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Scripps poll: One-third see U.S. hand in 9/11
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US had a hand4 Votes - [10.53%]
US had a hand by doing nothing2 Votes - [5.26%]
that's crazy15 Votes - [39.47%]
Conspiracy theorists shouldn't go to the bathroom anymore1 Votes - [2.63%]
1/3 of Americans need a hobby6 Votes - [15.79%]
reptillian shape shifters from another galaxy1 Votes - [2.63%]
That's Terrorist Propaganda!!!1 Votes - [2.63%]
Liberals should wet the bed elsewhere...4 Votes - [10.53%]
1010 adults out of Millions of people is a really good sample size..not1 Votes - [2.63%]
I blame The Mac2 Votes - [5.26%]
It was the Pentaverate. I hate The Colonel, with his wee, beady eyes.1 Votes - [2.63%]

2006-08-09 8:05 AM
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i knew it!


2006-08-09 8:09 AM
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maybe that's because the federal officials ARE the shape-shifting life from other planets. or was it from another dimension. same difference.
2006-08-09 8:10 AM
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The key is that they're lizards.

autumn - 2006-08-09 8:09 AM maybe that's because the federal officials ARE the shape-shifting life from other planets. or was it from another dimension. same difference.

2006-08-09 8:13 AM
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damnit! i forgot about the lizard part. see, they shifted in my mind, man!
2006-08-09 9:25 AM
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autumn - 2006-08-08 7:11 PM

hmmmm.


Hmmm what?
2006-08-09 9:26 AM
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marmadaddy - 2006-08-09 8:58 AM

Structuring a survey to get results you want is easy. Wording it so it's unbiased isn't.  

I went to the original article at Scripps News and found this quote:

"The level of suspicion of U.S. official involvement in a 9/11 conspiracy was only slightly behind the 40 percent who suspect "officials in the federal government were directly responsible for the assassination of President Kennedy" and the 38 percent who believe "the federal government is withholding proof of the existence of intelligent life from other planets."

I'll give surveys from Scripps/Howard a bit of skepticism from now on, thank you.



Wow there is some intelligence around here. I agree 100%, depends who surveys and who is funding the surveys.


2006-08-09 11:23 AM
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we didn't land on the moon either.  it was a hollywood stunt. 

if in 20 years we learn the gov't had something to do with 9/11 i would not be suprised.  i certainly would not put anything past the current administration.  our govt hides cia prisons, detains "suspects" indefinitley with no representation and secretly monitors all forms of communication in violation of our rights.  the fact that people believe this should suprise no one.

 

 

2006-08-09 11:32 AM
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skunkworxz - 2006-08-09 12:23 PM

we didn't land on the moon either.  it was a hollywood stunt. 

if in 20 years we learn the gov't had something to do with 9/11 i would not be suprised.  i certainly would not put anything past the current administration.  our govt hides cia prisons, detains "suspects" indefinitley with no representation and secretly monitors all forms of communication in violation of our rights.  the fact that people believe this should suprise no one.

 

 



The fact the goverment has hidden CIA prisons has been well known for some time. As far as montoring communication, well if your not doing wrong then there isn't anything to worry about. I am all about freedom of rights but there has to be a change in the way we use intelligence and share it.
2006-08-09 11:52 AM
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jeez! that's all I got. really. 

 

skunkworxz - 2006-08-09 12:23 PM

i certainly would not put anything past the current administration. .

 

 

2006-08-09 11:55 AM
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I've really held back from commenting on that, but I can't take it.  There's nothing wrong with disliking an administration and its policies.  You can dislike them personally for all I care.  Suggesting that they'd put to death 3,000 Americans for some political gain is just beyond me.

rollinbones - 2006-08-09 11:52 AM

jeez! that's all I got. really. 

 

skunkworxz - 2006-08-09 12:23 PM

i certainly would not put anything past the current administration. .

 

 

2006-08-09 11:56 AM
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the fact that no one in america seems to care about secret prisons, the us violating war crime laws (our own even) and feels that it's ok to be monitored if you have nothing to hide scares the hell out of me.  what happened to standing up for your rights, and your privacy? is everyone really that afraid of terrorism? NOTHING the gov't is currently doing will actually stop a terrorist that really wants to attack something.  you can monitor everything til your eyes pop but you will not see a threat that is not using the communication you track.  laws that remove rights of citizens in the name of terrorism is a fear tactict.  10 years ago, i doubt you would be ok with the current situation.  all it took was one attack on america, and we are that insecure?

i love my country, do not so much love my current govt.  i would absolutly fight to the death for my county, and honor anyone who has and anyone who is currently. 

i do not accept the current administrations arguments for taking my rights, however.



