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2008-10-30 9:16 AM in reply to: #1774544 |
Not a Coach 11473![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Media, PA | Subject: RE: Weights and cycling/running in "1" workoutMikeTheBear - 2008-10-29 8:00 PM I don't often agree with Jorge but your example comes from rowing, which requires a bigger base of strength and power than the triathlon sports. I doubt you'd find a successful rowing team that doesn't incorporate power cleans into their programs. Wondering how much you know about rowing. I knew some "successful" rowing teams that didn't incorporate power cleans. I was part of some of them. We did some weight circuits, though mostly when we were unable to get on the water due to weather. That is, it wasn't integral to our training but simply an add-on. Our coaches would MUCH rather have had us out on the water. |
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2008-10-30 9:23 AM in reply to: #1765535 |
Expert 986![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Michiana | Subject: RE: Weights and cycling/running in "1" workoutI don't weight-train year round, but in the past two "Off-seasons" I followed Friel's regimen. I've found that a short Z1/Z2 run of 20-30 minutes helpful to warm-up prior to lifting, especially once past Friel's AA phase. You don't want to be lifting high percentage of max with "cold" muscles. I've found EZ swims to be fantastic cool-downs from weight training. Again, just EZ 20-30 minutes focusing on technique with ample rest between reps, as the lats, tricepts, biceps are likely fatigued. In the winter, I've enjoyed this type of day at the gym/pool...
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2008-10-30 9:28 AM in reply to: #1775287 |
Resident Curmudgeon 25290![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() The Road Back | Subject: RE: Weights and cycling/running in "1" workoutJohnnyKay - 2008-10-30 9:16 AM MikeTheBear - 2008-10-29 8:00 PM I don't often agree with Jorge but your example comes from rowing, which requires a bigger base of strength and power than the triathlon sports. I doubt you'd find a successful rowing team that doesn't incorporate power cleans into their programs. Wondering how much you know about rowing. I knew some "successful" rowing teams that didn't incorporate power cleans. I was part of some of them. We did some weight circuits, though mostly when we were unable to get on the water due to weather. That is, it wasn't integral to our training but simply an add-on. Our coaches would MUCH rather have had us out on the water. I'd advise hill repeats! Row Lots! |
2008-10-30 9:34 AM in reply to: #1775321 |
Not a Coach 11473![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Media, PA | Subject: RE: Weights and cycling/running in "1" workoutthe bear - 2008-10-30 10:28 AM JohnnyKay - 2008-10-30 9:16 AM MikeTheBear - 2008-10-29 8:00 PM I don't often agree with Jorge but your example comes from rowing, which requires a bigger base of strength and power than the triathlon sports. I doubt you'd find a successful rowing team that doesn't incorporate power cleans into their programs. Wondering how much you know about rowing. I knew some "successful" rowing teams that didn't incorporate power cleans. I was part of some of them. We did some weight circuits, though mostly when we were unable to get on the water due to weather. That is, it wasn't integral to our training but simply an add-on. Our coaches would MUCH rather have had us out on the water. I'd advise hill repeats! Row Lots! LOL! We actually did hill repeats on some of those days when we couldn't get out on the water. They really sucked for us non-runners! (And the purpose was both to work hard, regardless if it helped us get faster in the boat, and build "team".) |
2008-10-30 1:35 PM in reply to: #1765535 |
Extreme Veteran 669![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Olathe, Kansas | Subject: RE: Weights and cycling/running in "1" workoutHere is the summary of what I would suggest to the original poster of this thread: 1. Fitness is an art just as much as science 2. Apply two training principles: Specificity: If time limited, cycle specific strength training first (big gear into the wind, hill repeats), that is what previous group of posters suggested, that is a sound advice. This is your best bang for the buck. Individuality: If you already cycle 4xweek or more, incorporate, I suggest Joe Friel's routine and listen to your body, learn and correlate and see if it works for you 3. Find ways( this is challenging to do) to quantify changes that are taking place, so that you can objectively conclude wether it helps or not. Give it some time too. What Jorge probably wanted to emphasize is that avarage AGer has TIME as the greatest limiter. Facing that, we have to be