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 2007-10-18 9:05 PM in reply to: #1014777 |
Champion  23360      Taser-World |  Subject: RE: Poison Apples Team Threadkaqphin - 2007-10-18 9:54 PM haha thats usually happening while Im in bed asleep so I miss it! But I think you have the makings of becoming one of them... watch out Ive heard its quite addictive! Easy solution - don't sleep.  But yeah. It would be SO easy for me to throw myself off the cliff and into the abyss of TAN. I'd love every moment of it. But I'd get even less done than I am now! And believe me, I'm not getting a whole lot done right now. (Sooner or later, I will need to focus on that "day job stuff" again.) This reminds me, I still haven't completed Gail's challenge (on Bumpers), where we're all supposed to out and talk to a "real person." Imagine that, she thinks some of us spend too much time online. (She even mentioned me by name!) Hm, she's probably right, actually..... LOL |
| 2007-10-18 9:10 PM in reply to: #1014515 |
Champion 23360 Taser-World | Subject: RE: Poison Apples Team Thread kns57 - 2007-10-18 6:15 PM And yeah, if it's your lunch time it's okay. but I guess it depends on your company. Actually, I meant that all of YOU caught me sneaking online to look at BT during lunch. (Kind of like an alcoholic sneaking drinks when he thinks no one is looking. It all goes back to that "addiction" idea.) Dee |
| 2007-10-18 9:14 PM in reply to: #1014787 |
Champion 26509 Sydney | Subject: RE: Poison Apples Team Thread D001 - 2007-10-19 12:05 PM kaqphin - 2007-10-18 9:54 PM Easy solution - don't sleep.
haha thats usually happening while Im in bed asleep so I miss it! But I think you have the makings of becoming one of them... watch out Ive heard its quite addictive! But yeah. It would be SO easy for me to throw myself off the cliff and into the abyss of TAN. I'd love every moment of it. But I'd get even less done than I am now! And believe me, I'm not getting a whole lot done right now. (Sooner or later, I will need to focus on that "day job stuff" again.) This reminds me, I still haven't completed Gail's challenge (on Bumpers), where we're all supposed to out and talk to a "real person." Imagine that, she thinks some of us spend too much time online. (She even mentioned me by name!) Hm, she's probably right, actually..... LOL A real person? i do that... If they ever block BT from work then I will not be on here so much I guess... but for now I just leave the page open and check in from time to time |
| 2007-10-18 9:26 PM in reply to: #984894 |
Veteran 131 Tampa, Florida | Subject: RE: Poison Apples Team Thread So I'm taking the day off, I'm a bit sore from the new running style. Definitely working my rear end more than ever....not that I'm complaining. Call me crazy, but I wouldn't be upset if my butt got a little less wide.....lol So, my story, huh? I guess I started lurking about 8 to 10 weeks ago. I joined a gym to lose some weight, tone up...blah, blah, blah. Then I went in for a physical and my doctor told me I was obese and needed to be on a low carb, low fat, low sodium caffeine free diet. I was not happy. Then the nurse took my blood pressure and informed me I was pre-hypertensive. I was just told I was fat!!! What did they expect? My mom and my sister lost quite a bit of weight over the last year through an interesting combination of fad dieting, curves, weight watchers, and diet pills but none of that crap is for me. I had to do something else. I like to eat, and when the choice is left up to me I usually eat well, so the problem I feel, was inactivity. I started strength training at a gym, with a trainer. He's a great guy and I enjoy my workouts with him, but I realized after a couple weeks that to acheive my goals(not his), I really needed to focus more on cardio and endurance than on strength training. That's when I started swimming again. Also, I have a couple friends at work who are avid riders, so I thought it would be kind of fun to take up a new sport. Then one day it hit me while I was in the pool. The guy in the lane next to me said he saw me upstairs on the treadmill and asked me if I was training for a triathlon. I laughed out loud, then he asked me for some pointers and we got to talking a bit. Later that night or maybe the next morning I just decided to start training. I used to swim competitively, when I was a lifeguard in high school and college. One of my bosses was an Ironman triathlon. She really taught me how to swim, even though when I met her, I could already swim(so I thought...). I wish I could track her down just to tell her thanks; she still inspires me. The thing keeping me from doing triathlons back then was the run. A few years ago I had a roommate in Phoenix who was a runner and before meeting her, I had