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2012-11-10 7:59 PM in reply to: #4493161 |
Subject: RE: Question for gun owners cedar creek - 2012-11-10 2:19 PM Ok you are absolutely right about the time frame thing. Actually I was off by about 176 years. My point is.....because I can. LEGALLY. Criminals and physcos cannot LEGALLY. There are plenty enough of existing gun laws if they were prosecuted against these people properly and sentenced properly.
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2012-11-10 8:06 PM in reply to: #4493362 |
Philadelphia, south of New York and north of DC | Subject: RE: Question for gun owners magic - I also have a PMR30 (pistol with a 30 round clip of .22WMR) that I take with Nice! You like it? Any problems? |
2012-11-10 8:26 PM in reply to: #4493383 |
Expert 1484 | Subject: RE: Question for gun owners dontracy - 2012-11-10 6:06 PM magic - I also have a PMR30 (pistol with a 30 round clip of .22WMR) that I take with Nice! You like it? Any problems? Bought it used, looked brand new. Have put 180 some odd rounds thru it. Zero issued, no fail to fires or fail to loads. Have used CCI, Winchester, an other brand I can not remember and what ever collection of rounds the prior owner gave me. You can tell when there is a hotter round being fired as it blows back a little, makes more flash, and sharper crack. Really fun at the range. I'd take it out on the trail any time for sure. It's also the one I leave under the bed |
2012-11-10 9:16 PM in reply to: #4492998 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Question for gun owners All gun control is stupid at this point.....that ship has sailed. I own alot of guns....some I bought, some have been issued to me, some have been handed down from my grandparents and father. I can carry a gun everywhere and anywhere I want to.....if I'm not working I never carry a gun....go figure. I have 4 weapons that would be considered "assault rifles" by most people. I don't know how many shotguns and pistols I have.....a bunch. They're in a safe, and I haven't even looked at them in months and months. All kinds of kids use our house.....no way they'll ever get their hands on a gun here. I keep a baseball bat in the corner near my bed......I'm good....I can control alot of kids with one baseball bat. |
2012-11-10 9:23 PM in reply to: #4493356 |
Champion 7347 SRQ, FL | Subject: RE: Question for gun owners gearboy - 2012-11-10 8:42 PM TriRSquared - 2012-11-10 8:00 PM I'll wager that I've used my knife to deal with a problem diving more often than you've used your gun(s) to deal with TEOTWAWKI. Divers routinely deal with entanglements, typically from fishing line, that can become life threatening without a sharp tool ( knife or scissors - or both for folks like me who like redundancy). We don't use them for self defense, even against "scary sharks". Some people also use the to open beer bottles on the boat trip back to shore, once the dives are done for the day.My buddy who still has a vast collection of firearms even after selling a dozen or two pieces to fund the diving I turned him on to would agree that the mechanics and manufacturing of all the guns is fascinating. Plus it is just plain fun to shoot stuff.I have a lot of guns. I also own what most people would call "assault weapons" but in reality they are not. By definition an "assault rifle" must have selective fire. This means, semi auto, and/or burst and/or full auto. There are not many people (in terms of percentages) in the country who have those types of firearms. Why do I own them? Because I want to be prepared. Do I think society is going to fall into chaos and I'll have to defend my home against random attacked by rioters? Probably (hopefully) not. But a grand or so plus accessories is good insurance against that ever happening. Why do divers carry knives? You don't need a knife to dive. But in an emergency you sure are glad you have that knife. Same logic. I also own historic guns such as WW2 M1s. The engineer in me finds them fascinating. I've never used my seat belts for their intended purpose either... yet I still wear them. Edited by TriRSquared 2012-11-10 9:24 PM |
2012-11-10 9:46 PM in reply to: #4493426 |
Subject: RE: Question for gun owners TriRSquared - 2012-11-10 7:23 PM gearboy - 2012-11-10 8:42 PM TriRSquared - 2012-11-10 8:00 PM I'll wager that I've used my knife to deal with a problem diving more often than you've used your gun(s) to deal with TEOTWAWKI. Divers routinely deal with entanglements, typically from fishing line, that can become life threatening without a sharp tool ( knife or scissors - or both for folks like me who like redundancy). We don't use them for self defense, even against "scary sharks". Some people also use the to open beer bottles on the boat trip back to shore, once the dives are done for the day.My buddy who still has a vast collection of firearms even after selling a dozen or two pieces to fund the diving I turned him on to would agree that the mechanics and manufacturing of all the guns is fascinating. Plus it is just plain fun to shoot stuff.I have a lot of guns. I also own what most people would call "assault weapons" but in reality they are not. By definition an "assault rifle" must have selective fire. This means, semi auto, and/or burst and/or full auto. There are