Exucation Sec (Page 2)

I went to a private high school.  Tuition there today is approaching $15,000/year.  It's a first class high school education with a nearly 100% graduation rate and over 95% go on to receive college degrees.

I don't know if your figure of $10,306 is correct or not, but there is no doubt that we can do better with public schooling.  The problem with private schooling is that most people cannot afford 10-15,000 per year to educate their children, hence the public schools funded by all taxpayers.  As I said above, we all have a stake in educating our children, and so we all have a stake in maintaining good public schools.

We don't have to reinvent the wheel here.  It's not like public schools are something new and they somehow can't work.....of course they can.  We have generation after generation of people who are testament to that. 

What killed public schools in the inner cities was forced busing, well intentioned as it may have been.  The schools, and then the neighborhoods, of kids who were bussed away deteriorated to where we are today.  If we really want to make our cities viable again we have to go back and fix that mistake.  It's NOT a matter of giving people something for nothing.....it IS the business of making this country great again.

My daughter went to two different private schools from grades 1-8, and neither of them was close to that per year.  She's in Catholic high school now (which has disassociated itself with the Diocese and doesn't have a parish, so there's no additional money coming from those sources), which is a little higher than that figure but she gets an outstanding education.

As someone who went through this as a kid, I 100% agree.

Does anyone find the irony in that our thread about education is misspelled? 

It has been my experience that stability in homes is tied to stability of income and neighborhoods. There can be no doubt that there are too many broken homes in poor neighborhoods.....but you can't fix that without education and good jobs.  You can get education and good jobs without decent schools and neighborhoods........see my above post.  I never said throw more money at inner city schools.  I said rebuild the neighborhood schools.  You want to see infrastructure projects to create jobs?  START RIGHT THERE!

I'm slow today, but agree with this ^^^ 100%. Education is the basis of every change we want to see. I think that this is why a lot of people are so upset about this particular appointment. 

And back to a point Rogillio made earlier, I get the idea of giving these jobs to folks who are astute business people who aren't insiders, and can make a difference by applying some serious problem solving to a broken system. But if you watched the hearing, De Vos is NOT an astute businesswoman. She's not even all that smart. And that's my problem. You don't give a job to someone who has no experience, and no redeeming qualities to make up for lack of said experience. If you gave this job to Warren Buffet or Bill Gates or Rex Tillerson, I'd probably feel like they had the smarts to figure something out. De Vos? Nah.

My experience tells me that you have it exactly backwards.

Did you read what I wrote about busing?  There's nothing made up there, it's history.  I'm talking specifically about inner city neighborhoods, families, and schools......poor people.  Not people who can send their kids to private schools and now want vouchers to lower their tax debt to public schools.  You're going to have to pay attention, because the family structure in poor, inner city neighborhoods has NOTHING to do with any experience your wife or her sisters had.  Lack of education has an absolute  affect on the breakdown of the family in inner cities.  I can take you to neighborhoods here that are absolute war zones......they got that way when High Schools like Soldan, Beaumont, Sumner, and others in the Public High league (the most feared athletic conference in the state and the source of unbridled neighborhood pride) closed their doors as forced integration and busing made them obsolete.  Businesses and jobs followed.  Property values plummeted. Families scattered and broke up.  I policed some of those neighborhoods for the last 30 years and watched it.....I don't need to read a book about it or see statistics from people trying to spread the blame. Fixing those neighborhoods and the families that live there requires that good neighborhood schools be resurrected....that's step one.  Without that you have "war zones"......pay attention!!  This didn't happen overnight.

No, getting an F in English doesn't make your father leave your mother. But lack of education means you can't get a job, you can't pull yourself up by your bootstraps, you can't escape the neighborhood you live in. And when you grow up in a place where there's no education, no hope for escape, you resort to violence and stay in a circle of poverty. 

The same guy who shoots someone and ends up in jail while his baby momma struggles on welfare to feed her kids could presumably have had a better chance with a quality education. 

I think that's wrong.  I think it's more correct to say they have never been taught the value of education.  We are now a couple of generations removed from decent inner city schools.  Many of the children there are never taught how valuable education really is.  If you don't have that, there is nothing to "value".  And then you have to have jobs that require that education in order for it to be valuable......but the jobs won't come back until the neighborhoods do....and the neighborhoods won't without the schools.  This cannot be fixed in a generation.....it will have to be a process...and it may be too late for all I know.

Again you  have it backwards......the lack of economy is BECAUSE of the lack of education. 

I'm going to do this for you one more time......

education = good schools = good neighborhoods = attractive to businesses = jobs from the new businesses = employable/educated workforce = stable families

There are no shortcuts.

Again, you have it completely backwards and can't even see why. LOL

Yeah, I know it's off the party line....I get it.  The thing is, I've spent a great deal of time around very poor people struggling to get by. I want them to have the same opportunities we all have......and I know that it doesn't always work out that way.  I'll settle for really good schools for their children because I think it would make all the difference in their lives.  All we do now is throw money at the problem....and it's been a dismal failure because it doesn't provide real opportunity to change what has become a cultural norm in the inner cities..  How about we put some real resources and talent into educating the kids of this generation.  In the end, we are going to pay either way.....how do you want to pay?  You want to build more prisons or more schools?  We can't have the two parent homes that Rogllio wants if half of that household is locked up or dead. Education is the key to almost everything.