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Hi everyone,

I'm sick this week so no training, but i do have some questions.

Last week i went swimming for the first time in what seems like years, I mainly did breast stroke, with a very small amount of front crawl.

Does everyone do front crawl in triathlon? even at the lowest levels?

I did one length front crawl but just using my legs, i seemed to be going nowhere, is this normal or is it more to do with technique?

another general training question. if i want to improve my endurance in swimming, so i'm able to do the distance in the shortest time possible should i

A. go at a general pace for as long as possible.

B. go hardcore and go as fast as possible, building each time.

C. Just do the exact distance i need to do for the race and try and imporve my time?



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2007-01-11 9:53 PM
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hughsmacdiarmid - 2007-01-11 10:15 PM Hi everyone, I'm sick this week so no training, but i do have some questions. Last week i went swimming for the first time in what seems like years, I mainly did breast stroke, with a very small amount of front crawl. Does everyone do front crawl in triathlon? even at the lowest levels? I did one length front crawl but just using my legs, i seemed to be going nowhere, is this normal or is it more to do with technique? another general training question. if i want to improve my endurance in swimming, so i'm able to do the distance in the shortest time possible should i A. go at a general pace for as long as possible. B. go hardcore and go as fast as possible, building each time. C. Just do the exact distance i need to do for the race and try and imporve my time? hugh

Hugh,
To answer your questons.  Most people do the crawl (freestyle) for the swim portion, there are some that will breast stroke, others side stroke, I have even heard of people doing the back stroke.  The biggest part of the swim is really getting through it.

In your training you should have sessons where you go at an easy pace, for as long as possible, and then other nights where you will go all out for parts of the workout.

Here is an example of my workouts for the past week.
Sat - 2000 yards easy swim - straight swim
Monday - 1200 Yards - Recovery 3 x 400
Wednesday - 1500 Yards - 300 WU then 6x50 golf MS 5x100 on 10 Seconds rest 4x50 kick then CD was 200 yards 50 pull, 50 Swim, 50 Pull, 50 Swim.

I have weeks where I am to swim at max effort, and others where I focus on form.

Chances are your form needs work.  There are some videos you can watch here on BT, I am not sure if they are open to free memberships, but if they are watch them.  It will show some drills that will help.  If nothing else watch the free stuff at total immersion's site.  That will give you some ideas that should help as well.  If I had to guess, I would guess you have your head too high inthe water, and you are dropping your hips.  That forces you to work harder.

I am sorry to hear you have been sick, I hope you recovery quickly.

2007-01-11 10:50 PM
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Is the TI program good? I watched the movies on the site and was really intrigued. If they are as good as advertised this would also be a great opportunity to involve my wife in my training. She's not interested in biking or running but likes to swim.

Thanks, Phil Howard
2007-01-12 6:16 AM
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My husband has done TI, both the video/cards and a live workshop. He really likes it, he is someone who, for some reason, sinks like a stone, so it's been good to help him with his swimming. I guess given what he's experienced, I'd recommend the videos and drill cards. I've been an avid swimmer for years, and it's helping my form as well.
2007-01-12 8:11 AM
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Phil,
I can't say how they are yet, since I am still waiting on getting my DVD and cards.  However, the little I have learned from watching the free clips online, have helped my form and sped me up some.

I am looking forward to getting everything to see how it helps me improve my swimming.  Some part of it has been just swimming more.  But I know that form is the most critical aspect in swimming.  Learning how to correctly position yourself in the water will help you get out of the swim faster, and with less effort.

2007-01-12 8:52 AM
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Odd question - what are all the rankings of veteran, extreme veteran, expert, etc. and all the stars? What do they stand for?