not many people (in terms of percentages) in the country who have those types of firearms. Why do I own them? Because I want to be prepared. Do I think society is going to fall into chaos and I'll have to defend my home against random attacked by rioters? Probably (hopefully) not. But a grand or so plus accessories is good insurance against that ever happening. Why do divers carry knives? You don't need a knife to dive. But in an emergency you sure are glad you have that knife. Same logic. I also own historic guns such as WW2 M1s. The engineer in me finds them fascinating. I've never used my seat belts for their intended purpose either... yet I still wear them. I bet you're so paranoid you have a spare tire in all your vehicles. Now if you have a fire extinguisher in your house you are over the deep end. |
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2012-11-10 10:14 PM in reply to: #4493356 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Question for gun owners gearboy - 2012-11-10 7:42 PM TriRSquared - 2012-11-10 8:00 PM I'll wager that I've used my knife to deal with a problem diving more often than you've used your gun(s) to deal with TEOTWAWKI. Divers routinely deal with entanglements, typically from fishing line, that can become life threatening without a sharp tool ( knife or scissors - or both for folks like me who like redundancy). We don't use them for self defense, even against "scary sharks". Some people also use the to open beer bottles on the boat trip back to shore, once the dives are done for the day.My buddy who still has a vast collection of firearms even after selling a dozen or two pieces to fund the diving I turned him on to would agree that the mechanics and manufacturing of all the guns is fascinating. Plus it is just plain fun to shoot stuff.I have a lot of guns. I also own what most people would call "assault weapons" but in reality they are not. By definition an "assault rifle" must have selective fire. This means, semi auto, and/or burst and/or full auto. There are not many people (in terms of percentages) in the country who have those types of firearms. Why do I own them? Because I want to be prepared. Do I think society is going to fall into chaos and I'll have to defend my home against random attacked by rioters? Probably (hopefully) not. But a grand or so plus accessories is good insurance against that ever happening. Why do divers carry knives? You don't need a knife to dive. But in an emergency you sure are glad you have that knife. Same logic. I also own historic guns such as WW2 M1s. The engineer in me finds them fascinating. No doubt, you'll win that bet every time.....then again, if the chit does hit the fan you'll be the proverbial guy who brought a knife to a gun fight. I don't care.....I'm just saying. Edited by Left Brain 2012-11-10 10:16 PM |
2012-11-10 10:21 PM in reply to: #4493442 |
Pro 6767 the Alabama part of Pennsylvania | Subject: RE: Question for gun owners crusevegas - 2012-11-10 10:46 PM My car actually came with seat belts and a spare. And my fire extinguisher cost a lot less than your firearms. Its a pretty weak (though common) comparison you guys are making, to justify a choice that no one is threatening to take away, at least not in a serious/realistic fashion.TriRSquared - 2012-11-10 7:23 PM gearboy - 2012-11-10 8:42 PM TriRSquared - 2012-11-10 8:00 PM I'll wager that I've used my knife to deal with a problem diving more often than you've used your gun(s) to deal with TEOTWAWKI. Divers routinely deal with entanglements, typically from fishing line, that can become life threatening without a sharp tool ( knife or scissors - or both for folks like me who like redundancy). We don't use them for self defense, even against "scary sharks". Some people also use the to open beer bottles on the boat trip back to shore, once the dives are done for the day.My buddy who still has a vast collection of firearms even after selling a dozen or two pieces to fund the diving I turned him on to would agree that the mechanics and manufacturing of all the guns is fascinating. Plus it is just plain fun to shoot stuff.I have a lot of guns. I also own what most people would call "assault weapons" but in reality they are not. By definition an "assault rifle" must have selective fire. This means, semi auto, and/or burst and/or full auto. There are not many people (in terms of percentages) in the country who have those types of firearms. Why do I own them? Because I want to be prepared. Do I think society is going to fall into chaos and I'll have to defend my home against random attacked by rioters? Probably (hopefully) not. But a grand or so plus accessories is good insurance against that ever happening. Why do divers carry knives? You don't need a knife to dive. But in an emergency you sure are glad you have that knife. Same logic. I also own historic guns such as WW2 M1s. The engineer in me finds them fascinating. I've never used my seat belts for their intended purpose either... yet I still wear them. I bet you're so paranoid you have a spare tire in all your vehicles. Now if you have a fire extinguisher in your house you are over the deep end. |
2012-11-10 10:22 PM in reply to: #4492998 |