very effective in picking and completing workouts that would provide you with the most benefit vs time invested. That is where the principle of specificity plays. Cycling specific strength should yield the most result in that respect. If you are already covering all the angles and would like to add a little and experiment, do a triathlon strength specific routine, core and stretch routine. You can't do any harm. Part of the beauty of this sport and self coaching is trial and error. You will be more in tune with your body. You will learn more about the subject as you will find out if it works or not. Also be advised that scientific comunity lacks concrete evidence to support in favor or oppose the strength training in triathlon as it is very tough to objectively conduct various studies to prove the point. One of the guys above brought that up. Same gentleman mentioned that resistance has been used for long time in medical comunity for injury rehabilitation. The current wisdom says that if the muscles sarrounding tendons are exhibiting weekness or imbalance, injuries are likely. That is a common wisdom in running community as well. That maybe a reason worth trying the strength training. Is everything I quoted here from literature 100% correct. Probably not. Remember, fitness is an art just as much as science. |
2008-10-30 1:56 PM in reply to: #1776167 |
Not a Coach 11473![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Media, PA | Subject: RE: Weights and cycling/running in "1" workoutatasic - 2008-10-30 2:35 PM Here is the summary of what I would suggest to the original poster of this thread: 1. Fitness is an art just as much as science 3. Find ways( this is challenging to do) to quantify changes that are taking place, so that you can objectively conclude wether it helps or not. Give it some time too. What Jorge probably wanted to emphasize is that avarage AGer has TIME as the greatest limiter. Facing that, we have to be very effective in picking and completing workouts that would provide you with the most benefit vs time invested. That is where the principle of specificity plays. Cycling specific strength should yield the most result in that respect. If you are already covering all the angles and would like to add a little and experiment, do a triathlon strength specific routine, core and stretch routine. You can't do any harm. Part of the beauty of this sport and self coaching is trial and error. You will be more in tune with your body. You will learn more about the subject as you will find out if it works or not. Also be advised that scientific comunity lacks concrete evidence to support in favor or oppose the strength training in triathlon as it is very tough to objectively conduct various studies to prove the point. One of the guys above brought that up. Same gentleman mentioned that resistance has been used for long time in medical comunity for injury rehabilitation. The current wisdom says that if the muscles sarrounding tendons are exhibiting weekness or imbalance, injuries are likely. That is a common wisdom in running community as well. That maybe a reason worth trying the strength training. Is everything I quoted here from literature 100% correct. Probably not. Remember, fitness is an art just as much as science. That's a pretty well-balanced post. But I'd be remiss if I didn't point out that with ragrds to your point #3, there is absolutely no way to "objectively conclude whether it helps or not". By definition, your view will be entirely subjective and yo uwill have no way to isolate what helped or hurt you. That's neither good nor bad, just is. Even if you believe it works for you, it may or it may not from any kind of physiological persepective. That's why I think the best generalized advice with regards to strength training is to do it if you enjoy it and it makes you feel 'better' (and you get to define 'better' however you like, i.e., faster, stronger, more toned,... because its all about feel and your own opinion). |
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2008-10-30 3:53 PM in reply to: #1765535 |
Extreme Veteran 1234![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() West Michigan | Subject: RE: Weights and cycling/running in "1" workoutEverything in life is judged and analyzed through our own Paradigm(s) and a subject like weights and triathlon is sure to bring up differences of opinon. Because neither the "pro" or "con" side can conclusively convince the other of their beliefs, this topic is amusing to observe in a thread format. However, to answer the OP, you should lift if you like it, have the time and are getting in the proper number of swim bike and run workouts for your plan. If you don't have the time for all of it, weights should be the first to go...... |
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