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 2005-08-09 1:35 PM in reply to: #220747 |
Elite  2777     In my bunk with new shoes and purple sweats. |  Subject: RE: $2.50 for regular gasdibujob - 2005-08-09 1:24 PM What's a neocon? Drew, Drew, Drew, Drew, Drew, my friend. Neo-Conservative. a la not a Barry Goldwater type such as myself but more the Newt Gingrich/Rush Limbaugh types. Not saying one is any better or worse, just different. |
| 2005-08-09 1:56 PM in reply to: #220275 |
| Extreme Veteran 573 IL | Subject: RE: $2.50 for regular gas |
| 2005-08-09 2:01 PM in reply to: #220787 |
Elite 2777 In my bunk with new shoes and purple sweats. | Subject: RE: $2.50 for regular gas dibujob - 2005-08-09 1:56 PM Who's Barry Goldwater? lol Yeah, I don't have much of a grasp on politics. That's OK Drew, I don't understand "snizzle my nizzle", although I think it would make a cool southern greeting. "Snizzle my nizzle, y'all". No Hijack intended, just trying to offer a little Civics help from a ole dude to a young dude.  |
| 2005-08-09 2:05 PM in reply to: #220793 |
Pro 4481 Reston | Subject: RE: $2.50 for regular gas gullahcracker - 2005-08-09 3:01 PM dibujob - 2005-08-09 1:56 PM That's OK Drew, I don't understand "snizzle my nizzle", although I think it would make a cool southern greeting. "Snizzle my nizzle, y'all". No Hijack intended, just trying to offer a little Civics help from a ole dude to a young dude. Who's Barry Goldwater? lol Yeah, I don't have much of a grasp on politics. That would be "Fo Shizzle, My Nizzle" |
| 2005-08-09 3:05 PM in reply to: #220275 |
Master 1670 Harvard, Illinois | Subject: RE: $2.50 for regular gas I just wish they could make ethanol at an efficient price. Then some of the farmers wouldn't have to receive payouts from the feds, they would be making some decent cash for the crops and probably not motivated to sell to new home developers. Mike |
| 2005-08-09 3:37 PM in reply to: #220887 |
Elite 2777 In my bunk with new shoes and purple sweats. | Subject: RE: $2.50 for regular gas Rowdy - 2005-08-09 3:05 PM I just wish they could make ethanol at an efficient price. Then some of the farmers wouldn't have to receive payouts from the feds, they would be making some decent cash for the crops and probably not motivated to sell to new home developers. Mike Mike, I've been interested in ethanol and biodiesel production since I helped one of our kids do a science experiment about alternative fuels. We cooked up some biodiesel here in our kitchen and it worked. Could easily cut imports 20-30% by using agri alternatives. Have hope because the higher the price at the pump the more lucrative the alternative fuel market becomes. The ethanol market will develope along with the biodiesel market since you need the ethanol as an octane boost for the biodiesel. In the movie "The Graduate" the future buzzword was "plastics". Perhaps our word will be "date palms". Your point is a good one. |
| 2005-08-09 5:41 PM in reply to: #220275 |
Supersonicus Idioticus 2439 Thunder Bay, ON | Subject: RE: $2.50 for regular gas I'm surprised a Canadian hasn't mentionned this yet. I paid $0.989/litre today. Let's round to $1.00. There are 3.8ish litres per US gallon, that makes $3.80/gallon. $3.80>$2.50. Is that right? |
| 2005-08-09 5:56 PM in reply to: #220275 |
Master 4101 Denver | Subject: RE: $2.50 for regular gas Yes but CA$3.80 = US$0.08. |
| 2005-08-09 6:03 PM in reply to: #221038 |
Veteran 150 Citrus Heights, CA (Sacramento) | Subject: RE: $2.50 for regular gas drewb8 - 2005-08-09 2:56 PMYes but CA$3.80 = US$0.08. BWAHAHAHAHA.... Actually $3.80 CAD = $3.13 USD |
| 2005-08-09 6:25 PM in reply to: #220275 |
Champion 8903 | Subject: RE: $2.50 for regular gas The average American needs to get off his/her high horse and stop insisting that large, inefficient vehicles are necessary for bare-bones transportation. I look out into the parking lot as I type this and its full of large trucks with big sixes or V-8's...each one toting a lone individual to work. There isn't one guy amongst the other 15 that I work with on the night shift that could ride a bicycle 20 miles round-trip to work and survive the evening. |
| 2005-08-09 6:36 PM in reply to: #221059 |