Expert 1484 | Subject: RE: Question for gun owners Just to living things up, pic from daddy daughter range time today. Thinking come spring time she'll grow into that .22lr, it's a bit big for her to hold properly. But she did manage to hit a couple of the balloons we had for targets. I think she enjoys making the targets more than shooting them at this point. (TontheRange.jpg) Attachments ---------------- TontheRange.jpg (31KB - 19 downloads) |
2012-11-10 10:31 PM in reply to: #4493356 |
Pro 5755 | Subject: RE: Question for gun owners gearboy - 2012-11-10 8:42 PM TriRSquared - 2012-11-10 8:00 PM I'll wager that I've used my knife to deal with a problem diving more often than you've used your gun(s) to deal with TEOTWAWKI. Divers routinely deal with entanglements, typically from fishing line, that can become life threatening without a sharp tool ( knife or scissors - or both for folks like me who like redundancy). We don't use them for self defense, even against "scary sharks". Some people also use the to open beer bottles on the boat trip back to shore, once the dives are done for the day.My buddy who still has a vast collection of firearms even after selling a dozen or two pieces to fund the diving I turned him on to would agree that the mechanics and manufacturing of all the guns is fascinating. Plus it is just plain fun to shoot stuff.I have a lot of guns. I also own what most people would call "assault weapons" but in reality they are not. By definition an "assault rifle" must have selective fire. This means, semi auto, and/or burst and/or full auto. There are not many people (in terms of percentages) in the country who have those types of firearms. Why do I own them? Because I want to be prepared. Do I think society is going to fall into chaos and I'll have to defend my home against random attacked by rioters? Probably (hopefully) not. But a grand or so plus accessories is good insurance against that ever happening. Why do divers carry knives? You don't need a knife to dive. But in an emergency you sure are glad you have that knife. Same logic. I also own historic guns such as WW2 M1s. The engineer in me finds them fascinating. Yeah I have to say I've used my diving knife more than I thought I would. It was a present from my dad, who in his infinite wisdom thought it would be a great gift. In reality what it meant was I used to be the guy who dealt with rope wrapped around the prop of his or his friends boat. One time I was diving in Maine in the fishing cove at my buddy's house and got a dozen lobsters from the locals for checking moorings, clearing lines, etc. |
2012-11-10 10:45 PM in reply to: #4493457 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Question for gun owners gearboy - 2012-11-10 10:21 PM crusevegas - 2012-11-10 10:46 PM My car actually came with seat belts and a spare. And my fire extinguisher cost a lot less than your firearms. Its a pretty weak (though common) comparison you guys are making, to justify a choice that no one is threatening to take away, at least not in a serious/realistic fashion.TriRSquared - 2012-11-10 7:23 PM gearboy - 2012-11-10 8:42 PM TriRSquared - 2012-11-10 8:00 PM I'll wager that I've used my knife to deal with a problem diving more often than you've used your gun(s) to deal with TEOTWAWKI. Divers routinely deal with entanglements, typically from fishing line, that can become life threatening without a sharp tool ( knife or scissors - or both for folks like me who like redundancy). We don't use them for self defense, even against "scary sharks". Some people also use the to open beer bottles on the boat trip back to shore, once the dives are done for the day.My buddy who still has a vast collection of firearms even after selling a dozen or two pieces to fund the diving I turned him on to would agree that the mechanics and manufacturing of all the guns is fascinating. Plus it is just plain fun to shoot stuff.I have a lot of guns. I also own what most people would call "assault weapons" but in reality they are not. By definition an "assault rifle" must have selective fire. This means, semi auto, and/or burst and/or full auto. There are not many people (in terms of percentages) in the country who have those types of firearms. Why do I own them? Because I want to be prepared. Do I think society is going to fall into chaos and I'll have to defend my home against random attacked by rioters? Probably (hopefully) not. But a grand or so plus accessories is good insurance against that ever happening. Why do divers carry knives? You don't need a knife to dive. But in an emergency you sure are glad you have that knife. Same logic. I also own historic guns such as WW2 M1s. The engineer in me finds them fascinating. I've never used my seat belts for their intended purpose either... yet I still wear them. I bet you're so paranoid you have a spare tire in all your vehicles. Now if you have a fire extinguisher in your house you are over the deep end. That's funny, because I was thinking about how my life actually came with guns. I have memories of hunting with my dad and grandpa from a very early age. I carried my own son to a duck blind when he was 3.....he was shooting a BB gun. He's pretty handy with a shotgun now. I can understand your argument/feelings though.....I've seen alot of shot people. I wish our country was more like those who have far less guns......but it's not, and we're not going back there any time soon.
