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2010-02-01 8:12 PM
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Subject: RE: Road ID question for the EMT crowd:
Gaarryy - 2009-07-24 1:38 PM

do EMT's have access/ability/time to pull up a website while out on a call??  would be my question

I'll ask them we have quite a few pass through my  work,


Nor do ER docs/nurses in a crisis. Save your dough & just include a contact number for a loved one. Agree that if your medical hx is significant (type 1 DM, asthmatic, latex allergy) use the lines of text for that important stuff.


2010-02-01 8:15 PM
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The info that's on mine (dog tag style)

Name/DOB/Allergies/4 contact numbers (mother & father, home & cell)
2010-02-01 8:32 PM
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Subject: RE: Road ID question for the EMT crowd:

Gaarryy - 2009-07-24 2:38 PM do EMT's have access/ability/time to pull up a website while out on a call??  would be my question

I'll ask them we have quite a few pass through my  work,

They may not have immediate access to it, but can ask a dispatcher to assist with it or hand it off in an ER for that staff to get info.  EMS guys give minimal drugs (ie--enough to keep you beating & breathing, sedation if they have to toss a tube in your throat).  If they had to giva a narc and you reacted to it they have enough other stuff to combat that allergic reaction that  you'd be okay.

in my former life I spent 15 years chasing squads in the ER.....

2010-02-01 10:01 PM
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Subject: RE: Road ID question for the EMT crowd:
Interesting thread.  I recently had a friend that had a bicycle accident and knocked herself unconscious for a few minutes.  A motorist stopped and called 911.  She had a ROAD ID tag on her shoe.  The fire dept & EMT's didn't find it.  They also did not find her cell phone or ID because they cut off her jersey and set it aside.  Luckily she came back pretty quickly and was able to provide her info.

I mentioned this incident to my neighbor who is a 20 year veteran in the local fire dept.  Interestingly enough he had no idea that ROAD ID existed.  He also had no idea that cyclist had pockets in their jersey that they carry their cell phone and ID.  He immediately shared this information with his squad.  

All of this prompted me to order a ROAD ID bracelet.  I showed it to him and he said the emergency information would be found when they went to check for a pulse.

Now when I see fireman out at the grocery store or eating out at a restaurant I approach them and tell them the story of my friend and ask if they knew cyclist carry their call phone and ID in their rear pockets.  None of them to date have known that cyclist have pockets in their jersey or that we carry ID. They all seem appreciate of the info I provided them and say they will pass the word along.

So it's up to all of us to spread the word one fireman at a time.
 
2010-02-01 10:17 PM
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whollins - 2010-02-01 9:01 PM

Interesting thread.  I recently had a friend that had a bicycle accident and knocked herself unconscious for a few minutes.  A motorist stopped and called 911.  She had a ROAD ID tag on her shoe.  The fire dept & EMT's didn't find it.  They also did not find her cell phone or ID because they cut off her jersey and set it aside.  Luckily she came back pretty quickly and was able to provide her info.

I mentioned this incident to my neighbor who is a 20 year veteran in the local fire dept.  Interestingly enough he had no idea that ROAD ID existed.  He also had no idea that cyclist had pockets in their jersey that they carry their cell phone and ID.  He immediately shared this information with his squad.  

All of this prompted me to order a ROAD ID bracelet.  I showed it to him and he said the emergency information would be found when they went to check for a pulse.

Now when I see fireman out at the grocery store or eating out at a restaurant I approach them and tell them the story of my friend and ask if they knew cyclist carry their call phone and ID in their rear pockets.  None of them to date have known that cyclist have pockets in their jersey or that we carry ID. They all seem appreciate of the info I provided them and say they will pass the word along.

So it's up to all of us to spread the word one fireman at a time.
 


Thanks for this info! Time for a massive education campaign.
2010-02-01 10:31 PM
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AdventureBear - 2010-02-01 11:17 PM
 Thanks for this info! Time for a massive education campaign.

Yep! Awesome job, whollins, for spreadin' the word. I've told every crew I come in contact with, every training I go to, and my EMT class that spread to the four corners. Never thought to mention cycling jerseys, though, but we have a massive cycling event around here that most of the local departments help with in some way, so I would guess most of them already know.


2010-02-01 11:01 PM
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Subject: RE: Road ID question for the EMT crowd:
After reading this...I think I'm leaning toward ordering the dog tag style....

The bracelets seem too wide 1" anyone that owns one feel free to comment.....(Please)

Plus I would assume that most medical folks check your neck as that is were many carry medical id infor correct?