2007-01-12 9:03 AM
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Phil,
Swimming is probably the sport where technique can make the biggest difference. I used to a rock in the pool and my 25's averaged 45-60 seconds, but when I got a coach who focused on my swimming, my times dropped to around 35 seconds per 25 just based on working on my technique. Swimming with stronger and better swimmers will help alot, but so will time in the water. A few tips on swimming that helped me are:
1. Try to stay on your side during most of the swimming. You should be rolling from side to side when swimming, as to reduce the amount of body going through the water.
2. Try become efficient with your kick and not over kick.
3. When reaching for your strokes, try and think and reach long, as to get the most power from each stroke.
4. To help with heavy legs/hips, try and look at your feet when swimming by pushing your head down.
5. If you can get a triathlete's snorkel such as http://triathletesports.com/detail.aspx?ID=3377.
It helps both with technique and increasing lung capacity.
6. Do LOTS of drills, they suck in the beginning, but eventually you will come to like them.
Train well,
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2007-01-12 10:01 AM
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These are all great swimming tips! Thanks everyone!

I'm just starting to get in the pool. Mainly easy swimming just to get used to being in the water again. The snorkel looks like a great option for me, mainly because I am getting mentally caught up on my breathing...worrying I'll swallow water, not getting enough air in, etc.

I don't know what everyone's training situation is, but at my local YMCA (in NJ) they offer adult freestyle instruction. It's 2 classes a week for 7 weeks at something like $60. The next round beings in Feb and I've told them about the triathlon and needing to work on my technique, etc, and they said it would be a great course because they break you up into your skill/competition level. For a newbie like myself, I'm looking forward to being in the pool with a person who can sort of coach me right then and there, since swimming is really the one aspect of the race I am the weakest at right off the bat.

I'm also curious about the DVD and the cards, so when they come keep me posted!

Good luck in training, everyone!
2007-01-12 10:06 AM
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Well, I just signed up for the Buffalo Olympic distance here in MN officially. I have imported this plan to work with for now. In a few weeks, I may change depending on how I feel.
7-10 Hour Winter Maintenance/Prep Training Plan - 20 Week
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TKDJen - 2007-01-12 9:52 AM Odd question - what are all the rankings of veteran, extreme veteran, expert, etc. and all the stars? What do they stand for?

The stars are for the post count you have.  When you hit 25 posts you will get a little green star, at 100 you get a pink, at 500 a different color... up to 5000 posts.

veteran... is related to post count... there is a page that tells about that.

http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/statistics/user-listing.asp

That might make more sense.

2007-01-14 10:36 AM
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How is everyone doing? Scott - I read your kids' race reports - they were fabulous! Looks like your daughter is taking after dad, posting all her stuff I sent her an inspires on her 2/day she did the other day.

My goals this week are focusing on my nutrition and injuries. I am icing my knee and hip every 3-4 hours for 15 minutes. I am also going to do a stretching routine every other day. Most of it is on howtostretch.com (their basic stretch workout) but I am also putting in some specific stretches I found for my hip and knee on some medical websites. I'm not going to do TKD class on Monday I think, and just concentrate on icing & stretching until Thursday. On Thursday I'll do class (modified) and see how it goes.

My nutrition goal has to do with eating fresh vegetables. Strange needed goal for a vegetarian to some, but you wouldn't believe how much junk food has no meat in it . I skipped two meals last week, so I'm going to continue working on that as well, then next week I'll try adding in a snack. I may also try riding/walking to work at least 4 days/week next week - the regular semester starts and teaching starts at 10, instead of 9 like it is this week! Since the girls have to be at school at 8:30, it makes walking/riding to work a bit more of a challenge.


2007-01-15 8:53 AM
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Well, I started my new training plan this morning with 1400 yds in the pool. It felt really good to be training again. How was everyone's weekend and how did the training go? My Wife is signed up for the Albert Lea triathlon on May 20th.
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2007-01-15 3:10 PM
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I was just reading another mentor's section, and it got me thinking.  There was someone that asked for help setting long term (late 2007, 2008) goals.

When you are setting goals, long or short term.  You should ask your self, "what am I willing to give up to make this goal a reality?"  Or to think about it another way, if your goal is breakfast, are you going to be the chicken or the pig?

You see when you sit down to a Denny's big slam breakfast, the chicken and the pig both got involved with making that meal.  The chicken was only involved in making the breakfast, the pig was COMMITTED to making that breakfast.  The chicken can give her egg, and not allow that to interfer with the rest of her day.  The pig can't just be involved, he/she has to be committed to making that bacon, ham or sausage.  No half measures, you can't just give a leg, it is all or nothing.