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2012-11-10 10:47 PM in reply to: #4492998 |
Pro 5755 | Subject: RE: Question for gun owners Thanks guys, some surprising replies. The one that I like the best is: it's legal, it's a fun hobby, and I can afford it. That is just so damn logical. Works for bikes, works for guns. And like any good hobby, it's expensive. I also agree that banning them will have little to no effect on crime. It's not like criminals are concerned with the law. The survivalists worries me a little, but since it doesn't really impact my life, I'm not about to tell you it's right or wrong. Am I turning into a Libertarian? I didn't want to open multiple cans of worms in this thread, but it would be interesting to start another thread and see what people think about background checks, waiting periods, mandatory safety courses, mandatory gun locks, etc. |
2012-11-10 10:51 PM in reply to: #4493475 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Question for gun owners BrianRunsPhilly - 2012-11-10 10:47 PM Thanks guys, some surprising replies. The one that I like the best is: it's legal, it's a fun hobby, and I can afford it. That is just so damn logical. Works for bikes, works for guns. And like any good hobby, it's expensive. I also agree that banning them will have little to no effect on crime. It's not like criminals are concerned with the law. The survivalists worries me a little, but since it doesn't really impact my life, I'm not about to tell you it's right or wrong. Am I turning into a Libertarian? I didn't want to open multiple cans of worms in this thread, but it would be interesting to start another thread and see what people think about background checks, waiting periods, mandatory safety courses, mandatory gun locks, etc. Useless. The only people who adhere to those types of laws are law-abiding people that you and I don't need to worry about. (except safety....if you are new to guns, by all means, go to a safety class) I deal with criminals....the ones you do need to worry about.....they are not adhering to ANY law we pass....NONE! Edited by Left Brain 2012-11-10 10:54 PM |
2012-11-10 10:55 PM in reply to: #4492998 |
Extreme Veteran 645 Media, PA | Subject: RE: Question for gun owners Don't own one, but I do have a 40 cal Glock at home for general home defense. Bought it from a friend who was leaving for Secret Service Academy, and he didn't want to leave it with his parents. If a bargain came across, I'd probably get an Assault Rifle, but not actively shopping. If I got really serious about home defense, I'd go for one of these (though I think they're not legal for citizens): A Mark 19 Grenade Launcher, about the most fun thing I've ever shot from the ground. Shoots 40 mm grenades at something like 2000 fps, with a max range of 1500 meters. |
2012-11-10 11:00 PM in reply to: #4493478 |
Pro 5755 | Subject: RE: Question for gun owners Left Brain - 2012-11-10 11:51 PM BrianRunsPhilly - 2012-11-10 10:47 PM Thanks guys, some surprising replies. The one that I like the best is: it's legal, it's a fun hobby, and I can afford it. That is just so damn logical. Works for bikes, works for guns. And like any good hobby, it's expensive. I also agree that banning them will have little to no effect on crime. It's not like criminals are concerned with the law. The survivalists worries me a little, but since it doesn't really impact my life, I'm not about to tell you it's right or wrong. Am I turning into a Libertarian? I didn't want to open multiple cans of worms in this thread, but it would be interesting to start another thread and see what people think about background checks, waiting periods, mandatory safety courses, mandatory gun locks, etc. Useless. The only people who adhere to those types of laws are law-abiding people that you and I don't need to worry about. (except safety....if you are new to guns, by all means, go to a safety class) I deal with criminals....the ones you do need to worry about.....they are not adhering to ANY law we pass....NONE! Well I think EVERYONE should take a gun safety class. I made my kids take one even though I do not currently own any. That doesn't mean there aren't any at their friends homes. |