2006-08-09 12:03 PM
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must be easy sitting 3000 miles away from that one attack.  i dunno seeing people jump from the top the WTC  tends to leave a lasting impression.

 

skunkworxz - 2006-08-09 12:56 PM

 all it took was one attack on america, and we are that insecure?

2006-08-09 12:11 PM
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DerekL - 2006-08-09 9:55 AM

 Suggesting that they'd put to death 3,000 Americans for some political gain is just beyond me.

rollinbones - 2006-08-09 11:52 AM

i'm not suggesting they did or didn't.  it's for everyone to decide for themselves what they believe.

i'm suggesting anything is possible, more incomprehensible things happen daily in other countries, to assume we are imune simply because this is america and no would stand for it is silly. 

 


2006-08-09 12:13 PM
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Ok, let me correct my sentence.

Suggesting that it's possible that they'd put to death 3,000 Americans for some political gain is just beyond me.

skunkworxz - 2006-08-09 12:11 PM
DerekL - 2006-08-09 9:55 AM

 Suggesting that they'd put to death 3,000 Americans for some political gain is just beyond me.

rollinbones - 2006-08-09 11:52 AM

i'm not suggesting they did or didn't.  it's for everyone to decide for themselves what they believe.

i'm suggesting anything is possible, more incomprehensible things happen daily in other countries, to assume we are imune simply because this is america and no would stand for it is silly. 



 


2006-08-09 12:16 PM
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 That's not suggesting? Do me favor - oh forget it

 


 

skunkworxz - 2006-08-09 12:23 PM

i certainly would not put anything past the current administration. .

 

 

2006-08-09 12:17 PM
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rollinbones - 2006-08-09 10:03 AM

must be easy sitting 3000 miles away from that one attack. i dunno seeing people jump from the top the WTC tends to leave a lasting impression.

ya, i'm 3000 miles away.  i lost a friend.  sure it was only one.  i was at the airport in seattle as it happened, and although the horror of being there had to be immense, i was very aware of how bad things were.  a good friend of mine i've known since high school is a NYC firefighter.  he survived. yay.  i'm sorry for anyone who actually went through it. 

this same thing could happen anywhere, anytime.  every right you have lost a citizen of a free country is for nothing. 



2006-08-09 12:23 PM
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now that i've unintentionally hijacked a thread on a Scripps poll, i'll state that i'm uncertain, but would not be suprised.

 

2006-08-09 1:58 PM
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DerekL - 2006-08-09 12:55 PM

I've really held back from commenting on that, but I can't take it.  There's nothing wrong with disliking an administration and its policies.  You can dislike them personally for all I care.  Suggesting that they'd put to death 3,000 Americans for some political gain is just beyond me.

rollinbones - 2006-08-09 11:52 AM

jeez! that's all I got. really. 

 

skunkworxz - 2006-08-09 12:23 PM

i certainly would not put anything past the current administration. .

 

 



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2006-08-10 9:05 AM
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CBarnes - 2006-08-08 10:17 PM GAS prices GAS prices!!!!!!!!! I am so sick of hearing about high gas prices and about how the dirty rotten stinking oil companies are getting so rich they need to drop the price of gas. Is everyone in America a IDIOT lets look at gas prices and please be patent as this will require people to think not just speak. 1. Inflation the cost of gas in 1981 was about 1.00 a gal and milk was about 1.00 a gal today gas is 3.00 and milk is 3.00 hmmmm 2. In the last 30 years we the united states have not built any (0 none) new refineries to produce gas well guess what during that time gas consumption has increased dramatically so guess what the 1970 refinery capacity does not meet the 2000”s needs DUH 3. We have enough oil in the United States to supply most of our needs but we do not go get it we do not dill in ANWAR, off shore Florida or several other areas so if we will not get ours we need to import theirs. 4. Next and last for this lesson BIG OIL well lets substitute oil for grapes and you for big oil you have a bowl of grapes and you can only get 1 bowl of grapes per week all of your neighbors want the grapes so you sell them they cost you 2.00 per grape and the government who produces no grapes takes .45 cents each total cost to you is 2.45 so you sell them for 3.50. and the neighbors buy all the grapes the first day but you can only get 1 bowl of grapes per day so everyone goes with out the rest of the week and gets mad at you. You ask the government to plant more grapes so you can provide more for the people and they say no! so do you continue to sell the grapes for 2.45 and make everyone mad and cause a shortage or do you jack the price to 3.00 then everyone buys a few less grapes and everyone has enough evern if they are mad about the price? That my friends in a very simple way is the situation we are in. If we will demand our congressman allow more drilling and refining then the companies will be able to make more gas and prices will drop. Now many of you will say we need to conserve and I agree but conservation alone will not fix of problem just look at the energy situation in California but alas that is a different less.