never run a whole mile in my whole life. By the time we parted ways, I was up to 7 miles. But that was a few years ago. So now I'm putting it all together now, almost starting from scratch. Even though my job is very demanding, I do have some free time I just never know when I'm going to get it, so solo sports are fantastic for this phase of my life. I really miss team sports, but running alone and swimming are not only good for my body, they're also priceless therapy for my mind and soul. I don't think about anything when I'm training, but I feel happy. I think most people on this site can relate to the feeling you get sometimes when you run....something like pride and humility at the same time, peace mixed with a warrior mentality...it's really strange and hard to describe, but nothing else give me that feeling. Of course, I'm not married and I don't have kids. Maybe some of you feel this way every night when you know your families are safely in bed, and you made it through another day, by the grace of God with no major disasters. So in just a couple months I've gone from couch potato to triathlete-in-training. I'm completely obsessed to the point of irritating my friends an coworkers, but I'm happy(and I've lost about 20 pounds). I'm so very glad that I found this fantastic group of people and I hope I get to meet you all someday! |
| 2007-10-18 9:52 PM in reply to: #984894 |
Elite 5316 Alturas, California | Subject: RE: Poison Apples Team Thread Hrm the closest building with an elevator... well none to the north for at least 450 miles, ... reno must have one south 200 miles and redding may have one west 150 miles, east... well I guess there is probably one in Omaha Nebraska about 1800 miles away. 17 mile bike tonight.. 45 min run tomorrow. then Sat should be fun 20 min run followed by 34 mile bike.. Ya physical science is fun, but most degrees that add to the ones I have already collected are in administration... and I am not in the mood to move into higher level admin at this time.. with 2 lawsuits bruing from folks who suffer from chronic entitelment issues. |
| 2007-10-19 12:53 AM in reply to: #984894 |
Elite 5316 Alturas, California | Subject: RE: Poison Apples Team Thread After looking through the 360 posts i found the link i had refered to on running form that has a set of vidios on how to run. www.active.com/video/acceleradevideo/running.htm See whatcha think. |
| 2007-10-19 1:57 AM in reply to: #1014801 |
Expert 973 Berkeley, Calif. | Subject: RE: Poison Apples Team Thread Great post, Jessica. I love your description of what happens when you run, that mix of pride and humility. Yes! I've never thought of it that way, but it's so true! Also: My mom and my sister lost quite a bit of weight over the last year through an interesting combination of fad dieting, curves, weight watchers, and diet pills but none of that crap is for me. I had to do something else. Weight Watchers I think is fine (I've never done it myself, but I do know a lot of people who have had success with it, and the theories seem solid), but everything else? I just don't get it. My parents constantly jumping around from diet to diet, and they do lose weight sometimes, but they never keep it off. I've lost roughly 50 pounds in the past year, and my mom is always asking about my "secret" or how my "diet" is going, no matter how many times I tell her it's no secret and I don't diet. I get that it's not easy for folks to eat healthy and exercise more, but honestly, that's what's worked for me. Edited by Fielding 2007-10-19 2:00 AM |
| 2007-10-19 6:33 AM in reply to: #984894 |
Veteran 131 Tampa, Florida | Subject: RE: Poison Apples Team Thread Erin, I didn't mean to imply that weight watchers was a bunch of crap. I know it's a healthy program and has done wonders for a lot of people, but the constant yo-yo and obsession with the latest get-skinny-quick approach just doesn't work for me. Good nutrition and a good exercise program is the only way for me. You are so right about it not being a secret and no diet thing, but a lot of people just don't want to hear it. Congrats on your weight loss! Doesn't it feel great? BTW, please let us know when your piece is finished. I'd love to read it. Jess |
| 2007-10-19 7:09 AM in reply to: #984894 |