2012-11-10 11:02 PM in reply to: #4493487 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Question for gun owners BrianRunsPhilly - 2012-11-10 11:00 PM Left Brain - 2012-11-10 11:51 PM BrianRunsPhilly - 2012-11-10 10:47 PM Thanks guys, some surprising replies. The one that I like the best is: it's legal, it's a fun hobby, and I can afford it. That is just so damn logical. Works for bikes, works for guns. And like any good hobby, it's expensive. I also agree that banning them will have little to no effect on crime. It's not like criminals are concerned with the law. The survivalists worries me a little, but since it doesn't really impact my life, I'm not about to tell you it's right or wrong. Am I turning into a Libertarian? I didn't want to open multiple cans of worms in this thread, but it would be interesting to start another thread and see what people think about background checks, waiting periods, mandatory safety courses, mandatory gun locks, etc. Useless. The only people who adhere to those types of laws are law-abiding people that you and I don't need to worry about. (except safety....if you are new to guns, by all means, go to a safety class) I deal with criminals....the ones you do need to worry about.....they are not adhering to ANY law we pass....NONE! Well I think EVERYONE should take a gun safety class. I made my kids take one even though I do not currently own any. That doesn't mean there aren't any at their friends homes. Sure.....a good idea. |
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2012-11-10 11:12 PM in reply to: #4493475 |
Subject: RE: Question for gun owners BrianRunsPhilly - 2012-11-10 8:47 PM Thanks guys, some surprising replies. The one that I like the best is: it's legal, it's a fun hobby, and I can afford it. That is just so damn logical. Works for bikes, works for guns. And like any good hobby, it's expensive. I also agree that banning them will have little to no effect on crime. It's not like criminals are concerned with the law. The survivalists worries me a little, but since it doesn't really impact my life, I'm not about to tell you it's right or wrong. Am I turning into a Libertarian? I didn't want to open multiple cans of worms in this thread, but it would be interesting to start another thread and see what people think about background checks, waiting periods, mandatory safety courses, mandatory gun locks, etc. I'll give you my short version to the questions. I think background checks are fine, I don't think there should be a charge for it. Waiting periods aren't necessary with instant background checks. I think gun safety and gun history should be taught in elementary school, with an opt out for parents who have a problem with it. I'm for having your firearms secured, safe and making sure others especially children are unable to get access to them. I'm against a law making it mandatory generally speaking. I'm for people wearing seat belts but I'm opposed to laws mandating use and those annoying noises the car makes if it's not on. oops, sorry got carried away @ Gearboy, your post makes very little sense to me and sounds a bit irrational, especially the part going on about someone wanting to take my guns away. |
2012-11-10 11:24 PM in reply to: #4493495 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Question for gun owners crusevegas - 2012-11-10 11:12 PM BrianRunsPhilly - 2012-11-10 8:47 PM Thanks guys, some surprising replies. The one that I like the best is: it's legal, it's a fun hobby, and I can afford it. That is just so damn logical. Works for bikes, works for guns. And like any good hobby, it's expensive. I also agree that banning them will have little to no effect on crime. It's not like criminals are concerned with the law. The survivalists worries me a little, but since it doesn't really impact my life, I'm not about to tell you it's right or wrong. Am I turning into a Libertarian? I didn't want to open multiple cans of worms in this thread, but it would be interesting to start another thread and see what people think about background checks, waiting periods, mandatory safety courses, mandatory gun locks, etc. I'll give you my short version to the questions. I think background checks are fine, I don't think there should be a charge for it. Waiting periods aren't necessary with instant background checks. I think gun safety and gun history should be taught in elementary school, with an opt out for parents who have a problem with it. I'm for having your firearms secured, safe and making sure others especially children are unable to get access to them. I'm against a law making it mandatory generally speaking. I'm for people wearing seat belts but I'm opposed to laws mandating use and those annoying noises the car makes if it's not on. oops, sorry got carried away @ Gearboy, your post makes very little sense to me and sounds a bit irrational, especially the part going on about someone wanting to take my guns away. You can make those go away.........there is a "code" with every vehicle I've ever owned. It usually involves steps and sequences with the "female" end of the seatbelt.....the part you push to release the belt. |
2012-11-10 11:49 PM in reply to: #4493501 |