Pro 4612 MA | Subject: RE: $2.50 for regular gas max - 2005-08-09 7:25 PM The average American needs to get off his/her high horse and stop insisting that large, inefficient vehicles are necessary for bare-bones transportation. I look out into the parking lot as I type this and its full of large trucks with big sixes or V-8's...each one toting a lone individual to work. There isn't one guy amongst the other 15 that I work with on the night shift that could ride a bicycle 20 miles round-trip to work and survive the evening. I totally agree with you, Max. I'm glad I took up biking, so that I can ride to work a few times a week. I remember growing up travelling in a Honda Accord (in the 80s, an Accord is smaller than the Civic of nowadays) -- many times 5 people sitting in that car. No video game, no food, no TV. Why are kids so special now that they needed to be shipped in 7-seaters with all the 9 cup holders filled with drinks and TV screen in front of each passenger seat? What drive me nuts is people travelling in Hummers. That's a MILITARY grade vehicle. Why do people have to drive a war car on the street?? |
| 2005-08-09 6:57 PM in reply to: #220275 |
Wife, Mother, Friend. 2457 South | Subject: RE: $2.50 for regular gas We got a suburban out of necessity. Now, it's no longer a necessity. Anyone wanna buy a 93 Suburban? I drove by the racetrak (gas mart) several times this week. IT was 2.13 Then 2.18. Then 2.23 and today it is 2.29. This was all within a one week time frame. What's up with that?? We're looking to lease a Honda. Only till I can afford the MiniCooper!! |
| 2005-08-09 8:01 PM in reply to: #220275 |
Elite 2777 In my bunk with new shoes and purple sweats. | Subject: RE: $2.50 for regular gas Little league team, football team, two big atletic teenagers+ friends= need for big ride. BTW my other car is a LeMond. |
| 2005-08-09 8:12 PM in reply to: #221125 |
Pro 4612 MA | Subject: RE: $2.50 for regular gas gullahcracker - 2005-08-09 9:01 PM Little league team, football team, two big atletic teenagers+ friends= need for big ride. BTW my other car is a LeMond. I guess you need a big car to transport that many people. I don't know how it works, as I have no kid. Do you share gas money or something? |
| 2005-08-09 8:15 PM in reply to: #220275 |
Elite 3972 Reno | Subject: RE: $2.50 for regular gas Our second (motorized) vehicle is a Yamaha scooter - We have 900 miles on it that we did not put on the car - and it takes about $2 every 2 weeks of gas! |
| 2005-08-09 9:16 PM in reply to: #221130 |
Elite 2777 In my bunk with new shoes and purple sweats. | Subject: RE: $2.50 for regular gas Celeb_ithil - 2005-08-09 8:12 PM gullahcracker - 2005-08-09 9:01 PM Little league team, football team, two big atletic teenagers+ friends= need for big ride. BTW my other car is a LeMond. I guess you need a big car to transport that many people. I don't know how it works, as I have no kid. Do you share gas money or something? Some kids don't have rides, some parents have small cars, we just do what has to be done. I will gladly give my time and money to as many children as possible in order to try to do something positive in their life. For if we don't, believe me there are plenty of folks who would love to take them down the wrong path. Like the PSA says "parents really are the anti-drug". |
| 2005-08-09 11:06 PM in reply to: #220275 |
Veteran 1108 Perth, Oz | Subject: RE: $2.50 for regular gas There are way to many petrol guzzling big 4x4's (or SUVs as you call them) on the roads. As someone else mentioned there isn't the need for them. My parents managed to cart us three (very active) kids around with all our friends to and from sporting events etc. without some great big petrol guzzling 4x4 that never sees the off road tracks! someone did a conversion of aussie petrol prices to your gas prices for me back in April and our prices have since gone up so now if I've don't the maths right. I can't find petrol any cheaper then $1.10 per litre here and most expensive I've seen is $1.25 $1.10 - $1.20 = $0.83 - $0.95 U.S. dollars / litre So there is definately a huge difference here to US prices! $2.50 would be amazingly cheap here! what makes me crazy is the lack of encouragement given to alternative fuel options and making public transport better and improving the bike facilities ie bike lanes etc. (Thats my observations in aust anyway)
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| 2005-08-09 11:33 PM in reply to: #220582 |
