SWBKRUN fast, furious, and closed (Page 20)

Good luck Kim, Tony, Sam, and Suzy!!!!  Hope I didn't miss anybody! 

Kim, I know you will rock Boston!  I'll definitely be cheering for you from Wisco.  You're a superstar!

No racing for me still.  Still recovering from yesterday's workouts!  Wednesday is my scheduled off-day on my new plan, so even though I just started back yesterday, I have today off already!  But that's okay, my shins are sore, so I'm wearing my compression sleeves all day!  Had Ryan massage my shins last night, and it was brutal.  Amazing what going back to running after 4 weeks off does to your shin splints!  Ha!

Also, on my swim yesterday, I'm sure I totally creeped out the guy I split a lane with.  I've split with him before, and he's just SOOO smooth, no splashes, not jerky at all like I feel I am.  On my rests, I just watch him and try to copy.  One day, I will build up the courage to ask him to critique me!  But 'til then, I'm just the weirdo!

What is the slowest finishing time that you would consider someone ran a marathon?   walking aid stations is fine bathroom breaks etc are fine....

chime in even if you haven't run one yet. 

i completed one marathon and walked a few miles with my buddy that hurt his knee.  i was 5:21 (i think)   so to answer my own question,  i say 5 hours.

thanks.

I'd say you could run/jog a 12:30 mile and certainly count it as 'running' a marathon.  So that would be a 5:30.   Most marathons seem to put a cap on official finishers at around 6 hours, about a 14:00 m/m.

Ya know, though, anyone out there for 26.2 miles that FINISHES gets credit in my book.

3 stand-alones done.... 3:59; 3:59; 4:06.   One more to go.....  Purposely not remembering my IM marathon times.

my question has nothing to do with who gets credit for what. 

5:30... thanks!

Good luck to everyone racing this week.  I know you will all do well.

Mike

So is your question about what overall pace that we consider running?  What is the break between running a walking a marathon?

edit - or is it more of a personal question of what we would consider a good time for ourselves?

Woot! Can't wait to hear the RR from the racing peeps this weekend and Kim's race on Monday!!

Not racing, but will be checking out Rage.  It was one race that I wanted to do, and I was going back and forth back and forth, and decided to drop it, and now I wish I registered. Whatever. :-) Next year!

Can you give me links?  I find that really scary...and I call that someone did it on purpose. 

I "did" a marathon last year in 4:37:37 and would never even hint that I ran it.   I was injured - ended up walking over 1/2 of it.  In my book if you run the 26.2 miles then you can say you ran a marathon, if you walk (other than aid stations) then I don't think you can honestly say you ran a marathon.  I can't/don't say I ran that one   

Just my .02

yes, pace works.  what pace would you consider running? 

For me? I say 6 hours. ;-)  Only because I did my half mary just under 3 hours. Mind you, I did walk/run the last 6 miles. If I have better fitness and better endurance, I'll consider doing a marathon. Right now, a marathon is not in the cards as I can't see myself running straight for 6 hours. The three hours that I did felt like I *did* a marathon, and it f'king hurt! :-)

Maybe I'll do a marathon before I turn 40. :-) Same reason why I can't see myself doing a Ironman.  No patience. :-P

Rant start - 

    I got very sick on Sunday evening (see my previous post...pages ago. Lol), and didn't get better until Monday morning.  I'm 99% back to normal, but just looking at food makes me sick to my stomach currently. 

   This morning, my fiance woke up at 7am (unusual), and said that he has a bad headache. Thought it was from the cleaning of the bathroom that I used for when I was sick.   An hour later, he came in and said that he started vomiting.  UGH!!

     Makes me think that it was a stomach virus, not food poisoning like I thought (since we were doing different things over the weekend, we both didn't have the same foods, so it couldn't be that).    He says that I was a lot worse than he is, so hopefully his is just a lot less. But still...

Rant over

So how's everyone else? :-)

Okay this brings up a point that I wanted to ask.  What would you consider that you "RAN" a marathon?  4:37 is decent, at least in my book! 

I know someone that "ran" a marathon, and it took her 9 hours to do.   She ran 4 miles, then walked the rest of it.  I asked her what was her longest training run prior doing the marathon (I thought she was injured, hence why the walking), she says, "3.4 miles".   Honey - I don't think you "RAN" a marathon. You did a marathon DISTANCE, but not run it like she proclaimed. 