Subject: RE: Question for gun owners Left Brain - 2012-11-10 9:24 PM You can make those go away.........there is a "code" with every vehicle I've ever owned. It usually involves steps and sequences with the "female" end of the seatbelt.....the part you push to release the belt. Thanks, I didn't know that, I'll see what I can find out on that. |
2012-11-11 7:10 AM in reply to: #4493515 |
Subject: RE: Question for gun owners Not into saying what I own or don't own. However Ammo prices Monday 5.56 1000rnds $379 at one location 5.56 1000rnds $500 at one location Wednesday 5.56 1000rnds $430 at one location 5.56 1000rnds $560 at one location
New Tax in Chicago $25 per gun bought
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2012-11-11 7:31 AM in reply to: #4493457 |
Champion 7347 SRQ, FL | Subject: RE: Question for gun owners gearboy - 2012-11-10 11:21 PM crusevegas - 2012-11-10 10:46 PM My car actually came with seat belts and a spare. And my fire extinguisher cost a lot less than your firearms. Its a pretty weak (though common) comparison you guys are making, to justify a choice that no one is threatening to take away, at least not in a serious/realistic fashion.TriRSquared - 2012-11-10 7:23 PM gearboy - 2012-11-10 8:42 PM TriRSquared - 2012-11-10 8:00 PM I'll wager that I've used my knife to deal with a problem diving more often than you've used your gun(s) to deal with TEOTWAWKI. Divers routinely deal with entanglements, typically from fishing line, that can become life threatening without a sharp tool ( knife or scissors - or both for folks like me who like redundancy). We don't use them for self defense, even against "scary sharks". Some people also use the to open beer bottles on the boat trip back to shore, once the dives are done for the day.My buddy who still has a vast collection of firearms even after selling a dozen or two pieces to fund the diving I turned him on to would agree that the mechanics and manufacturing of all the guns is fascinating. Plus it is just plain fun to shoot stuff.I have a lot of guns. I also own what most people would call "assault weapons" but in reality they are not. By definition an "assault rifle" must have selective fire. This means, semi auto, and/or burst and/or full auto. There are not many people (in terms of percentages) in the country who have those types of firearms. Why do I own them? Because I want to be prepared. Do I think society is going to fall into chaos and I'll have to defend my home against random attacked by rioters? Probably (hopefully) not. But a grand or so plus accessories is good insurance against that ever happening. Why do divers carry knives? You don't need a knife to dive. But in an emergency you sure are glad you have that knife. Same logic. I also own historic guns such as WW2 M1s. The engineer in me finds them fascinating. I've never used my seat belts for their intended purpose either... yet I still wear them. I bet you're so paranoid you have a spare tire in all your vehicles. Now if you have a fire extinguisher in your house you are over the deep end. It's not weak at all. It's just that you disagree. A spare tire or fire extinguisher is a relatively cheap piece of gear. You don't mind spending the money on it because there is a small, but real chance you will use it. The chance you'll use a firearm to protect your family or life is very very small. And the cost is pretty high (well it can be). However the reward/risk ratio is also very high. In a situation like the one I described it is your (and others) lives on the line. Worth the very small risk IMO. And you say "to justify a choice that no one is threatening to take away, at least not in a serious/realistic fashion" Until it is... then what? What does it matter how I spend my money to be prepared for things that may or may not happen. Plenty of people in NY and NJ don't have flood insurance. Looking back I bet they wish they did. Edited by TriRSquared 2012-11-11 7:33 AM |
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2012-11-11 8:14 AM in reply to: #4493457 |
Pro 6838 Tejas | Subject: RE: Question for gun owners gearboy - 2012-11-10 10:21 PM crusevegas - 2012-11-10 10:46 PM My car actually came with seat belts and a spare. And my fire extinguisher cost a lot less than your firearms. Its a pretty weak (though common) comparison you guys are making, to justify a choice that no one is threatening to take away, at least not in a serious/realistic fashion.TriRSquared - 2012-11-10 7:23 PM gearboy - 2012-11-10 8:42 PM TriRSquared - 2012-11-10 8:00 PM I'll wager that I've used my knife to deal with a problem diving more often than you've used your gun(s) to deal with TEOTWAWKI. Divers routinely deal with entanglements, typically from fishing line, that can become life threatening without a sharp tool ( knife or scissors - or both for folks like me who like redundancy). We don't use them for self defense, even against "scary sharks". Some people