What I am trying to say, is when setting your goals, think about what you are asking yourself to do.  Are you willing to make the committment to meeting that goal?

2007-01-15 3:24 PM
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Jen,
I saw the inspires, I generally read her logs just to know what is being said and posted to her.  I am sure she enjoyed the inspires.  She works pretty hard, and gets pretty frustrated because her younger brother doesn't have to work that hard to be faster than she is at biking and running.  Now I think that will change shortly, but he has some pretty natural abilities.  She'll likely smoke him in the pool for a very long time.

Devin,
Looks like your wife will be racing the same weekend I am.  May 20 is my first tri for 2007.  So is your wife here on BT as well?  or is she just following your plans?

2007-01-15 5:44 PM
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She just races and does not train really. She is a very strong swimmer and biker, so she just trains for the run really.
2007-01-16 9:07 AM
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hmmmmm, I'm going to have to say chicken, and here's why. I love doing Tri's they keep me active and give me a goal to work for, but really I don't want my training to take anything but existing free time. Maybe one of these days in 20 some odd years when the kids are gone I'll sign up for an IM and give it the old bacon try, but till then it'll be eggs for me.


2007-01-16 9:42 AM
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Phil,
That is actually a pig of a different kind.  Tris are not a LIFE, don't get me wrong.  The GOALS we set for ourselves, that is the chicken or pig.  TRI-ING is just a part of our life.

When you set your goals, what are you willing to do to meet those goals?  That is the real question.  I could set a goal to complete a HIM this year, and I could meet that goal, but what cost would that require of me?  Time with family, time from my church, time from my kids... To set that goal forces me to think about what I am willing to do to make the goal.

That is the real message I am wanting to state.  Set your goals - but think about what those goals will require.  I can set a goal of running a 6 minute mile, but what will it require to get there?  I think I could do it, but am I WILLING to pay that price?  Everything we do requires a price, it might be money, time, sweat, blood, job, family or self.  When we set a goal that we want to hit, sometimes we expect our family to help pay that price.  That may not be a problem, but there are a LOT of wives and husbands that are not willing to pay the price we ask of them.  That requires us to reconsider our goals.

I don't know that what I am saying makes sense.  I am all about the balance.  I try to balance family and training and work... sometimes it goes better than others.
I try to work out my goals taking into consideration the overriding priorities.
1. God
2. Wife
3. Kids
4. Job
5. Tri-ing

There are conflicts, but I do my best to balance everything.  And so that you understand, many times to "serve" God means taking care of my kids for my wife.  Or going to work to help meet the financial needs of the family.

Scott



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Scott - That second post helps put things in perspective. I'll have to think about it and get back to you. Before I too was going for eggs, but now. . .
2007-01-16 11:40 AM
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Sorry for the confusion.  I knew what I was trying to say, but didn't get it right the first time.
2007-01-17 4:13 PM
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I posted this whole article on a couple of your Blogs, but I want to post this little part of it specially.  I am doing this because I think the stretching portion of our workouts tends to get short shifted.  Please understand, proper stretching and nutrition will save you an AWFUL LOT of possible pain and frustration later.  The majority of injuries come from moving into your workout without proper warm up.  The majority of soreness and aches from a hard workout come from improper cool down.

STRETCHIING:

Be sure to hold stretches for 10 to 20 seconds. DO NOT bounce when you stretch. All stretches should be held where you feel a stretch only. You should feel NO pain while stretching!! Most health clubs have posters of what stretches to do for what body parts. If you are unsure of any, please consult an exercise specialist at your local gym. You should rotate through each stretch at least twice. This part of your exercise regimen is as important as your strength or cardiovascular component.
 

Warm Up:

Take 5 minutes to jump on a cardiovascular machine/walk in place/etc. to get your body moving, blood flowing and muscles warmed up. We encourage warm ups to loosen muscles which will prevent any strains, sprains or tears.
 