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2010-02-01 11:34 PM
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I've told every crew I come in contact with, every training I go to, and my EMT class that spread to the four corners. Never thought to mention cycling jerseys, though, but we have a massive cycling event around here that most of the local departments help with in some way, so I would guess most of them already know.
Don't assume they already know. My neighbor said there are cyclist on his crew and they have never mentioned the pockets in the jersey. I guess they assumed everyone knew that cyclist have pockets in the back of their jersey. After all where would we carry anything? The last line of my road id says "Phone/ID in rear pockets".
2010-02-01 11:39 PM
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Subject: RE: Road ID question for the EMT crowd:
I have the elite band. It's no different than wearing a watch. It just becomes part of your outfit/routine before you go out to train each day. I opted for the upgrade to the elite because I thought the rubber band material would be easier to clean/maintain vs. the material on the standard version. I live in the desert so it may not be an issue in cooler climates.
2010-02-01 11:39 PM
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KCD1974 - 2010-02-01 9:01 PM After reading this...I think I'm leaning toward ordering the dog tag style....

The bracelets seem too wide 1" anyone that owns one feel free to comment.....(Please)

Plus I would assume that most medical folks check your neck as that is were many carry medical id infor correct?

Thanks for you help.... 


Dog tags can get ripped off, the very first thing that EMT does is check for pulse, so hence why wrist bracelets is best. It's not that much better than a watch.  They do have the Elite one that's a bit thinner if you want to go that route.


On mine it says Cochlear Implants NO MRI. That's the very important thing since if there's a head injury, the first thing the hospital will do is MRI, hence why I needed to get it.

2010-02-01 11:49 PM
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whollins - 2010-02-01 9:39 PM I have the elite band. It's no different than wearing a watch. It just becomes part of your outfit/routine before you go out to train each day. I opted for the upgrade to the elite because I thought the rubber band material would be easier to clean/maintain vs. the material on the standard version. I live in the desert so it may not be an issue in cooler climates.


I have the standard version and the only thing is if you get Red or blue - it changes to a lighter color due to the sunny days. Other than that, I never had any issues with it with being in the desert.


2010-02-02 1:06 AM
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KCD1974 - 2010-02-02 12:01 AM After reading this...I think I'm leaning toward ordering the dog tag style....

The bracelets seem too wide 1" anyone that owns one feel free to comment.....(Please)

Plus I would assume that most medical folks check your neck as that is were many carry medical id infor correct?

Thanks for you help.... 

I also have a thing about choking, so I never wear anything around my neck when exercising. I never got to meet my uncle due to a choking accident, so it is kind of ingrained in the family. I'm thinking of getting the Elite for more "formal" (less obvious) occasions. I wear mine pretty much ALL the time, though part of that is because I never know when I'll head out for a SAR call, or even just stop off for a hike on the way to/from somewhere. Watch on one wrist, RoadID on the other. Works for me!
2010-02-02 1:38 AM
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Subject: RE: Road ID question for the EMT crowd:
I used to be an EMT-D for NYC-EMS from 1991-1995, so while I am not current, I have met plenty of unconscious people  Laughing

Maybe things have changed, but as a medic, no chance of me going to a website, or even making any telephone calls. the hospital would handle those. What would interest me is what I put on my Road ID:

In addition to the name and contact number, I added No Medical History/No Allergies/No Meds.

Which is what an EMT needs to know.
2010-02-02 5:21 AM
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Paramedic here.  I would definitely not look at the site.  If you are down to the point that I can't talk to you I have a million other things I will be doing like drawing up drugs, intubating, etc...  The hospital might use something like that but I doubt they would think of it in an emergency.  For me the BIG things are emergency contact numbers and any allergies or preexisting conditions.  We do look for medic alert bracelets so having that info on the bracelet would be handy.  Otherwise RoadID is good for law enforcement to be able to contact family if we don't know who you are.
2010-02-02 6:15 AM
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Subject: RE: Road ID question for the EMT crowd:
CyborgQueen - 2010-02-02 12:39 AM
KCD1974 - 2010-02-01 9:01 PM After reading this...I think I'm leaning toward ordering the dog tag style....

The bracelets seem too wide 1" anyone that owns one feel free to comment.....(Please)

Plus I would assume that most medical folks check your neck as that is were many carry medical id infor correct?

Thanks for you help.... 


Dog tags can get ripped off, the very first thing that EMT does is check for pulse, so hence why wrist bracelets is best. It's not that much better than a watch.  They do have the Elite one that's a bit thinner if you want to go that route.


On mine it says Cochlear Implants NO MRI. That's the very important thing since if there's a head injury, the first thing the hospital will do is MRI, hence why I needed to get it.



I don't think I would agree with this reasoning.  The chain of a dog tag is very thin and easily shoved aside, and also designed with a certain amount of tensile strength, making it hard to just rip off or cut. Medic Alert tags come in both dog tag and wrist styles, and so these are the most likely places an EMT will look. I think it really comes down to an issue of comfort and style which one appeals more to you.  I have a wrist Road ID, and recently got a set of dog tags because I was experiencing some numbness in my hand (which I think has more to do with my bike position, but I am trying to elimate other possible causes). I have my name, address, and ICE contact.  I may get it redone to add DOB and NKDA (no known drug allergies) - that seems like helpful information.
2010-02-02 6:16 AM
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I'm near military installations so dog tags are one of the first things 1st responders look for. I got the dog tag version with Name, DOB and four phone numbers including my home number. I figure cops can figure out where I live from the phone number and anyone else can call my family and ask or tell them about the corpse they found under a car in spandex.