Excellent post.

The scariest thing here isn't that "1/3" of the people believe in this conspiracy.  It's that the media reported it in such a fashion to indicate that a large percentage of the country believes the current administration is evil enough to do this sort of thing, when (as pointed out above) the results really didn't mean a whole lot.  I'm rather upset by the way the media is handling everything lately.  It seems that the only positive PR you hear anymore comes from the administration themselves, and the media turns around and uses that to claim the administration is just trying to pump up their efforts and make themselves look good.  Of course the general public, who believe everything they hear their favorite celebrity say, or what they read on the internet is going to have deep felt hate for what's going on now.  They've been spoon fed it for the past 6 years.  Unfortunately there is only a very small percentage of people who actually take the time to form their own opinions and actually get news from a varriety of sources.  The more and more I see this unfold, the more I see that our culture is losing it's independence of thought.  I think it goes along with laziness.  It's just easier to have someone tell you what to think (eliminating work and accountability) then to actually form an opinion and stand behind it.

2006-08-10 9:54 AM
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The majority in some Middle Eastern countries thinks it is a fabulous idea to blow yourself up in a pizza restaurant, taking as many innocent people with you as possible. I think we should be thankful that only 1/3 of us are completely irrational.

As for the evil Bu$Hitler administration, even the president is held accountable for breaking the law in this country. If your favorite congressman(D) really believes that laws have been broken, he/she could take action. But all they do is talk.

If you are concerned about your conversations being monitored, just stop talking to your Al Quaeda friends. They're nothing but trouble anyway.

2006-08-10 1:02 PM
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The majority in some Middle Eastern countries thinks it is a fabulous idea to blow yourself up in a pizza restaurant, taking as many innocent people with you as possible. I think we should be thankful that only 1/3 of us are completely irrational.


i take issue with that generalization. i doubt a majority of middle eastern people think its a fabulous idea to blow yourself and others up. a majority may hate americans (and for good reason), but its the extremists that are blowing themselves up. dying in battle may seem like a good thing to do, but then americans glorify our soldiers for the same reason. god instead of country, but its the same glorification.


2006-08-10 1:10 PM
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autumn - 2006-08-10 2:02 PM

The majority in some Middle Eastern countries thinks it is a fabulous idea to blow yourself up in a pizza restaurant, taking as many innocent people with you as possible. I think we should be thankful that only 1/3 of us are completely irrational.


i take issue with that generalization. i doubt a majority of middle eastern people think its a fabulous idea to blow yourself and others up. a majority may hate americans (and for good reason), but its the extremists that are blowing themselves up. dying in battle may seem like a good thing to do, but then americans glorify our soldiers for the same reason. god instead of country, but its the same glorification.


They may not think it's a fabulous idea to blow themselves up, but they certainly have no problem taking money to plant a roadside IED.
2006-08-10 1:16 PM
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Scout7 - 2006-08-10 2:10 PM  They may not think it's a fabulous idea to blow themselves up, but they certainly have no problem taking money to plant a roadside IED.

If you're going to make statements like that, at least qualify them (IMO, or I think). Or cite a reference.

For instance, it's my opinion that most middle easterners wouldn't take money to plant IEDs. I could be wrong, but that's my opinion.

2006-08-10 1:20 PM
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Scout7 - 2006-08-10 2:10 PM They may not think it's a fabulous idea to blow themselves up, but they certainly have no problem taking money to plant a roadside IED.

If you're going to make statements like that, at least qualify them (IMO, or I think). Or cite a reference.

For instance, it's my opinion that most middle easterners wouldn't take money to plant IEDs. I could be wrong, but that's my opinion.



Unfortunately, I cannot direct you to a source, because it was based on intel gathered by my troops while in Iraq. I've also seen intel briefs that discuss the COE at large with several mentions of that being the case.
2006-08-10 1:22 PM
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Scout7 - 2006-08-10 2:20 PM
run4yrlif - 2006-08-10 2:16 PM

Scout7 - 2006-08-10 2:10 PM They may not think it's a fabulous idea to blow themselves up, but they certainly have no problem taking money to plant a roadside IED.

If you're going to make statements like that, at least qualify them (IMO, or I think). Or cite a reference.

For instance, it's my opinion that most middle easterners wouldn't take money to plant IEDs. I could be wrong, but that's my opinion.

Unfortunately, I cannot direct you to a source, because it was based on intel gathered by my troops while in Iraq. I've also seen intel briefs that discuss the COE at large with several mentions of that being the case.

Ahhh...good point. I should have listed my "Subject Matter Experts" exception. In that case, feel free to make unreferenced sweeping generalities.

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