| Elite 2458 Livingston, MT | Subject: RE: $2.50 for regular gas mnewton - 2005-08-09 8:55 AM drewb8 - 2005-08-09 9:38 AM As I understand it mainly the problem is that its not a problem of there being enough oil, we just don;t have enough refineries to make enough gas.. Preface: I am a chemical engineer working as consultant to oil refineries. You are correct. It is a supply and demand thing. Refineries in the US are at 95-98% capacity on average, which is amazing, because of the amount of maintenance that needs to be performed on different units. A new refinery has not been built in the US since the 1970s. Part of this is due to permitting issues and part because of the payback periods/profitability. It wasnt' but 5-7 years ago when many refiners were losing money and small refineries were shutting down. When gasoline was less than $1, no one worried about fuel economy, but now that gas is near $2.50/gal in the US, it seems as though this is everyone elses fault but our own. The truth is, as many of our friends in other countries could testify, $2.50 is still very cheap for gasoline. The ways to lower the price of gasoline is to either decrease the demand by: 1. Using Public Transportation 2. Walking/RIDING BIKES 3. Carpooling/Combining trips 4. Drive fuel efficient cars Or to increase refining capacity by: 1. Expanding refineries 2. Start up refineries that have been shut down 3. Build new refineries Much research needs to be in the area of alternative energy sources. Nuclear and Solar energy holds great promises if the money is there to research how to recover and store the energy. Hydrogen as fuel is a crock. There have been many discussions and articles in Chemical Engineering and Refining journals that I receive about this issue. Basically, to get Hydrogen, you have use energy (coal, electricity, natural gas, etc) to disassociate the hydrogen from the oxygen in a water molecule. Then you recombine the hydrogen with oxygen to form water. How much sense does this make? In one article in Chemical Engineering Progress, showed that it would take $50 of electricity to make 1 million BTU of hydrogen energy. The 1 million BTU of hydrogen would only have a market value of $15. There is no corporation who would make hydrogen to lose $35 for every MMBTU that they produced. The article also said that the amount of greenhouse and smog-forming gases would increase by a factor of 5, because of the electricity required to make the hydrogen. Take it for what it is worth. It probably won't change anyone's thought about the price of gasoline, but it might help educate you a little more. Not to discount your explanation for I do believe refinary shortages are part of the problem. I also believe that our insatiable appetite for petrolium adds to that. However, the price of crude has more than tripled in less than 5 years. In 2000 it was hovering right around $18 a barrel, now it is over $60 a barrel. While some people will not blame the president for the increase in price, I will Refinary shortages don't account for the crude oil prices tripling, his war did that. Did good things come out of the war? Sure. But it comes at a price. The increase in prices we are all paying for anything involving oil or transportation, and the increase in the national debt. The war has consequenses, we are paying for it. |
| 2005-08-10 5:50 AM in reply to: #220325 |
Expert 783 South Bend, IN | Subject: RE: $2.50 for regular TriComet - 2005-08-09 10:18 AM will race for beer - 2005-08-09 10:10 AM I was going to stay out of this, But I can't.... Funny how the blame goes right back to the pres that wants to open oil exploration and help establish a USA friendly presence in the middle of the largest oil producing region of the world. As I recall the last president was too busy getting a hummer to realize that we were running out of gas and that there was a dictatorship in the Middle East that was killing of it's own people in the name of fun. Standing by to get flamed.... Bravo. I agree. I'll get flamed with you. Don't even get me started on welfare and handouts... I agree with you en totem, but here is the reality. You have the most populous nation ont he planet, China, and the second most populous, India, having the fastest capitalization in history, which drives their consumption of everything. Look at scrap metal prices lately? Highest tehy have ever been. So is copper, Aluminum, etc. These countries need oil too, and when in a 2 year period, 2.5 billion people start needing oil en masse, well, supply and demand takes over. The reality is we need more refining capability and less dependence on the Middle East. That is short term. At some point, Asia's consumption will dictate the price of crude oil. I don't want to hear some screaming greenie talk about a Hydrogen car either. Hydrogen is more dangerous to our environment, in isolating it and "refining" it, than gasoline. |