also use the to open beer bottles on the boat trip back to shore, once the dives are done for the day.My buddy who still has a vast collection of firearms even after selling a dozen or two pieces to fund the diving I turned him on to would agree that the mechanics and manufacturing of all the guns is fascinating. Plus it is just plain fun to shoot stuff.I have a lot of guns. I also own what most people would call "assault weapons" but in reality they are not. By definition an "assault rifle" must have selective fire. This means, semi auto, and/or burst and/or full auto. There are not many people (in terms of percentages) in the country who have those types of firearms. Why do I own them? Because I want to be prepared. Do I think society is going to fall into chaos and I'll have to defend my home against random attacked by rioters? Probably (hopefully) not. But a grand or so plus accessories is good insurance against that ever happening. Why do divers carry knives? You don't need a knife to dive. But in an emergency you sure are glad you have that knife. Same logic. I also own historic guns such as WW2 M1s. The engineer in me finds them fascinating. I've never used my seat belts for their intended purpose either... yet I still wear them. I bet you're so paranoid you have a spare tire in all your vehicles. Now if you have a fire extinguisher in your house you are over the deep end. Did I miss the thread that used the "weak rationale" of "they're going to take them away from me so that why I own them?" Maybe you should consider ignoring threads like this. Seems all you've done is insult people by judging their rationale or thought process as "weak." No offense intended, of course. Just an observation. |
2012-11-11 8:26 AM in reply to: #4493593 |
Elite 6387 | Subject: RE: Question for gun owners Puppetmaster - 2012-11-11 6:10 AM Not into saying what I own or don't own. However Ammo prices Monday 5.56 1000rnds $379 at one location 5.56 1000rnds $500 at one location Wednesday 5.56 1000rnds $430 at one location 5.56 1000rnds $560 at one location
New Tax in Chicago $25 per gun bought
On this one alone.... I would have to call price gouging. Because there is absolutely nothing that happened in the market in two days that actually drove up the price of ammo. |
2012-11-11 8:43 AM in reply to: #4493199 |
Pro 6838 Tejas | Subject: RE: Question for gun owners abqtj - 2012-11-10 5:19 PM I built my AR15 because it was a fun project that was interesting to me. And I came out exceptionally cheaper than buying a whole rifle. Same with the AK I'm going to build (I've got 99% of the parts now). Again, just is an interesting/educational thing for me. Also a bit historical. And they are fun to shoot if you enjoy shooting. Would you share where you get parts from? You buy from an online source or gun shows? If I could get both for the price of one, or close, it would solve the "7.62X39 or .223" decision I'm trying to make for my first rifle purchase. |
2012-11-11 8:45 AM in reply to: #4492998 |
Elite 6387 | Subject: RE: Question for gun owners Maybe this will help Brian.... I do not want an arsenal. I would like to own one of each type so to speak. Pistol, rifle, shotgun, carry. I don't need a lot of pistols. When I bought mine, it was with the intent of only having one. So I got the only one you need, .45APC. Obviously debatelable, but that was my choice. I won't bore you with the history of battle rifles, especially since I'm not that knowledgeble... but yes, they were made with the purpose of going into battle. Used to be it was the same as hunting rifles. M1 Garrand came out... but it had limitations. So the modern main battle rifle came out that had good balistics, light weight, smaller lighter ammo, better target aquisition, more shots, rapid fire and so forth. Why do I want one? They are very versitile weapons with a huge parts inventory and ammo choices. I can get a bolt action, but I do not hunt, and semi-auto is just easier. That brings me to BARs, FNARs, or Springfield M1s. with that in mind, there are plenty of AR platforms to choose from as well. .223 is cheaper and there is plenty of it, but .308 is a more versitile round which is what I want. Taret practice, medium game, defense... jack of all trades. So if I was only going to have one rifle, and I want a semi automatic, then that is where you end up. Pros and cons for each factor, but that is how I got there. I have absolutley zero problems with the color black, and I have no illusions what the intended purpose is of a fire arm. I have zero problems with their intended purpose. But $1500-$2000 for something that will sit in my closet for 99% of the time... pretty low on the priority list. Edited by powerman 2012-11-11 8:49 AM |
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