MotoQueen 13195 | Subject: RE: Poison Apples Team Thread How I became a Triathlete, or an endurance athlete? It was a slow progression. I was a swimmer in High school and college. I was never the fastest, always doing the long swims. Running has always been tough for me. I used to try and run with my sister and dad on and off when I was young, but it never felt good. I used to ride bikes a lot as a kid, but never even knew that bike racing existed. After years of college, career choices, marriage (still going strong after 25 years) and kids (two wonderful kids, now adults), it was time to do something for myself. A friend went through weight loss surgery and started walking. Several of us started walking with her and we have done several ½ marathons together, walking that is. She decided to go for a full marathon, but I went in another direction and decided to do a century ride. Wow, that is when I learned how much fun being on the bike is. The turning point took place 22 months ago, when I was diagnosed with cancer. After battling the cancer (yes, I’m in remission) and turning 49, which meant I was in my 50th year, I decided that I needed something for me that I had always dreamed of, but thought was out of my reach. I had always wanted to do a triathlon. I found out that there is an event called “My First Triathlon” and it is held at Lake Lanier, which is just about 50 minutes from me. It is obviously geared towards the first timer allowing you to learn how an event takes place without the fear of being shown up by all the experienced triathletes. I then talked my husband (who is a non-swimmer) and my sister (who is in awesome shape) into doing this event with me. I had started by swimming, which is a great exercise to slowly build up your endurance after putting your body through the poisons of chemo and radiation, last fall. The doctor was impressed with how quickly I was getting my energy back and encouraged me to keep up the good work. I was able to start back walking with my friends. We all registered to do the More ½ marathon in New York City, so I was busy increasing my walking miles. My husband had done the century ride with me a couple of years ago, so he was really into the biking with me. And by some searching on the web on how to train for a triathlon, I came across this wonderful site call BeginnerTriathlete.com. After lurking on the site for a while, I eventually joined and was part of their mentor program. I have met some wonderful people through BT (though all online). I love the humor, smack, teasing and inspiring that goes on in BT. It is a wonderful support group. The rest is history. I have three triathlons under my belt. I am now working on going from walking to running, cause I am walking about as fast as I can now. Some of the weight that I have gained over the years from motherhood, wifehood, long work hours and illness is slowly beginning to come off. My goal is not the weight loss, but to become a healthy aerobically fit person. If I manage to do that, then I figure the weight will follow. My goals have increased. Now that I have three sprints under my belt (and I thought that would be enough), I now plan to do an Oly and then a HIM. Who knows, maybe I can even dream to do an IM when I’m 60. Edited by kns57 2007-10-19 7:12 AM |
| 2007-10-19 7:16 AM in reply to: #1014067 |
Veteran 122 Michigan | Subject: RE: Poison Apples Team Thread lyssa-gator - 2007-10-18 3:01 PM i joined i think in august too-i was looking for wetsuits, and i took a very odd route, but i ended up here hooray!! hey-this is OT-but anyone reading anything great?? i'm reading hunchback of notre dame for a book club thing, but looking for something to read on the side I joined in early 2006, I think, looking for training plans. I've gotten so much good information here! Lyssa, I just finished Pontoon, by Garrison Keillor-cute, light, funny-, and A Well-Trained Mind, Susan Wise-Bauer. Now, I'm re-reading The Read-Aloud Handbook, by Jim Trelease. (Can you tell what I'm getting ready to do? |
| 2007-10-19 11:07 AM in reply to: #984894 |
Master 2339 somewhere over the rainbow | Subject: RE: Poison Apples Team Thread sorry i was so gone yesterday! my power was out for a good chunk of it (pretty heavy storms) and i might lose power again today, so i'm on here real quick while i have it i LOVE reading about all of you, and where you're at and how you got there!! what would be awesome is if you all posted a pic of yourself too!! i feel like you guys are my friends, and yet........i have no idea what you look like!! i associate who you are with your avitar!! (which sadly makes dee a twinkie ) i wish my "story" was as inspiring as kns. beating cancer-you don't get much more inspiring than that! but here's where i'm coming from. i've always been "the fat one" in any group of friends i've ever had. not that i was like grotesquely huge or anything, just always big-ish but i've also always been somewhat athletic. i played varsity volley-ball in high school. i was on the track team (but i threw the javelin) when i turned 18 i had some hard times, and i lost a bunch of weight and started running. i can see NOW that i was flirting with an eating disorder, but-whatever. it didn't last. anyway. long story short. i got married and had some kids. my