when it's forced. (from a dating perspective). You can tell in the first 15 minutes which guys are genuine good people, and which ones have just learned the right lines and moves, to be used at their convenience. It took me 18 years of dating to learn the difference, appreciate the difference, celebrate the difference, and finally marry the difference!!!! |
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