After working around 1st responders for about 6-7 years now I've found that the IDs on the shoes are about worthless or good only as a secondary item. You're either going to lose your shoes or they're going to get cut off before anyone thinks to read them. Wrist for pulse and neck for dog tags will always be on you or you've got more important things to worry about than identification.


2010-02-02 7:27 AM
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Subject: RE: Road ID question for the EMT crowd:
I have WAY more information on my dog tags than I do on my RoadID - but my brother bought my RoadID for me.  I love it - but with my dog tags I have "No Allergies", my blood type and "organ donor" on it.  As well as my name and phone number and two emergency numbers.  I often wear both - since my dog tags don't bother me at all and my RoadID is really comfortable.
2010-02-02 7:31 AM
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I have been wearing the standard version, the velcro is finally getting worn out after about a year. Thats with alot of time in the pool too. I pretty much have it on all the time, and I dont even notice it. I have my allergies listed at the bottom, maybe on the new one I should put this info first after name and dob?  I may order the newer thin style. Also does the color make a difference to first responders? I would use red if I only wore it during exercise, but I will prob pick blue or black, because I plan on wearing it constantly like a watch. I could never remember to grab the ID for exercise, I forget to bring the HR strap half the time, Im sure it would be the same with ID if I didnt wear it constantly.
2010-02-02 6:23 PM
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Silver_wlf - 2010-02-02 8:27 AM I have WAY more information on my dog tags than I do on my RoadID - but my brother bought my RoadID for me.  I love it - but with my dog tags I have "No Allergies", my blood type and "organ donor" on it.  As well as my name and phone number and two emergency numbers.  I often wear both - since my dog tags don't bother me at all and my RoadID is really comfortable.


It's been said on similar threads, but is worth repeating, that having your blood type on an ID is not really helpful or useful.  They are still going to type and cross any blood they give you, and not just take the word of your ID.  For that matter, when I worked in a blood bank as a tech, even if our own hospital records said you were, for example, A+, we would still type and cross the unit for transfusion.  So while it won't slow anything down (or speed anything up), if you have something better to use that space for (another contact number? list of meds? name of primary care physician?), I would not hesitate to drop the blood type.

Kudos, though, for including the organ donor statement.  If for some reason your drivers license isn't around (and it must not be, if they are depending on your tags to ID you), that may help if they need to know it is OK to harvest the organs and there is a time crunch.
2010-02-02 10:59 PM
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For those with the dog tag style...do you get one tag or two?
2010-02-03 12:12 AM
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Yep, I have organ donor as well. Not as good as my friend's tat on her wrist, but it'll do! Also have my allergies and only medical info that is significant in an emergency. My BFF decided to put bipolar because we figured there are some instances where that might be an immediate issue.

I figure the hospital that I am most likely to go to (presuming I get injured around here) has all my other medical history. The only thing not on there that would worry me about being in another hospital is if they do an MRI and see a whole bunch of lesions. However, that's where having two contact numbers, both of whom know my medical history, will help explain that (and they both have legal permission to give access to my home hospital's med records). That's also why I use a RoadID instead of DL - my DL won't tell them anything about who to ask for more info. My cat just isn't going to know all the ins and outs, even if my DL did have my home number, which it doesn't...


2010-02-03 5:53 AM
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KCD1974 - 2010-02-02 10:59 PM For those with the dog tag style...do you get one tag or two?


I have two - because you can only get 5 lines on a tag - that's not enough information.  So mine have different info on each.  They usually come with silencers - so it's not like there's a noise issue.
2010-02-03 2:23 PM
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Subject: RE: Road ID question for the EMT crowd:
Medical folks, is this better than the Medic Alert id's? I have some imp. info on mine, reviewed by my PCP, and I know I'm in a database should the hospital want to check for more detailed info. Is the Road ID any better for this? Or just another business copying an idea to make some cash?  
2010-02-03 2:51 PM
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I'd say it is apples and oranges. I have a Road ID because I don't have a medical alert tag. Don't need one.  But the medical alert doesn't usually have contact details, or do they? In any case, for those who don't have health problems, and have no need for a medical alert tag, the Road ID does the job.
2010-02-03 3:07 PM
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r1237h - 2010-02-03 4:51 PM I'd say it is apples and oranges. I have a Road ID because I don't have a medical alert tag. Don't need one.  But the medical alert doesn't usually have contact details, or do they? In any case, for those who don't have health problems, and have no need for a medical alert tag, the Road ID does the job.


Gotcha- the hospital contacts Medic Alert with the tag's ID# and obtains the pertinent contact (and other) details that way. We also carry a card in our wallet that has that 'extra' information on it, but I don't take that with me when I'm training.
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