husband is a cop. he's kind of insecure though, and has a problem with me losing a lot of weight, and accomplishing things that he's never done, so there's been some resistance there, but not TONS. i've gone from a size 14 to a size 6. the thing that got me started was that my parents went out of town for their 43rd anniversary and we stayed at their house to watch their dog. they have a treadmill, so i woke up one morning and ran a mile. all out-fast as i could. and i had SUCH a feeling of accomplishment ALL day. so i got up the next morning and did it again! then after i went home, i though, well-that's over. i'm sure as heck not going to run outside where all my neighbors can watch me BOUNCING up the road. but i did it anyway. i set a little goal for myself of running a 5K without totally embarassing myself. but after like 2 months someone brought up this triathlon thing, and i seretly started thinking that just MAYBE i could try it, maybe next year. BUT the longer i ran (i really didn't train on the bike much, and i did some swimming, but the bulk of my training was running) the more i thought i MIGHT be able to pull it off THIS year. so, i did one on labor day, i didn't do great. there were only three people behind me (and i mean WAY behind me! they finished about 45 minutes after i did) but i DID it. and now i can only improve. so that's it. the short little story of fat girl-turned triathlete. i have three kids. 7, 3 and 10 months. i just turned 30 this last spring (which i think had a lot to do with this too) i related a little to steve's story of "what else IS there" you know? just everyday, i homeschool (because we too live out in the middle of nowhere) i cook, i clean, i change diapers, etc etc. we don't have cable or satelite tv. i'm a reader, i LOVE to read, but still, i just felt like i knew i could accomplish things, but that i just had to DO it. stop thinking about it, stop talking about it, and just DO it. i hope that my kids are paying attenting too, you know? i want them to lead active healthy lives, i want them to be inspired by ol' mom, that's kind of sappy, but there ya go i'm 30 now, i GET to be sappy if i feel like it i'll see if i have a pic of myself somewhere that's not totally hideous then i'll re-post, but i wanna "meet" you guys too. i wanna see some faces!!! |
| 2007-10-19 1:28 PM in reply to: #984894 |
MotoQueen 13195 | Subject: RE: Poison Apples Team Thread Here I am with my hubby at the start of the Atlanta 2-Day breast cancer walk on 9/29/07. He was part of the moto-crew and is sitting on his motorcycle. Oh, yeah, I'm also known as Kendra, not just kns57. Edited by kns57 2007-10-19 1:33 PM |
| 2007-10-19 1:37 PM in reply to: #984894 |
MotoQueen 13195 | Subject: RE: Poison Apples Team Thread Eveyones life is inspiring and awesome. I am just as inspired about Alyssa's weight loss as I am about Steve and how far he needs to travel to accomplish getting to so called "civilization", and Jessica being inspired to just lose some weight. I've met so many inspiring people in my life, I realize that we meet everyone for a reason, whether it be big or small, it is still important to how you turn out in your own life. On that note, RUN ON POISON APPLES! |
| 2007-10-19 1:40 PM in reply to: #1015977 |
Master 2339 somewhere over the rainbow | Subject: RE: Poison Apples Team Thread i don't know if it will work or not. but i have an animated sig thing that i had made right after my race. i'll try to post it, and see if it works. otherwise, i can't find any good photos just now  |
| 2007-10-19 2:20 PM in reply to: #984894 |
Expert 973 Berkeley, Calif. | Subject: RE: Poison Apples Team Thread Wow! You guys are incredible. I love reading everyone's stories (you're right, KNS, they're all inspiring, every one of them). I think it's especially neat how so many people seem to have this lifelong goal of doing a triathlon, but how it was something they kept a little secret, or kept to themselves, until they were kicked into action. It's so strange how you never know what that kick is going to be -- cancer, dog-sitting, who knows! But I love that you're all going after these goals. It's awesome. I actually had never considered doing a triathlon until last year. I've never cared much for swimming, or the water in general. But then last year a friend sent me an email about a local triathlon. She'd sent it as a joke, because at the time we'd both been training a lot for a strenuous backpacking trip. I was overweight and out of shape and worked my butt off for that hike, and when it was over I felt great. So when my friend sent the triathlon email, I knew she was joking and I laughed and wrote back, "Yeah, right, you're hilarious." But then I got to thinking, well, why not? So the seed was planted! It was, ironically, an