| 2005-08-10 5:58 AM in reply to: #221265 |
Expert 783 South Bend, IN | Subject: RE: $2.50 for regular gas Hey Chucky, It is fine in an opinion sense that you want to blame teh Pres, or the war on prices, but regardless of if there was a war or not, you would still have the same prices for gas today. Do not underestimate the power of supply and demand. China is aggressively trying to acquire rights to energy more than any nation at present. They are the leading purchaser of oil sands in Canada. They tried to purchase Unocal, which all but owns the Gulf of Mexico drilling rights, at least teh majority of them. Their desire is twofold: To satisfy their own growing thirst, and to strategically deny the US in the event of an impasse. China made mention of using Nukes against the US in the last month. Will you be so quick to condemn Clinton on this? The reason they have that technology is because of his PERSONAL approval in this technology being imported to Chian as well as the computing technology to deliver and guide these things. Does Loral ring a bell. I don't think Bush is all right, but reality dictates looking at all possibilities on why a price is where it is. |
| 2005-08-10 6:10 AM in reply to: #220275 |
Elite 2777 In my bunk with new shoes and purple sweats. | Subject: RE: $2.50 for regular gas Are we blaming Clinton again? Hell, blame Nixon, he opened the door on that madhouse. Hell, blame me , I drive an SUV, when I'm not riding my bike.  BTW did I understand it to be "fo snizzle my nizzle", now exactly what does this mean. |
| 2005-08-10 8:13 AM in reply to: #220275 |
| Subject: RE: $2.50 for regular gas Is that all? My last fill was at $2.67. Been hovering around $2.40+ in my area of California for over a year. Owch. |
| 2005-08-10 8:14 AM in reply to: #221191 |
Pro 4612 MA | Subject: RE: $2.50 for regular gas gullahcracker - 2005-08-09 10:16 PM Some kids don't have rides, some parents have small cars, we just do what has to be done. I will gladly give my time and money to as many children as possible in order to try to do something positive in their life. For if we don't, believe me there are plenty of folks who would love to take them down the wrong path. Like the PSA says "parents really are the anti-drug". Ok. I understand why some people have to drive big cars. I didn't grow up in this country. When I went play tennis/swimming, I took the bus/T. I still don't drive when I go to visit my parents, even though my dad would let me use his car. Public transportation is just too convenient there. cerveloP3 - 2005-08-10 6:58 AM China made mention of using Nukes against the US in the last month. Will you be so quick to condemn Clinton on this? The reason they have that technology is because of his PERSONAL approval in this technology being imported to Chian as well as the computing technology to deliver and guide these things. Does Loral ring a bell. I don't think Bush is all right, but reality dictates looking at all possibilities on why a price is where it is. Oh.. Do you really think China needs "approval" for that? They can always close their door and do whatever they want. I complain about the gas price here, but just looking into it, the gas price in Hong Kong (and other European countries) is close to 4 times the price here. They charge clsoe to $2.5 a LITER! |
| 2005-08-10 8:27 AM in reply to: #221310 |
| Extreme Veteran 573 IL | Subject: RE: $2.50 for regular gas |
| 2005-08-10 9:17 AM in reply to: #221310 |
Pro 4481 Reston | Subject: RE: $2.50 for regular gas gullahcracker - 2005-08-10 7:10 AMAre we blaming Clinton again? Hell, blame Nixon, he opened the door on that madhouse. Hell, blame me , I drive an SUV, when I'm not riding my bike. Fo Shizzle, My Nizzle. (shizzle with an "H") Translation: "For Sure, My N***a" Today's letters brought to you by your local Snoop Dogg. BTW did I understand it to be "fo snizzle my nizzle", now exactly what does this mean. |
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