I could go out right now and walk 26.2 miles if I wanted to...boom, I did a Marathon. I don't think so.

To me, a walk is about 15 min/mile so you've got to be faster than that.  I think around 12 min/mile gets you there which works out to about 5:15 based on your original question.

For me personally, I would want to go better than 9.5 min/mile to feel like I ran it.

We will see if I change my tune come October when I run my first

George

LOL - went to the pool today and didn't have a plan, just a thought on distance.  Got in the pool and my mind kept going back to Linda's ladder set so I did that!

The power of suggestion obviously works for me.

That went through our house 2 weekend ago.  Started with the youngest on Saturday morning.  Middle son got it Sunday afternoon (threw up in the neighbors kitchen - gah!!), I got it Sunday night into Monday morning.  My wife felt ill all day Monday but never threw up.  Was fast and powerful.  When I was puking at 3 am, my wife said it sounded like a tsunami in the bathroom!

Hope you guys shake it fast!

George

Curious why you are asking, Fatty? Does this have anything to do with your IM and nabbing a time where you feel like you RAN the marathon part? Or is there something else going on??? Just curious as to why you are curious!!

Good luck this weekend, racers!! So very excited to cheer ya on, and to hear all about Kim's adventures, from red-eye to race!!

Thanks guys for the well wishes!

John, your question depends so much upon each individual's fitness, conditioning and top end speed.  If Meb or Kara had to run at my pace, they'd be doing a run walk to not hurt themselves.  If I had to run at my pace from my 1999 marathon, I would have to do a run/walk.  So, in my mind it is all relative. 

If someone's fastest pace is a 16 minute mile and if you watch Biggest loser, some of those contestants are running as hard as they can for that distance, then they indeed have run the marathon.  I think even people who do the run/walk Galloway method, which is not just for aid stations, etc, are running the marathon.  I listened to one marathon blog, I think it was Chris Russell who does the RunRunLive podcast, he used the Galloway run walk and finished a marathon under 3:20! 

Thanks...says the guy who did a 4:59 ish

no.

edit. i'll feel good finishing an ironman under 17 hrs.  ;-)

Interesting question.  I consider myself to have run the Marine Corp marathon and yet I did make a potty stop, had to stop and stretch from a cramp, and walked at least 1.5 miles.   I ran it in 4:2X ( I was too beat to pay attention and I ran it under someone else's name (CWer of a friend) and I don't remember the name.)  But I also see HavinFun's perspective.  Def faster than a 15 min/mi pace.

Leave for a day and you're pages behind!!!!

Twin--you live in San Fran.  You'll probably finish the marathon and wonder how you missed the hills?  I think the hardest part for me was where they came in the race, LATE!  I swore I wouldn't walk the second time and I still walked HB hill.  You won't and you'll get your time! 

Sam--good luck on getting to the ice cream before Tony eats yours too....glad to hear your coach caved!   I still think your a sniff crazy.

Tony--probably not worth coming up with a strategy for that second race....it'll probably SNOW!

Christina--all past MG'ers are grandfathered, unless Fatty says so.....

Fatty--my first stand alone marathon was a 5:04 using a run a mile, walk a minute strategy....oh and includes waiting for my BFFs 3 bathroom breaks.  My legs definitely said I did a marathon.  I see it as very individual and based on fitness level at the time.  If I came in at 4:30+ now, I would consider it a bomb!

David--I am just getting back into stand alone running so each longer race is a test of my ability to hold right around threshold. Was able to do that for the 20K so feel a half should be very similar.  I'm so far off my PR times, I don't really even focus on a finish time...just run as hard as I can maintain for the distance.....and check the final time at the end.

Spanky--can you find a new fitter?  I have the same type of set up for my biking shoes that I use for my running....my issue is a little different, but I would have them video you so they can see how your knee and foot behave during a full pedal stroke.  Who wants to get healthy running only to fall apart on the bike??

I think I'm caught up!!!

about time you show up.  you're the cause of all my pent up anger and frustration!!!  did you know that if your ironman bike is 6:30 or greater you can't run the marathon. you know... like run the marathon. 

thanks everyone for your replies.  lots of great input from everyone.  and very interesting to read your thoughts!  and trev... its ok man.. you ran a marathon! at least in my book!!!! 

chirstina i have a picture somewhere of me taking a leak next to a chick taking a leak (i was there first) at about mile .25 of the MCM.  i'll have to find it.