injury that finally convinced me to really go for the triathlon. I'd been running several times a week and doing well, and then I went skiing and hurt my knee. I was really annoyed at having to take off a couple months -- I'd been making so much progress with my running and losing weight! -- so I decided to try out swimming, if only to keep up the momentum. I won't say I loved it (sorry, Dee), but over the next couple months I figured out I could do it all right, and next thing I knew I was signing up for my first triathlon. Which is in three weeks! Yikes! Oh, and a photo. Since I've never actually done a tri, I don't have any race photos. Instead, I give you a picture of me from a hike up Half Dome a few weeks ago.  |
| 2007-10-19 2:52 PM in reply to: #984894 |
Expert 1580 Ankeny, Iowa | Subject: RE: Poison Apples Team Thread Hey Everyone - I got on BT because a friend from another workout board told me about it and I came to visit and stayed for a while. Been on here for a little over a year. Trying to tri but need to learn to swim first but hoping to do 1/2 and full marathons and maybe a Du in the next season. Right now hubby is gone with the military a LOT (gone about 9 out of the last 12 months and one month he was home was because he had use or lose leave for 30 days). I am trying to keep everything else going and finish up grad school (2 this semester and then only 4 left - finish Sept. 08). A pic of me - lets see if this works. I have attached the spreadsheet as well as of 2:45pm today. Please have your mileage posted through Sunday by Monday so I can get it to the leaders. Stacie Attachments ---------------- Poison_Apples_Tracking_Sheet(1).xls (24KB - 11 downloads) |
If it doesn't - in my Album under Alaska Run for Women - I am # 2542. It was a 5 mile walk for Breast Cancer awareness in AK last summer. I was wanting to run it but I had almost got hit by a car the week before on a run so I had just had an MRI about 2 weeks before and off crutches so I walked with a girlfriend trying to lose some weight.| 2007-10-19 3:56 PM in reply to: #984894 |
MotoQueen 13195 | Subject: RE: Poison Apples Team Thread Looking at the spread sheet we all look good, but I got a funny feeling we are going to be changing our avatars. Unless Husker_tri_girl gets out there and runs 2 miles everyday between now and the endof the month, our goose is cooked.  |
| 2007-10-19 3:56 PM in reply to: #984894 |
Veteran 288 Owings, MD | Subject: RE: Poison Apples Team Thread Nice pics and stories. We have a great group here! About me (sorry for the length)! Competitive year-round swimmer as a kid. Met husband on the swim team, and he also was a triathlete. We've raised two swimmers, now 18 & 15. Son is a freshman in college and swims for the University of Maryland; daughter is a high school sophomore and swims for her high school and summer teams. The closest indoor pool is 45 mins. away from us, which means a decent workout takes about 4 hours out of my day = not condusive to being wife and mother with a full-time job. If I swim now, it's only about once a week and certainly not enough to keep me thin! I did two triathlons when I was a teenager with my swim team. The first time, I finished; the second time, I wrecked on the bike leg. Didn't really get on a bike for about 20 years after that. Early in our marriage, my husband and I would do triathlons for fun as a relay team (I would swim, a friend would cycle, and my husband would run). My husband got hurt and had knee and back surgeries a few years apart, so no more triathlons for him. He can still swim, but he can no longer do flip turns. I joined BT in January 2006. Can't remember how I found it, but I liked being able to log my workouts and see orange squares. I lurked about and read race reports, always thinking I could never do that because I did not like the thought of getting on a bike again. I started the Couch-to-Sprint workouts at least 5-6 times (without the cycling), but never got past the first few weeks. Work, kids, husband, house -- something would always get in the way. Last fall, I was the heaviest I had ever been and realized that my BMI was "obese." What made it worse was that my 14-year old daughter's BMI was also obese, and she was starting to have self-esteem issues when she started high school. She has always been very active, but she also tried to eat as much as her very skinny older brother did when she has my metabolism instead of his (not fair!). She actually cried when we went shopping for school clothes. That was it for me. I had to do something. How could I encourage her to take care of herself when I wasn't taking care of ME? A new women's only boot camp started close to my home, so I joined. It was 3 days a week from 5:30-6:30 am every day, so I couldn't