Cool Down:

It is IMPORTANT to bring your heart rate back down after a workout. Be sure to walk around the gym, walk slowly on a treadmill, pedal slowly on a bike, and etc. 5 to 10 minutes after a workout. If you workout hard and then stop immediately with no cool down, this could promote blood pooling in the legs!! Be sure to keep moving SLOWLY after a workout until your HR (heart rate) is back down TO less than 100 bpm.

NUTRITION:

Here, I will give you one or two tips on nutrition a month. I am not a licensed Nutritionist, so please only use these as guidelines. I think they will be helpful where most of you are just starting out. If you require additional help, please contact a Nutritionist in your area.

Tip #1

Because you are going to be ‘upgrading’ your workout regimen by taking on cycling, your body is going to require more fuel to sustain your activity. The key is to choose the proper fuel. After all, you wouldn’t put diesel fuel in a car that requires unleaded, right??? So, let’s start by cleaning out the junk you have in your house. Go through your cupboards and refrigerator. Discard anything that is cram-packed with sugar, saturated fat or Trans fats. Re-stock those cabinets and that fridge with fruits, veggies, whole wheat breads and pastas and low fat protein options (lean beef, chicken, pork, etc.). Be sure you have something low fat and sweet so when you get a craving, there is something to have in the house so you don’t binge later. Just watch portion sizes. That is the key!!!

Tip#2

That brings me to nutrition tip #2 …portion sizes. This is where we tend to get ourselves in trouble. We are a society that is prone to SUPER-SIZING!!! When you cook dinner at home, start serving meals on smaller dishes as opposed to large dinner dishes. When going out…ask for a to go box when they bring out your dinner. As soon as your dinner is put down in front of you, load half of your meal into the to go box and just eat what is left on your plate. Save your ‘to go’ box for lunch the following day. That way, you will have purchased two meals for the price of one.


Be sure your portion sizes are about the size of a deck of cards. You don’t need any more than that when you’re eating protein or carbohydrates. You can always have a little extra in the fruit and vegetable department.



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Hello all,

Sorry for not being so active on here, i've been busy and i dont really have a job which allows me to check the site throughout the day. Training is going but slowly, i've been swimming a couple of times but i lack any motivation to run or bike for any length of distance, i enjoy lifting weights more?

Think i'll start a more strick program next week


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I too get really bored on the bike especially. For me, music is a lifesaver, or if I need to, timing my bike ride so it's the same time as a program I really want to watch. My husband has a trainer for his bike and he will order an action movie off Netflix and watch it for his 2 hour ride. Hope this helps!
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One thing that has helped me with my "sweet tooth" portions is my husband's 'refueling' snack - dark chocolate. He will buy one of the really big 8oz bars at target and break it into all the little squares, then he puts them all in freezer bag and puts them in the freezer. I find that when I am dying for some sweets, that one little bar of chocolate does it, because I have to "work it" a bit because it's frozen! Other than that, we try to bring NO cookies into the house. Our one exception is a box of fig newtons once every 2-3 months. We buy lots of dried fruit snacks or energy squares at our local natural food store. They help curb the sweet tooth as well! One last hint - we have pizza for dinner as a family every Friday night (family tradition). We buy 2 large pizzas for the 4 of us, but then we freeze all the leftovers immediately so DH and I aren't tempted by them, plus we get the next Friday's pizza for "free!"
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I am on my way to filling up my race ticket for 2007. Here is what I have so far:
February 4th
City of Lakes Loppet 35K freestyle/skate ski race

4/28/2007
Get In Gear 10K

June 3rd
Buffalo Olympic Triathlon

June 9th
Liberty 1/2 Ironman

I am using a 20wk HIM plan from BT, so I guess we will see how it goes. There are quite a few BT'ers from the Twin Cities here and we are planning on triing (J/K) to train together some of the time and I hope that will keep some of my motivation up.
Keep triing,
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Devon,
Sounds great, training with others is a great way to build friendships.  I have met a couple of folks from BT at various races.  I have like wise met one for OWS practice, it was a good time.

Looks like your race schedule is filling up.  I know I have several 5K races that are coming up in the next few months.  And I like wise have either 1 or 2 Half marathons in April and May.  I have not decided which way I am going with that.

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