use my normal excuses. Six months later, I had not lost a single pound, but my clothes felt better and I didn't huff and puff going up a flight of stairs. Since I wasn't losing weight at all, I joined Weight Watchers at work in April. I immediately started losing 2-3 lbs. per week. Finally! My daughter saw the changes in me, she read all my Weight Watchers materials, and started logging her food and drinking water as well. We were keeping each other on track at every meal and making better choices. Whenever I left the house for a workout, she would tell me to have fun or she would go with me. I signed up for a mini-tri in June and started training on the bike and running. I used my husband's bike since he could no longer ride. I decided that if I liked the mini-tri, I would sign up for the Iron Girl sprint tri in August. I absolutely LOVED the mini-tri. I smiled the entire time! Next thing I know, I'm doing the Couch-to-Sprint training again, but this time I did the entire program. I finished the Iron Girl tri with a smile on my face, and my husband and daughter were cheering me on. My daughter bragged to her friends that I was a triathlete, and we were both 30 lbs. lighter! I have found that what keeps me on track is the next goal, so I found another sprint tri in September. I registered and trained for that one as well, and I finished FIRST for Athenas. Granted, there were only 4 of us, but I really didn't care. I got hardware! My next goal is a 10K race in December. I'm in the 6th week of a 13-week run/walk program. My running is actually my worst leg, so my plan is to work on that during the winter, so this challenge was exactly what I needed. I'll try to post a few pics of me & my kids -- here goes nothing...wow, sorry one of them is SO BIG!!! Edited by klgray 2007-10-19 4:01 PM (Mike Grad pic2.jpg) (Mike Grad pic upload.jpg) (Mike and Kate.jpg) Attachments ---------------- Mike Grad pic2.jpg (3KB - 9 downloads) Mike Grad pic upload.jpg (36KB - 9 downloads) Mike and Kate.jpg (4KB - 8 downloads) |
| 2007-10-19 4:02 PM in reply to: #984894 |
MotoQueen 13195 | Subject: RE: Poison Apples Team Thread Lyssa, i love the animated sig. That is really cool. Only I see two kids, what happened to number 3? |
| 2007-10-19 4:07 PM in reply to: #984894 |
MotoQueen 13195 | Subject: RE: Poison Apples Team Thread Laurie, your son looks so happy to be graduating. Great pictures. Great story. Way to go and keep it up, girl. It goes to show that we are role models for our kids. |
| 2007-10-19 4:18 PM in reply to: #1016351 |
Veteran 288 Owings, MD | Subject: RE: Poison Apples Team Thread kns57 - 2007-10-19 5:07 PM Laurie, your son looks so happy to be graduating. Great pictures. Great story. Way to go and keep it up, girl. It goes to show that we are role models for our kids. Yes, he was sarcastically screaming "I LOVE YOU, MOMMY!!" -- gotta love teenagers. That's my favorite picture from his graduation, because it just makes me laugh. I loved your story, too. I can't imagine going through cancer, but you've triumphed over it! Lyssa, love your pics of the kids. Erin, you'll have a race picture soon enough! Great job everyone, keep on running! |
| 2007-10-19 4:41 PM in reply to: #984894 |
Master 2339 somewhere over the rainbow | Subject: RE: Poison Apples Team Thread |
| 2007-10-19 4:57 PM in reply to: #984894 |
MotoQueen 13195 | Subject: RE: Poison Apples Team Thread Beautiful Monkeys! |
| 2007-10-19 5:16 PM in reply to: #1014822 |
Champion 23360 Taser-World | Subject: RE: Poison Apples Team Thread Baowolf - 2007-10-18 10:52 PM Hrm the closest building with an elevator... well none to the north for at least 450 miles, ... reno must have one south 200 miles and redding may have one west 150 miles, east... well I guess there is probably one in Omaha Nebraska about 1800 miles away. Wow. You really ARE in the middle of no where. And here I was, whining that I'm 50 minutes away from a place with a good sporting goods store. |
| 2007-10-19 5:31 PM in reply to: #1015581 |
Champion 23360 Taser-World | Subject: RE: Poison Apples Team Thread lyssa-gator - 2007-10-19 12:07 PM i have no idea what you look like!! i associate who you are with your avitar!! (which sadly makes dee a twinkie ) Pppppfffffftttttttt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! When I joined BT, all of 2 months ago, I put up a nice avatar. It was a beach with white sand, and clear (and warm) turquoise water...... I joined the Sept Challenge. Then, my team lost the Sept Challenge. And now, I'm a Twinkie. Maybe I should borrow Karl's Twinkie avatar. (He was on another losing team.) You would have a VERY different opinion of me then. What do you think: http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp... |
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